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haze1205
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sleepy grass dose? 2
#7474420 - 10/01/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone know how to dose sleepy grass?. I used search and couldnt find anything. Thanks
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7474479 - 10/01/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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to my knowledge it would not be the best thing to ingest.
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7474511 - 10/01/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, a couple seeds is a low dose say 7 or so. 30 would be nice. it clarifies the mind. but has worst vasoconstrictive effects than morning glories. Take some with salvia and then drink a strawberry nectar as it can cause headache and backache. Strange indeed. It was once used to sedate American Indian children.
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Cerebro] 1
#7474835 - 10/01/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to be extracting the lsa out of it and just wanted to know how much one dose was so i know how much to extract. I have also heard that i has more lsa than hbwr. So wouldnt it have to be a lot less than an ounce to get effects?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7474839 - 10/01/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oops. never mind about the ounce part. i thought you meant that the children would have to eat an ounce to be sedated. but you ment once
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7474906 - 10/01/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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crystal LSA can be rather sadating
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: thedudenj] 1
#7475239 - 10/01/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sleepy Grass seems to have a lot of potential if you ask me. LSA extraction?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Ogla] 1
#7475279 - 10/01/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey cerebro. Can you tell me how many sleepy grass seeds would be equal to about 100 morning glory seeds?
I'v heard that there is more lsa in the grass leaves than the seeds. Is this true?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7475886 - 10/01/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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more lsa than hbwr??? hmmmm I have like 8 ounces of it. do you have some too??? let me know if you try it
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: cpw1971] 1
#7476998 - 10/02/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont have any yet. But i have some seeds comming.
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7477308 - 10/02/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you know i extracted morning glories once and got a shit ton of crystals but none only .00001% of it was LSA and had little to no effect. when dealing with crystal LSA tho this isnt LSA 
that would be like 10 or 15 doses, i used same vial to house about 3-4 doses it was split between two and was intense. the amount was just enough to form a thin layer of crystal on a little girls pinky finger nail, pure lsa is really potent you only need .2mg or so 4mg of it everything says not to exceed 4mg. personally i extracted about 12 rivea seeds and 4 packs of morning glory. not alot at all but when crystal makes a huge differance. its a brown poweder just like erowid pic if i get i chance i will take a pic, cause thats only one to be found online
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: thedudenj] 1
#7478356 - 10/02/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i was planning on extracting the lsa and turning it into lsh.
Anyone know how close lsh visuals are to lsd?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7478378 - 10/02/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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How are you going to convert it to LSH?
Add peppermint oil?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205] 1
#7478520 - 10/02/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always wondered about sleepy grass. The grass doesnt have lsa within its leaves. The fungus that grows on the grass is what contains the lsa.
So you can have completely inactive sleepy grass.
erowid: But for horses, the sleepy grass predator, eating this grass is almost poison. A 150-pound man would become sedated by ingesting but one milligram of the alkaloid.
But a 1,200-pound horse eats 11 pounds of grass daily. And if that fresh grass consists of sleepy grass, that means consuming 47 milligrams of lysergic acid amide, or nearly six times the per-pound amount that sedates man. ---------------------------------------------------------
It always sounded ergot-like to me. So I never messed with it. I have not read up on it much, but my guess is that its quite the lysergic cocktail, like ergot.
As far as the lsa content goes, I guess it could be used as a psychedelic if you did a really nice extract. I just would rather use HBWR, so I never cared to check it out.
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: yageman] 1
#7478669 - 10/02/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSA is sadating tho my friend fell asleep rather quickly i would assume btw doing a A/B extraction would turn it into LSH or at least some of it. i really suggest more people do it and stop being afraid of other chemicals its really worth it.
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: thedudenj] 1
#7478928 - 10/02/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shit, i'll try anything. Eat a little and see if theres any effects. Its not like you can overdose, can you? Anybody offering seeds?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Ogla] 1
#7478933 - 10/02/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
losfreddy said: Shit, i'll try anything. Eat a little and see if theres any effects. Its not like you can overdose, can you? Anybody offering seeds?
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Psy Baba] 1
#7479807 - 10/03/07 05:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dammit if youll try anything do a A/B so im not alone here with the people i shared with. like my friend with DXM extraction when he finally did it he was wow its like a differnt drug, and i said no its just pure and no bromine and more DXO
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: yageman] 1
#7479825 - 10/03/07 06:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yageman said: I always wondered about sleepy grass. The grass doesnt have lsa within its leaves. The fungus that grows on the grass is what contains the lsa.
So you can have completely inactive sleepy grass.
erowid: But for horses, the sleepy grass predator, eating this grass is almost poison. A 150-pound man would become sedated by ingesting but one milligram of the alkaloid.
But a 1,200-pound horse eats 11 pounds of grass daily. And if that fresh grass consists of sleepy grass, that means consuming 47 milligrams of lysergic acid amide, or nearly six times the per-pound amount that sedates man. ---------------------------------------------------------
It always sounded ergot-like to me. So I never messed with it. I have not read up on it much, but my guess is that its quite the lysergic cocktail, like ergot.
As far as the lsa content goes, I guess it could be used as a psychedelic if you did a really nice extract. I just would rather use HBWR, so I never cared to check it out.
It is my understanding that the fungus is inside the grass and carries over into the seed??? It isn't the same as Ergot which grows on the outside of wheat grass or whatever. HBWR is on the bottom of the list of LSA containing plants for me. I am not into the toxins on the outside of them even if scraped off. Rivea Corymbosa is at the top of the list though
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: cpw1971] 1
#7480046 - 10/03/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rivea Corymbosa is really good but each is source is differnt and Rivea Corymbosa constrict my eyes for some reason
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: thedudenj]
#7485520 - 10/04/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes i was going to use peppermint oil.
So can ANYone tell me how close the visiuals of lsh are to lsd?????
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: thedudenj]
#7485890 - 10/04/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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bump
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: haze1205]
#7491855 - 10/06/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Couple more interesting facts about sleepy grass. it is bad 4 ya and causes ergotism
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Cerebro]
#7492015 - 10/06/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you thinking Rye grass and the Ergot fungus???
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: cpw1971]
#7495508 - 10/07/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, i don't think it is Ergot in Sleepy Grass. That would be too cool
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Ogla]
#7501931 - 10/09/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, it does contain ergoloid mesylates which are like LSD or LSA but I don't know which ones. Could be the good ones(isoergine, Lsa, lysergol, lysergic acid N-1-hydroxyethylamide,ergonovine, ergocornine, alpha-ergokryptine) or it could the the bad ergoloids(ergotamine, agroclavine, ergocristine, festuclavine penniclavine, elymoclavine, methylergometrine, ergotoxine, or ergovaline, ergovalinine).
It is said that the clavines are responsible for convulsive ergotism.
It does make you have strange mental affects. When I took it it felt like I was sleepy that is due not to the Lsa but another chemical in the grass called diacetone. I felt like my body was moving faster and more fluid. Mild CEV. Then sleep. Now I am awake there's a very distinct clarity of mind.
Effects: Painful Backache & headache, stomach cramps(yet no nausea or emesis), this stomach ache preceded the metal effects, 2 toned voice, paranoia, nervousness, excitement, visual distortions, vasoconstriction.
Note: The backache is due to alkaloids which having a depressant action on the spinal cord. Likely effecting pyschomotor function.
A synonym for Stipa robusta is Achnatherum robustum. Acremonium coenophialum contains ergine as well as ergovaline. (Porter, 1995) also with various clavine alkaloids such as chanoclavine, agroclavine and penniclavine(Lyons et al., 1986). An Acremonium sp. is known to induce an effect on horses eating Sleeypygrass, Stipa robusta, and this Acremonium sp. has been found to contain ergine, isoergine, ergonovine as well as 8-hydroxylysergic acid amide and chanoclavine(Petroski et al., 1992). The only described species of Acremonium which is known to infect the genus Stipa is A. chisosum which infects S. eminensS. robusta, S. lobata. Neotyphodium is a synonym of Acermonium. It is worth a shot.
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Cerebro]
#7535956 - 10/19/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It also contains some sort of tremorgenic 1-aminopyrrolizidines in it that are responsible for staggers in horses. they are found in Argyreia nervosa as well. One of them being loline. Could it be that there are similar substances in phalaris grass?


I drank a strawberry nectar to prevent the the nastier feeling side effects(like headache & backache) because strawberries contains salicylic acid which is like aspirin.
Edited by Cerebro (10/19/07 04:10 PM)
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Cerebro]
#7536457 - 10/19/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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so yeah thats cool to know but can you give some more details about your experience with it??? how much did you take? how was it prepared? what trippy effects other than backaches and headaches were there?? how long did it last??? where did you get the grass?? sounds like just the shit I want to stay away from if it causes backaches and headaches. spinal arthritis sucks
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Re: sleepy grass dose? [Re: Bolus Boy]
#7540232 - 10/20/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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need some more grass for testing???
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