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YidakiMan
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Just trigger the humidifier to come on when the compressor comes on.
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Jeremy_Davis
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Re: Bulk Oyster Mushrooms [Re: YidakiMan]
#7447955 - 09/24/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually one of the things I would do when i was doing indoor projects, was run filtered cool air (house A/C run through a HEPA mixing box) and duct that under the center of the ceiling in the room. I modeled that after farms I'd visited. That kept the room cool. Also I had oscillating fans inside, but spores can be an issue unless you do some modification work. So that kept cool air circulating. Then I ran an active exhaust and humidifier opposite each other. So when the humidifier is on, the exhaust is off, humidity jumps. Then after 15 minutes or so, the exhaust can go back on. This allows the room and mushrooms to dry off a little, which they need. I was using a humidifier much like Agar's, well in effect, if not design, anyway. I was using two 5 disc humidifiers from www.mainlandmart.com and believe me it was fogged to the MAX when those two bad boys were running!
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Cryogenicz
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I also ran a humidifier with the 5 disc, it works pretty well, but I think that I'm going to try ultra fine misters.. My operation is down at the moment, for some evaluation... my room was in my barn, and I was getting some mold problems behind the plastic I put up. I also had a massive outbreak of flies which really ruined my last crop... I cannot stress how important it is to find every crack, those fucking flies will find a way in and fuck your bags UP.
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YidakiMan
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Re: Bulk Oyster Mushrooms [Re: Cryogenicz]
#7448417 - 09/24/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oysters are especially attractive to Sciarids... moreso than buttons from what I hear. Eggs hatch four days after laying, then they eat (and contaminate crop with blotch).
Bacillus th. isrealensis
http://www.gardensalive.com/product.asp?pn=1962&bhcd2=1190675312
Also kills mosquito larvae
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Jeremy_Davis
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Re: Bulk Oyster Mushrooms [Re: YidakiMan]
#7463757 - 09/28/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yidaki, that say to use as a soil drench weekly. What do you think about adding bacillus to substrate in that way? Wouldn't they compete?
Cryogenicz, I had the same problems with flies. I could handle everything else, but flies were always my problem too. I couldn't even conceive of exclusion though, the growing hut at ECHO is supposed to mimic developing nations, so we grow at atmospheric.
I've wondered at times if the enclosures themselves invite pests. Does it concentrate the mycelium smell and lead them right to the area. My point is, maybe a totally outdoors method would work better. Hanging the bags outdoors under shade cloth, and letting the air dilute the smells of the bags...I don't know...probably the best way is the reduction of flushes per bag. One or two max.
I'd just feel a bit bad creating all that waste growing one flush and throwing out the remaining substrate without a use for it. I like the way Garden City Fungi said they do it. one flush and out, but recycle and re-sterilize & reuse everything (Jack Johnson would be proud. Okay I'm rambling now, peace...
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YidakiMan
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Jeremy_Davis said: Yidaki, that say to use as a soil drench weekly. What do you think about adding bacillus to substrate in that way? Wouldn't they compete?
It wouldn't really matter in a modern farm because the crop is infected, you should get what you can and then destroy it.
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Cryogenicz, I had the same problems with flies. I could handle everything else, but flies were always my problem too. I couldn't even conceive of exclusion though, the growing hut at ECHO is supposed to mimic developing nations, so we grow at atmospheric.
Flies are really the most highly developed of all bugs. Flies don't really attack other flies, unless you are talking about flies parasitizing larvae of other flies. The predators of flies are amphibians, birds, bats and bacteria and fungi. Maybe the best biological controls are treefrogs inside and bird and bat houses outside.
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I've wondered at times if the enclosures themselves invite pests. Does it concentrate the mycelium smell and lead them right to the area. My point is, maybe a totally outdoors method would work better. Hanging the bags outdoors under shade cloth, and letting the air dilute the smells of the bags...I don't know...probably the best way is the reduction of flushes per bag. One or two max.
Oh yea absolutely. Monocropping always attracts pests. Even inside.
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I'd just feel a bit bad creating all that waste growing one flush and throwing out the remaining substrate without a use for it. I like the way Garden City Fungi said they do it. one flush and out, but recycle and re-sterilize & reuse everything (Jack Johnson would be proud. Okay I'm rambling now, peace...
I'm still working on that induction proof in order to prove him right. I think it's possible but an induction proof needs to be worked up for each total dry mass, lignin content, hemi and cellulose content. I could prove that each remains near constant for N>1, such that N=1 is the crop that used 100% fresh unrecycled substrate. I Need real world data for the contents of "spent" substrate and fresh substrate. I guarantee that the total composition of the mixture is less nutritious than fresh substrate, but that doesn't mean it isn't sustainable.
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Re: Bulk Oyster Mushrooms [Re: YidakiMan]
#7465047 - 09/28/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I Need real world data for the contents of "spent" substrate and fresh substrate
The best real world data is right in the forest. Oyster mushroooms seem to grow from trees that are not too far decomposed. Hericium by contrast grows on trees that died 20 or more years ago, and Reishi often grows from what looks like the ground, but is actually very decomposed wood below the soil line. Try using your fresh substrates to grow oysters, and then re-sterilize and give lion's mane and/or reishi a try. RR
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Jeremy_Davis
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Re: Bulk Oyster Mushrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7475112 - 10/01/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually now I'm thinking that I can easily go no waste by adding a biodigester to the operation. Dr. Anne Wilkes at the University of Florida is big into farms generating their own energy through biodigesters. She got me thinking too, and all that substrate can be used to generate needed energy, decreasing costs. Which I'm a fan of...
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