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Another question about 'Bad Acid'
    #7480003 - 10/03/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

LSD is an ergot like compound active at very small doses. When it was synthesized, the chemist was not aware of its unprecedented potency, so he consumed a very small amount expecting very small effects, but took over two times an active dose. He had no idea a drug could be that potent.

If LSD is being synthesized commercially for the black market, is it too unreasonable to wonder if OTHER ergot like compounds are being synthesized and end up in the final product, potent enough to affect the subjective effects of the LSD? I know there has been some talk about the possilbe legitimacy of historical claims of 'bad acid', but does anyone really know or have any idea? I was just kind of curious.


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Re: Another question about 'Bad Acid' [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7480036 - 10/03/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i dont quite follow you....why would someone synthesize a different compound when they already have the ergot?

And as far as i know the migraine medication made from ergot is nowhere near as potent as lsd.


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Re: Another question about 'Bad Acid' [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7480215 - 10/03/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Think about it this way. Let's say you have some strong blotter laid at 100mcg crystal per hit. Suppose the crystal it was laid with was of questionable repute, and was only 70% pure. This means on every hit there is 70mcg of LSD and 30mcg of assorted impurities. Most likely the 30mcg will be trace amounts of various residues but even IF it was all one compound, very, VERY few impurities will be active at 30mcg. Hell, even LSD only gives threshold effects at that level.

So if you're only taking 1-2 hits (max 30-60mcg impurities), the answer is pretty much no, there is no such thing as "bad acid" (although you could certainly have weak acid).

That being said, if you're talking about taking several ten strips to the face, you could conceivably get up into the milligram range of impurities, and this might be enough to effect your trip.

Honestly though, I would imagine most of the people who talk about "bad acid" are either a) getting an RC b) assuming negative side effects caused by LSD are actually caused by "impurities" or c) full of shit.


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Re: Another question about 'Bad Acid' [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7480315 - 10/03/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

read the crystal to blotter thread by chinacat to clear up these misconceptions.


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Re: Another question about 'Bad Acid' [Re: skroomadoom]
    #7481706 - 10/03/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's what I mean... 30mcg of assorted impurites.

LSD wasn't thought to be that potent before it was discovered to be, so maybe other things in this realm of chemistry could have significant effects at drastically low dosages.

Really, just a thought, because I've noticed that the many times I have taken fungus, it always felt like the same basic trip. Set and setting of course had an effect, but I could tell it is the same chemical (or same few chemicals) each time. Same with any plant of that sort. Cactus always feels just like cactus, DMT just like DMT.

Acid feels like an entirely different drug sometimes. Of course, this could just be the complexity of a mental state that is completely new to our species.

I don't like just accepting the 'acid is just acid no matter what' argument, because we really don't know. There could very well be hallucinogens or slightly active impurities more potent than acid that we know nothing about.


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Re: Another question about 'Bad Acid' [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7481715 - 10/03/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Given that LSD has probably be studied more than any of the other chemicals you've mentioned. I'd assume that if there was something else active in that low range there would have been quiet a lot of research into that as well.


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