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Is my coir to wet???
    #7478792 - 10/02/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok I had a few PF cakes that I spawned to coir. I spawned at a 1 to 3 ratio. Everything seemed to be working pretty well until around 60% colonization. Everything just seemed to be getting to wet. The substrate was shrinking and all the water that kept evaporating would bead off the top of the container, and then fall back on top of the substrate. That was fine and all when it was just straight coir because it just soaked it back up. But as more mycelium grew on the top the water would just sit on top of the mycelium. So needless to say at about 95% colonization I got some yellow crap growing and some strange slime that looks exactly like water until you touch it.


So im wondering what I did wrong here. I pasteurized the coir which did have a little too much water in it, but I just squeeze the hell out of it and then put it in the next container to mix with the crumbled cake. So should I have let the coir drain more or something or should I have not put it in my incubator. I’m using a TIT that stays around 80.

I don’t know, but I can’t stop evaporation and I sure as hell cant squeeze any more water out so what should I do....

Thanks for any input.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7479356 - 10/02/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

...soon after that yellow crap comes trich.
just my experience.

in fact, due to everything you've mentioned, is the reason i went back to poo.
coir was just too hard to get the perfect moisture content, and even when it was right...it'd be messed up within a week due to condensation.

as for what you did wrong? nothing that i can tell.
ive even purposely made the coir/coffee mix extremely dry to compensate for it, and it too condensated to max saturation within days.

chances are, if you remove the foil or whatever, drain it, then recover it...it might help out considerably. beyond that, i dunno what else there is to do.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: dysphoria]
    #7479946 - 10/03/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Damn it, coir is so much easier to get my hands on so it would be nice if i could get this shit to work. I also have a smaller grow with cow poo which doesn't seem to be having a problem at all with condensation. Has anyone else figured out what to do about this problem with coir. Maybe mix in like 40% verm? Or just throw a dry layer of verm on top while it colonizes so when it drips back down on the substrate the verm would soak it up. Not sure how you would tell when its fully colonized though.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7480108 - 10/03/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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or should I have not put it in my incubator. I’m using a TIT that stays around 80.




Bingo. Bulk substrates produce a LOT of heat during colonization and should always be colonized at room temperature. The temperature differential caused all the condensation, which also leached the moisture out of your substrate.
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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7480152 - 10/03/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hot damn, i knew someone had to know the answer. Thats an answer i can live with to since it frees up a lot of space in my TIT. Thanks a lot man.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7480408 - 10/03/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't see the point in an incubation chamber unless your living environment does not stay at 70(F) or higher... I keep my house around 72-75(F) with the heat and central air and it's just dandy temps for incubating our "tropical" species.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7480952 - 10/03/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

All I can say is that I am a big fan of coir.  All I did was hydrate it with the hottest water possible from the tap, exactly as the package told me to.  I then added and mixed in some coffee grounds. After it cooled I mixed it with spawn and into tupperware type trays covered with foil it went.  No pasteurizing/sterilizing, nada.  There was not one visible contaminant and the mycelium ripped through the coir.  It is fruiting right now.  I am still amazed how easy it was, and I will never use anything else unless someone sends it to me already pasteurized and free! :uptosomething:


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: Seengs]
    #7481073 - 10/03/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well if i had the luxury of central air i wouldn't mind giving up the TIT. But in the summers i have a window unit ac that i cant keep on when im home so my room is a furnace when i first walk in. And in the winter i have a electric heater since the people in my house are penny pinching fucks and keep the heat all the way down if not off.

So really it would be nice to not use an incubator but my room temperatures fluctuate so much that i have to use incubators, and i had to make a water cool FC for the summers.

Maybe the next house will be better.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7489523 - 10/05/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

RR should bulk substrates be kept at room temp and not go in the incubator while colonizing even if room temp is at 50F? sorry to ask.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: firefairy323]
    #7490093 - 10/05/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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firefairy323 said:
soulsizzle :wink: should bulk substrates be kept at room temp and not go in the incubator while colonizing even if room temp is at 50F? sorry to ask.




When somebody says "room temperature," they are referring to the temperature that most humans are most comfortable at.  This range is generally accepted to be 68ºF to 74.3ºF.  With that said, 50ºF is way too cold.  If heating the room closer to 70º is not an option, then some sort of incubator is order.  I would shoot for 70º and not much higher.


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Re: Is my coir to wet??? [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7491617 - 10/06/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thanks soulsizzle.


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