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shakercee
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Cherk]
#7480502 - 10/03/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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you should center god where your spinal cord meets the brain and explode like a million orgasms until you're glorly is enough to start the big bang
You are talking kundalini, right. I have read quite a interesting articles on that. Some point out that you would need safeguards, otherwise you might experience the big crunch
-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Cherk
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don't you ever go to sleep and dream irritating things like your friend holding a box and trying to tell you something very important about it, saying hey "its all in this box, this box is what you want" and you understand but you won't fool yourself into thinking that whats around the box and inside the box and in your dream and whats out in the world has anything to do with why your friend is showing you the box because you're so pure and ignorant and full of trust and love...so you accept being irritated and wake up thanking god for letting you do your killing while you sleep?
your eyes are gods eyes!
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Cherk
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: shakercee]
#7480517 - 10/03/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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safeguards against what? the glory is infinite some say you can't glorify god, but Im sure gonna die tryin
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MushroomTrip
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Cherk]
#7480521 - 10/03/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're probably talking about the placebo effect.
And you can't be ignorant and full of love in the same time, they are conflicting terms.
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Cherk
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i think a suicide bomber is ignorant and full of love isn't communication for destroying my subjective view of objectivity? I can't blow forrests down alone
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shakercee
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Cherk]
#7480546 - 10/03/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think a suicide bomber is ignorant and full of love
That's the problem with God lovers; you lose the grasp on reality.
-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Cracka_X
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Icelander]
#7480559 - 10/03/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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what a redundant topic
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Icelander
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Grok]
#7480643 - 10/03/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't referring to you in-particular but if it seems to apply to you then it was also directed at you. Not personally though.
And like everyone else I am making my best guess. I certainly don't know what the "truth" is. But of course I will push my position to see if it holds water in debate. This is one of my main testing grounds for new ideas and behaviors for me. And of course it's best if I do all this to grow and develop myself which I do (along with other things).
In my personal study of myself and others death anxiety is subtle and likes to disguise itself as many other things. The idea being that we don't really want to think about death and so we distract and comfort ourselves. But it's just a theory and may not be true in all cases. Still I believe that death is the prime mover in our lives and the fact that we make laws forcing people to wear seat belts shows both sides of the spectrum of those that don't want anyone to die and those that don't believe they can die. Why the fuck would someone need to force you into wearing a seat belt?
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MushroomTrip
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Cherk]
#7480722 - 10/03/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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cherokee said: i think a suicide bomber is ignorant and full of love isn't communication for destroying my subjective view of objectivity? I can't blow forrests down alone
No, the suicide bomber is full of shit, delusion, fear and yes... ignorance. All of those make him find comfort in the idea that he's fighting for love and "good".
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Icelander
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Yosefxp
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Icelander]
#7481889 - 10/03/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well we can sit here and argue the finer details of behaviour all we like but the fact of the matter is that every single thing we do (this includes public events like behaviour, speech and private events like thoughts and emotions) are shaped up and under control of our environment and genetics and neither of these things could possible be considered out of the realm of a god. (which was the original argument)
So you can re-define 'free-will' all you like but as I said before, it is not some magical force that cannot be predicted and thus it's completely possible to predict and control whatever you define 'free-will' to be.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Yosefxp]
#7481992 - 10/03/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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And I'm gonna have to ask again: which god?
Other that that, I'm going to have to ask you to reformulate your idea because it sounds kind of ambiguous.
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Grok
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Icelander]
#7483410 - 10/04/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Why the fuck would someone need to force you into wearing a seat belt?
Culturally speaking, we are supposed to abhor the idea of our lives ending and take every every practical and often impractical step to ensure that this doesn't happen unexpectedly. To say that death is something to be unafraid of is an utter mockery of the manner in which 'we' conduct our lives.
As to the seatbelt issue, if I recall it's an economic in nature. Motorvehicle deaths are expensive and undoubtedly unpleasant for law enforcement and EMS to deal with. Enforcing the law can't cost that much, they gain revenue, prevent deaths (maybe?), and lower costs. But I agree, it is ridiculous. Just like motorcycle helmet laws. Same with any law that prohibits me from injecting cocaine. I wish they wouldn't push their cultural view of death on me but our laws tend to give personal freedom the backseat to whatever the ever-changing herd-mind has decided is right or wrong.
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stellar renegade
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MushroomTrip said: Other that that, I'm going to have to ask you to reformulate your idea because it sounds kind of ambiguous.
Are you saying determinism is ambiguous? A random decision-making process seems ambiguous to me. On what basis do people make choices? By means of some random force? I think this idealogy is based on seeing some factors but not seeing all. If someone makes a choice based on factors that you haven't seen, you tend to think the choice was random but really it was not, because there were reasons they had that you didn't know about.
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MushroomTrip
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I was referring at the way he expressed himself. Read more careful next time. Also the idea of free will is not based on random decision making. It happens when you see much more than one deterministic factors, all of them leading to different possible outcomes, and choosing one of them. Now tell me where did I say that determinism is ambiguous?
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stellar renegade
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You're right, I need to read more attentively. It wouldn't make sense for you to say, "I think I'm going to have to ask you to" if you're encouraging them to overhaul their worldview. hahah. Sorry!
About the rest, I was just discussing on another message board about determinism vs. free will and the idea I was hearing from the other guy is that free will is based on a random force. You don't know what the person is going to choose because one choice is just as likely as another.
Now, I consider this to be a practical outlook. When you're talking to someone you don't want to imply that they're just going to choose what they're going to choose regardless of anything else, because you're within the dynamic that's influencing their choice. And within that dynamic you very often do not know all that is going on and what somebody is going to choose. But I think after the fact you can see what factors went into it and what influenced them to make their final choice. You could very well be that missing link that causes them to make a good choice, and without your input they would not have chosen the better path.
Perhaps the problem is that many who believe in determinism try to make it seem as if it's only outside factors that determine a person's choice. That's not true at all. There are factors inside of a person, their private thoughts and feelings, which are helping it along and are utimately responsible for the deciding vote. But even though it is something within the person, it is still not random. My friend who I was talking to seemed to think that it was. Perhaps not and I may need to get clarification on that.
Anyway, I hope all that makes sense. If not I'll clarify in the morning maybe.
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MushroomTrip
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Well I don't know what your friend was taking about, but I was definitely not referring to random choice because there's obviously a contradiction between those two terms. In my opinion, free will requires one's awareness in making decisions, while making random choices is quite the opposite. People make random choices only when they don't know what they want, and without knowing what we want, there is no freedom.
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Yosefxp]
#7484380 - 10/04/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The realm of 'spirit' may also be a factor in this behavioral model. Perhaps we come through this to a measurement of the 'spiritual'
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Arp
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Perhaps the problem is that many who believe in determinism try to make it seem as if it's only outside factors that determine a person's choice. That's not true at all. There are factors inside of a person, their private thoughts and feelings, which are helping it along and are utimately responsible for the deciding vote. But even though it is something within the person, it is still not random. My friend who I was talking to seemed to think that it was. Perhaps not and I may need to get clarification on that.
What if you look at it as a whole. What's inside is connected to what is outside. You're not forced nor are you forcing. Everything is grooving
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stellar renegade
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Re: "God the Creator" [Re: Arp]
#7485054 - 10/04/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Arp said: What if you look at it as a whole. What's inside is connected to what is outside. You're not forced nor are you forcing. Everything is grooving
I agree.
-------------------- "I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou "To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald
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