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OfflineAnotherDimension
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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: Phishe]
    #7482944 - 10/03/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I know nothing about chemistry but is there a way you can extract the exact chemical in jimson weed that causes it's effects without extracting it's poisonous element or are they the same..?




You should read up on Erowid, they can give you all these answers.

But no, atropine and scopolamine are the active ingredients (and hyoscine and hyosciamine) which are poisonous in higher doses. They have many medical uses and are currently used all over in small measured doses. Atropine is what is dropped in your eyes to make them dilate at the eye doctor.

In fact, one of the terms for one of the plants, belladonna, translates to 'pretty girl'. This is because dilated eyes was considered beautiful and the girls of that period would use the juice from the plant to cause their eyes to dilate.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: AnotherDimension]
    #7483000 - 10/03/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just couldn't help but notice, instead of referring to it as Datura or any other names for it, they call it Jimsonweed, trying to allude to any kind of relation to marijuana, and remind people subconsciously that drugs are BAD, mkay? I really hate biased spins, that's all you fucking get on television.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: OpFoxdie]
    #7483050 - 10/03/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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In fact, one of the terms for one of the plants, belladonna, translates to 'pretty girl'. This is because dilated eyes was considered beautiful and the girls of that period would use the juice from the plant to cause their eyes to dilate.





It has also been known as "bright eye".

quote]I just couldn't help but notice, instead of referring to it as Datura or any other names for it, they call it Jimsonweed, trying to allude to any kind of relation to marijuana, and remind people subconsciously that drugs are BAD, mkay? I really hate biased spins, that's all you fucking get on television.





It's Jimson weed here plain and simple. It's a weed that grows everywhere. It stinks and everyone knows it's poison. The name has nothing to do with drugs to the average person here. Everyone knows to wash your hands after disposing of some. But yes, There are some stupid, bored, redneck, idiot kids that smoke it because they heard about it. Most of them have never heard the name "Datura".

The people here are not trying to allude to marijuana.

Datura is deadly. Sometimes in some hands drugs can be bad.

Marijuana can make people paranoid.

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I really hate biased spins, that's all you fucking get on television.




Me too. That's TV for ya though. Something has to pay for the commercials. One channel spins left, another right... I like the off button.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: OpFoxdie]
    #7483055 - 10/03/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Teo.. the only reason they give of 'evil' vibes is the fact that you fear in the first place... fear is the creator of all negative and evil energy... it's real in the sense that we create it, but non-real in the universal scheme, at least when it's fully understood... once fear (and yes, fear of death) is understood, and fully embraced (rather than giving into), there will no longer be an 'evil' in your universe, only natural and just actions, which occur for their own reasons; the perpetuation and evolution of experience itself. I know it sounds a lot easier than it is to overcome fear... in fact, it's probably the only ONE real obstacle in anyones path, since all negativity stems out of some sort of fear. If you seek to learn and grow, 'evil' must be embraced, and fear must be surmounted with trust. Most allies, including the mushrooms, cacti, and more recently synthetics, will typically teach you this at the right dosage level... Using them at recreational doses is a different story. You must kill yourself at least once to live, freely, at least, unless you're born with the knack. Killing yourself psychologically isn't always drug induced either... many things can cause this to happen and open people up. Fuck, you can do it with meditation if you please, and it's a lot less painful or harmful, just takes a far longer time (thus longer-lasting benefits).

To sum it up, I'll use a quote from an old Manson family movie...

Charlie holds a tab of acid up to a newcomer and asks:

"Are you ready to die??"

He replies, "Sure..."

"Then live forever!!!" exclaims Charlie.

Classic, and oh-so-true. Whether he actually said it or not, I could not tell, but it fits it's purpose.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: emeryg89]
    #7483155 - 10/03/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It's Jimson weed here plain and simple. It's a weed that grows everywhere. It stinks and everyone knows it's poison. The name has nothing to do with drugs to the average person here. Everyone knows to wash your hands after disposing of some. But yes, There are some stupid, bored, redneck, idiot kids that smoke it because they heard about it. Most of them have never heard the name "Datura".

The people here are not trying to allude to marijuana.




IDK, I guess I've never heard of it besides on forums, so I've only heard of it as Datura. I just got that vibe from hearing Jimsonweed 20 times that they were trying to enforce what they taught people when they were kids, drugs are bad, they will kill you.


P.S. That is, of course, not to say that Datura won't kill you; I explicitly advise against its use on some forums I frequent, but if somebody's that desperate, some fuckhead on a forum isn't going to change their mind.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: OpFoxdie]
    #7483235 - 10/03/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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trying to enforce what they taught people when they were kids, drugs are bad, they will kill you.





Just differences in initial exposures and perceptions.

That's the exact mindset except I was first taught it in regards to this plant is named Jimson Weed and that it was poison. The smell relieved any doubt.

I've been around it since I could crawl.

I later found out about it as a drug.

I don't think I ever did any but I do for sure know plenty that did.

Not for me.

At least not right now.

I'm pretty satisfied with most of my trips as it is to be honest. And I trip often. :smile:


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7483236 - 10/03/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

first off thats not all jimson they show jimson has small flowers, second thats why you dont abuse it like a drug addict. just cause that im gona finish off my potion of poppy,chamomile,and florida angels.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: peaceandlove]
    #7483643 - 10/04/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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peaceandlove said:
that's why you read about drugs before you do them.

other then that, this is propaganda






this guy is right


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: elflord420]
    #7483663 - 10/04/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The name “Jimson weed” is a contraction of “Jamestown weed”; many soldiers and settlers in Jamestown were poisoned after eating its leaves. The effects of jimsonweed on the central nervous system have been exploited medicinally, recreationally and criminally. Long ago in India and Russia, ground-up seeds were mixed with water and used by thieves to daze victims before robbing them. The herb causes sedation, lack of will, and amnesia, so that victims were cooperative without being asleep. The Thugs, who belonged to an ancient Indian religious organization that worshiped Kali, the goddess of destruction, used the same mixture to rob and murder people (LeStrange 1977). The generic name Datura comes from dhat, the Indian term for this poison. In Europe, thornapple seeds were well-known during the Renaissance as a poison (LeStrange 1977).

In ancient times, the priests of Apollo at Delphi ingested small doses of jimsomweed leaves in order to inspire them when making prophecies (LeStrange 1977).

In China, jimsomweed was prescribed for diseases of the feet, and for its sedative effects (LeStrange 1977). Jimsonweed has also been used in China for flatulence, hyperacidity, and night sweats caused by tuberculosis (Duke 1997). Asians also used the leaves as a painkiller, a decoction for skin problems, and a powder as an inhalant for respiratory problems. In India, seeds were prescribed to relieve epilepsy and heart disease (LeStrange 1977).The dried leaves have been used in cigarettes as a treatment for asthma and bronchial complaints (Duke 2001). Datura extracts have also been added to bronchial medications (LeStrange 1977). In Europe, the dried leaves were as a treatment for asthma and cough (the anticholinergics in thornapple would be expected to have a beneficial effect on asthma – see current medicinal uses). The treatment was occasionally fatal (LeStrange 1977).

Mexican Indians ingested a leaf decoction to relieve childbirth pains (later, scopolamine was used for this purpose – see current medicinal use).

In Europe, thornapple seeds and extracts were used to treat mania, seizures, melancholy, rheumatism, and madness (Lewis 1977). Thornapple was also prescribed as an anodyne (painkiller), an antispasmodic, and to treat seizures, delirium tremens, neuralgia, and rheumatism (LeStrange 1977).

In Britain, an ointment made of thornapple juice boiled in lard was used to treat inflammation and burns (LeStrange 1977).The juice from the fruit has been used in an effort to prevent hair loss, while the juice from the flowers was used for earache. A leaf poultice of jimsonweed leaves has been used to treat cancer. Costa Ricans gargle a concoction for sore throat (Duke 2001).




from http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/physiology/cam/urbanherbs/jimsonweed.htm


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: circularvortex]
    #7484112 - 10/04/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i have actually used it for ear ache myself and say that it works well


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7484263 - 10/04/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Mitchnast said:
though, i think it would be cute if they did a news show about the dangers of ignorance... and used videos of kids on datura. "look at these boys... they are so ignorant, they can't talk, their ignorance led them to eat jimsonweed and now they are passing around an imaginary joint in the police lockup, later, they will forget this happened and blame a plant for their ignorance. snowballing into full-blown morons.




I couldn't agree with you more. Every time I see something like this on television I can't help but think, "is it really the drug at fault or is it the ignorance of the people par-taking in dangerous activities..."

I also completely agree about the campaign that would encourage kids and adults alike to learn about drugs. Simply saying, "they're bad!" is not enough. It merely encourages ignorance about substances that are inevitably going to be consumed by therefore ignorant individuals. True unbiased drug education is absolutely necessary in the world that we currently live in. Psychoactive substances are more or less easily obtained and attempting to eradicate them with various methods such as propaganda and poor 'education' is NOT working.

It breaks my heart every time that the blame is placed on drugs or another inanimate object. People love to shift the blame from themselves onto something else. No one wants to take responsibility for their negligence or plain stupidity. Maybe it's not the inanimate object at fault, maybe it's the actual person(s)? Hmm...


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7484286 - 10/04/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've smoked it before, but didn't really have any effects. I have counted about 10-15 plants in my neighborhood alone and spot them in peoples' front yards all the time. A friend of mine was telling me that the active ingrident was mescaline and glad i did some research before even thinking about doing it. I don't think i would ever try that shit. I want my trips to be enjoyable.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: Ogla]
    #7486088 - 10/04/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It breaks my heart every time that the blame is placed on drugs or another inanimate object. People love to shift the blame from themselves onto something else. No one wants to take responsibility for their negligence or plain stupidity. Maybe it's not the inanimate object at fault, maybe it's the actual person(s)? Hmm...




That's an awesome point. People love to put the blame on other people, but when that's too farfetched, they blame something that can't fight back, rather than say "Wow, did I fuck up or what."


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: OpFoxdie]
    #7486683 - 10/04/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

pretty much what i was saying from the start.
Datura is harmless, it becomes dangeous when mixed with ignorance.
Many things are also made dangerous by addition of ignorance.


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Re: Why you shouldn't do Datura. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7486967 - 10/05/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

couldn't have put it better myself


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