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DieCommie


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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: bukkake]
#7478874 - 10/02/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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bukkake said: Two elementary language courses aren't going to make anyone walk out and be able to assimilate into Mexico. Even if you don't understand it people still usually pass (B, C) with effort. The same is true for math.
Exactly. The point of making non-maths people take math and non-language people to take language is not to make them proficient in the subject so they can use it. Its to force them to confront a subject they do not take to naturally and thereby acquire new methods of learning and thought. The more I think about it, the more I am convincing myself (uh-oh )... basic language and basic algebra should be required for any liberal arts degree.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: bukkake]
#7478880 - 10/02/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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bukkake said: Two elementary language courses aren't going to make anyone walk out and be able to assimilate into Mexico. Even if you don't understand it people still usually pass (B, C) with effort. The same is true for math.
The same is true of anything. Shit, a little bit of effort should get an A every time. The thing is I find both of them extremely frustrating and annoying.
As to downloading Rosetta Stone or something similar: It's not about the difficulty, it's about the desire. As is the case for everything in life.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: jewunit]
#7478893 - 10/02/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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bukkake said: Two elementary language courses aren't going to make anyone walk out and be able to assimilate into Mexico. Even if you don't understand it people still usually pass (B, C) with effort. The same is true for math.
The same is true of anything. Shit, a little bit of effort should get an A every time. The thing is I find both of them extremely frustrating and annoying.
As to downloading Rosetta Stone or something similar: It's not about the difficulty, it's about the desire. As is the case for everything in life.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: mikeytro]
#7478904 - 10/02/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Public universities tend to have a lot of general education course requirements. Taking non-essential (for your degree) courses in private schools isn't as common, which is why it seems like many of the people I know at public universities take more than four years to graduate, because of all the bullshit prereqs that they have to take. But yeah, I had to take three French classes, it sucked. Summer school is your friend when you need to take the sort of classes that you're not strong in.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: forbiddendonut]
#7478910 - 10/02/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd prefer just to drop out.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: forbiddendonut]
#7478919 - 10/02/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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my sister goes to a private school (depaul) and she had to take 2 semesters of a language but she definitely had wayyy less prereqs than I do I feel like you pseudo pay for your grades in those kinda schools
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: mikeytro]
#7478937 - 10/02/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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In california you actually have to take 2 years of foreign language to get into any public college. Then to get your college degree you need more foreign language. Its pretty bullshit
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: aDoS]
#7478946 - 10/02/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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same in Illinois...had to take 2 years of Italian in highschool and now I decided to take Spanish because I didnt learn any Italian and its more practical yet I constantly combine the languages into incoherent nonsense
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: mikeytro]
#7478972 - 10/02/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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mikeytro said: I think its bullshit that its mandatory for a person to take 2 semesters of a language to get their degree
I think its bullshit that dumbass Americans are too lazy to learn a second language when the rest of the world's inhabitants generally speak 2 or 3 languages.
go to europe, they speak everything at age 5.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: mikeytro]
#7478978 - 10/02/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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In New York you have to take a language in high school. We were also told if you took 4 years and did well enough on the regents you wouldn't have to take any in college. Then all my friends who went to a SUNY school found out that wasn't true. Good thing, I woulda been fucking pissed, I aced that damn test.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: wps]
#7478984 - 10/02/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said:I think its bullshit that dumbass Americans are too lazy to learn a second language when the rest of the world's inhabitants generally speak 2 or 3 languages.
go to europe, they speak everything at age 5.
Thats blatantly not true. Most people in the world do not speak 2 or 3 languages.
And why is europe somehow the example we must look up too?
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: wps]
#7478992 - 10/02/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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its my prerogative and if you read what I said, I stated that they should teach children when they were young because its 100x easier and that I went to europe stating that I could always find someone who spoke english
I really dont feel like learning a new language at the age of 20 + with english you can get by in a lot of places in the world with it no real reason
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: DieCommie]
#7478993 - 10/02/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably because he's European. Everyone seems to have some fucking annoying concept that they must think and prove that their country is the tits and better than everyone else's. I don't see why it matters, you didn't fucking choose to get born there.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: wps]
#7479066 - 10/02/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: I think its bullshit that dumbass Americans are too lazy to learn a second language when the rest of the world's inhabitants generally speak 2 or 3 languages.
Man...they all just need to learn English. I'm too fucking lazy to try to decipher jibberish.
P.S. Nice Dead Kennedys reference with your nickname.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: jewunit]
#7479159 - 10/02/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Probably because he's European. Everyone seems to have some fucking annoying concept that they must think and prove that their country is the tits and better than everyone else's. I don't see why it matters, you didn't fucking choose to get born there.
no, actually I'm American and I think my country sucks balls.
and I think that at least in Europe they respect other people's cultures.
unlike here, where even in the most liberal of all venues you see a bunch of hillbilly retards saying:
"Ah thank ever-one shud speak anglish cuz Ah'm too dumb fo them fancy book lurnins"
yeah fuck everyone else's culture, America is all that matters.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: wps]
#7479169 - 10/02/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You honestly think there aren't tons and tons of people like that in every nation?
I'm going to end my side of the argument there, it really doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: wps]
#7479305 - 10/02/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: yeah fuck everyone else's culture, America is all that matters.

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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7479370 - 10/02/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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last time i was in europe i was very impressed, it seemed like every other person immediately knew i was a foreigner and dropped right into english. i surprised them back and spoke some german and french though 
here's my 2 cents; college is where you stop taking classes you don't want to take - that shit should end in high school. no one cares about being well rounded anymore so they may as well not force people to pay for shit they don't care about and will likely forget anyways [2 semesters of language classes is usually forgotten pretty quickly]. with that said, i love learning other languages - it's a good way to tell people you respect/admire their culture [which is only good if you really do]. I always thought if I was in another country and couldn't speak the language, my chances of banging a foreign girl were slim to none, but if I knew SOME of the language, then the possiblitiy of hittin some foreign pussy has definitely improved
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7479376 - 10/02/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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plus...european girls are just fuckin hot.
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Re: taking a language to get my undergrad [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7479812 - 10/03/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: And why is europe somehow the example we must look up too?
Europe has better everything. Better education, social norms, health care, eating habits, alcohol, women.
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college is where you stop taking classes you don't want to take - that shit should end in high school. no one cares about being well rounded anymore so they may as well not force people to pay for shit they don't care about and will likely forget anyways [2 semesters of language classes is usually forgotten pretty quickly].
I think it's supposed to make it tougher to get a Bachelor's degree. It's already easy enough to do so, but if there wasn't some hint of difficulty and all you had to take were classes you enjoy, every asshole in America would do it. Two semesters of a language is going to be forgotten but you should still be able to remember the basics.
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