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DimensionX
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Re: Over unity energy devices [Re: DimensionX]
#7476682 - 10/02/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now if that does end up being true, and its the greatest discovery ever made, ill be remember as the guy who after he read it made the stupid comment about magnets.
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Re: Over unity energy devices [Re: DimensionX]
#7476698 - 10/02/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: Does that mean we create a vacuum, then stick magnets inside it?
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Re: Over unity energy devices [Re: trendal]
#7476717 - 10/02/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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And what is your plan for putting matter into its lowest energy state, releasing said energy, and getting in return more energy then you used to put it into its lowest energy state
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Re: Over unity energy devices [Re: TheCow]
#7476724 - 10/02/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I had one, I'd be doing something other than posting about it 
and getting in return more energy then you used to put it into its lowest energy state
That's a little misleading...you might only use a fraction of the energy that you would get out of the process, but you have to put a certain amount of matter into it too. Matter is just a form of energy, "condensed" we could say, from an enormous amount of energy. E=mc^2.
So you wouldn't get more energy out than you put in, you would get something less than 100%.
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Re: Over unity energy devices [Re: trendal]
#7476816 - 10/02/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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and getting in return more energy then you used to put it into its lowest energy state
Any engine will always give you more energy than you put in...until you account for the energy represented by the fuel.
I'm proposing the same thing as any engine, except in this one the "fuel" is raw matter (probably individual atomic particles).
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Re: Over unity energy devices [Re: trendal]
#7477742 - 10/02/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough, I guess I misunderstood you and thought you were talking about putting matter into its ground state to get energy.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Yes folks, many believe a desktop device could produce more power than the entire universe.
Strawman.
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I was called many things publicly and privately when I 'predicted' Steorn's public demonstration in July 2007 would be a total failure(scientifically that is). How could I possibly be right, AGAIN? To date my record is 413 to 0.
Wikipedia:
Steorn Ltd. is a small privately held technology development company based in Dublin, Ireland.
The company drew the attention of the mainstream media in August 2006 by placing a full-page advertisement in The Economist, claiming to have developed a technology that produces "free, clean, and constant energy" and challenging the scientific community to review its claim.[2][a] In December 2006 the company announced that they had chosen a jury of scientists to test their claim.[3]
This is, in essence, a claim that the company has developed free energy technology, or a perpetual motion machine. Such technology would violate the fundamental laws of thermodynamics and the first law of thermodynamics in particular. To date, no evidence supporting the company's claim has been made available to the public.
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Note: not mine.
Author: oakthicket Time: Dec 4th 2006
The world has been mesmerized for centuries by those who claim fantastic devices that move perpetually or create free energy. Fortunes have been lost, reputations have been shattered, scam artists have been jailed or worse. Sincere scientists have been debunked. To date, there has been not one single, solitary over-unity device that worked.
Despite this overwhelming and one-sided history, there continue to be legions of folks that believe in the mythical Holy Grail of free energy.
This is my list of ‘believer’ types.
The Honest Facer:
This believer puts his faith in the integrity and honesty of the over-unity machine inventor. “Professor Y is such an educated and honest person. I’m 99% sure he has discovered something significant.” Hello… you can be honest, educated and wrong!
The Pseudo-Scientist:
This person uses technobabble to demonstrate the feasibility… nay… the certainty that over-unity is possible. Electron spin, electromagnetic flux and Fibonacci numbers are often cited to support over-unity.
The Conspiracy Nut:
The nut knows that over-unity has been around for a long time but has been suppressed by government, oil industry, OPEC, freemasons, scientific social clubs, Greenpeace, the Flat-Earth Society, George Bush, the Muppets, CIA, FBI, KGB, General Motors, Roman Catholic Church, Rolling Stones etc.
The Philosopher:
This enlightened individual is unburdened by the rigors of science and data. These concepts are just too mundane and plebian for the philosopher. Free energy exists because it should exist. If you can put one thousand angels on the head of a pin, then creating energy out of nothing is not difficult at all.
The Wishful Thinker:
This person’s belief is based on pure faith. They ‘want’ to believe in free energy. In their minds it exists. No science or data can knock this person from their unassailable position of certainty. The tumult of nay-sayers can never successfully challenge the true believer.
The Pot-Stirrer:
He or she doesn’t hold a strong opinion about free energy. They simply enjoy a good argument. Whether something is true or not is irrelevant, as long as the discussion is spirited. Heck, they will change their opinion 180 degrees if it results in continuing turmoil.
The Patent-Pender:
This person believes that any free-energy device with a patent, or promise of a patent must somehow be credible. It is of no concern to them that a patent means absolutely nothing in terms of viability. Furthermore, they are unconcerned that many countries explicitly prohibit patenting of free-energy devices.
The Academic:
This believer puts faith in the education of the free-energy device proponents. Even the slightest whiff of PhD or university connections will completely convince the Academic of the veracity of over-unity claims.
The Anti-Academic:
This believer uses the opposite approach to reach the same conclusion. Scientists are so conservative and stodgy that they will subvert any breakthrough technology such as a free-energy device. They are incapable of thinking beyond their limited sphere of known science. Technological breakthroughs in space, pharmaceuticals, information communication, computing and similar areas are mere anomalies in science’s basic fight to maintain the status quo.
The Venture Capitalist:
He or she is so convinced that the amount of money invested by the free-energy device proponent is directly related to the credibility of the claim. The Venture Capitalist believes that Rich Fool is an oxymoron. The rich person got rich because they knew what they were doing. They couldn’t possibly invest in a free-energy device that didn’t work.
The Wright Brother:
This person compares free-energy naysayers to historical non-believers of flight, the telephone, and space travel. By convoluted logic, deniers of free energy machines are relegated to the same trash heap as ignorant folks from bygone eras that weren’t bright enough to accept the possibility of technological change.
Which fluffernaut are you?
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OrgoneConclusion said: To date my record is 413 to 0.
You have already written off my BLT telepathy....?  Not even a half point.....????

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