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How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be?
    #7473196 - 10/01/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I always read people sayin stuff like "that Salvia trip was the scariest experience ever", yet I haven't really seen much about people gettin scarred from a bad Salvia trip the way people do from mushrooms, etc. Are there any negative long-term consequences for Salvia, in comparison with shrooms, lsd and other psychedelics (not includin cannabis, since it's waaaaay milder than all the others)? I am askin this because I kinda don't wanna do mushrooms (+ shrooms are sorta hard to find in my area), which is a long-lastin experience, but I have access to smokable Salvia extract, which although is very intense, only lasts a few mere minutes. I just don't wanna end up makin a thread about how much a bad Salvia experience messed me up, etc.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Killer Sausage]
    #7473262 - 10/01/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I would go to www.erowid.org and read lots of trip reports.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7473269 - 10/01/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Salvia is insane

I was definetly not prepared for how weird it would be. I smoked some out of a pipe and it didnt work at all then I took a huge bonghit to try to get it to work and...well yeah it definetly worked.

The whole universe was a small little space on the tip of my nose and I could easily travel to paris if I desired.

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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7473274 - 10/01/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm I just came across this:

Note: I have experienced some ongoing negative psychological effects due to this drug, so if you have a weak grasp on reality I wouldn’t suggest doing it. It has been almost four months since the described experience, but three times in those four months I have almost fallen back into the same trip. On none of these three occasions was I exposed to salvia. During one of them I had smoked absurd amounts of marijuana, and during another I was on shrooms. However, there was one time that I was completely sober and began feeling salvia-like effects: the unbearable body high and the feeling that this reality was fading rapidly. I offer no explanation because I don't know enough about it, but there's no mistaking the feeling of salvia. Just as acid has put many people in the crazy house, I suspect that this drug could do the same.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=35575

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Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: pornisfun2]
    #7473276 - 10/01/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive heard it can be bizzare.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473294 - 10/01/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it is a fucked up trip but even if you would end up having a bad trip it wouldnt last that long so it wouldnt be like a bad trip on cid


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473327 - 10/01/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i don't think you can really sort salvia in good and bad. They're all very intense experiences and all you can do is experience. there is no time to consider if you are having a good time or not, it's not important to the experience.

You are confronted with yourself, and everyone has parts of them they wish they didnt have, but you just have to learn to accept yourself, after that obstacle you are confronted with the frailty of reality.

I wouldn't say a single trip traumatised me. after a week or two of salvia binging though i pretty extremely lost grips with reality and thought life was just another salvia reality, and that i had to let go and move on so i could see the bigger picture again, seeing as my body insisted on holding me in this reality though i considered forcing it to let me go... as in kill myself.

but yeah entrusted a friend with my thoughts and he told me to just wait awhile and consider if this reality im experiencing now is so unbearable that i want to jump into the unknown. Without him i wouldn't be here right now...i wouldn't call it traumatising, its more sort of a fascination of the salvia experience that absorbs you.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ajdaak]
    #7473334 - 10/01/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i had 2 salvia trips, one was off the 2*extract, smoked a pure hit out of the bong
not too strong, but clearly noticeable
second one was off the 15* extract, also a pure bong hit
had complete ego-loss for 5 minutes
afterwards my whole body got very itchy, like if tons of small needles are picking on it, and i turned hot/cold/hot/cold
salvia is definitely NOT a very enjoyable psychedelic
it's quite interesting though, but nothing i would recommend to anyone
i guess, the risk of being traumatized is not too high, because of its short action (2-10 minutes)
however, as always, it totally depends on the person, doing it
but i guess, you'll be safe

i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens
i had 2 flashbacks, where i forgot who i am for about 5-10 seconds
a friend of mine did salvia some years ago, didn't have any effect
the next day, he forgot who he was and had to be brought to the hospital
also, salvia is not as well researched as lsd, mushrooms and the like
additionally, there is no "guinea-pig generation" like there is with lsd, not to mention mushrooms, whose use is almost as old as mankind itself


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
    #7473561 - 10/01/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I do not find it enjoyable like most psychedelics, it actually works different than any other mind altering chemical.

It can be quite interesting but also quite horrifying.

I'm pretty sure I was having a low level trip but it was still wayyy too weird. I mean it was like there werent any angles in the universe anymore. There was no structure to anything and the messed up thing was I felt there was a sort of truth to the salvia reality I was seeing.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: pornisfun2]
    #7474126 - 10/01/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I SAY VERY TRAMATIZING

I never believed all the stories how fucked up saliva was so me and my 4 buddies all went and got 2 bags each of 40X extract, filled the 2 bags into a bowl and hit it all in 1 big hit. The come up for me was about 5 seconds till peak, all I remember was the horrible taste cant even remember exhaling it. I then had no idea what was going on, ive never even been this lets call it LOST on massive shroom doses (tripped many times on 7 grams). Its like I was just instantly shot into another dimension. Everything had a trapped in a chilidhood nightmare feel to it (prolly bad explination, but cant explain it any other way)(and my friends said when I was walking around the house It seemed like I was sleep walking and talking made no sense at all, this is weird cause I slept walked as a chilid, but havent in prolly 15 years,im 20 now)I was so scared my brain had no clue what was going on. bluntely I was completly spun beyond imagination, It wasnt like shrooms nothing was really morphing, everything that existed before was no longer there I was seeing stuff I have never laid eyes on. I was left scared for the next few weeks, the strength of that shit still scares me today (the whole peak lasted over 14 minutes).

To all those people that say salvia is weak, grab a few bags of 40X and inhale it all in 1 bong hit.

BTW none of my friends would smoke theres after they had seen how fucked i was, i certainly wont use the shit again.

Sorry I cant go into much detail, its unexplainable for the most part. The comedown was cold and scary and I was hallucinating for about 15 mins after the peak, very crazy shit still, like an intense level 4 shroom trip (just the visual aspect of course)


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7474284 - 10/01/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sapphirecat's post summed the whole deal with salvia up pretty well imo.

It's not just the strength. It's the truthful feeling realness of the experiences that make it potentially a problem for some in the longer term.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7474309 - 10/01/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The most traumatizing thing about Salvia is that we know little to nothing about how it affects us...
Is it still classified as a Fantastican? WTF?
LOL....
Salvia, the big cosmic prank....
Thats how I feel about it....

The first time I tried it, I thought there was a huge mail order company out there that was posioning people...with salvia... mail orders...


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Fraggin]
    #7474807 - 10/01/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When I smoke a big hit of salvia I get this sensation that a big piece of plywood is tied to my back and Im on a clothes hanger being pushed forward on a clothes rack like the ones at a laundromat.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: PeterGriffin467]
    #7474905 - 10/01/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A friend of mine thought he was waiting for his death.
He can't explain it very well, but it freaked the shit out of him.
For a few minutes he really thought he was going to die, that him and everyone was just waiting in line to die. Must be rather traumatizing.

He didn't do salvia since, but he said he probably will... someday.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
    #7475147 - 10/01/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens





i'd have to agree with that aswell. about 4-6months after my binge i was walking down the road on a sunny day, and heard a voice whisper my name into my ear, that was it. but i was on a completely empty road, and the whisper was right up to my ear.

Also after that after acting as a guide for some friends who wanted to experience salvia, and having to lead by example a month later i was going back to my appartment and got such an overwhelming feeling that the female deity of salvia(or whatever you want to call her, the same one that whispered into my ear anyway) was in there in my room. I had promised in a conversation with salvia to not do it again, and broke that promise acting as a guide. the fear that i felt is inexplainable, i have died on salvia, and in the moments before death i learned to accept my faith- but this, i could not accept. I walked in, with my chest tightening, i opened the door and there was no one there.

i was relieved but i felt her presence watching me, as if giving me a warning. I'd just advise anyone thinking of trying it to take it eay with it and give yourself time to absorb all that you have learned. writing trips down and looking back over them reveals alot about you if you think over them.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7475278 - 10/01/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My last salvia trip scared the hell out of me. I thought I was stuck as a paddle for the rest of my life. It was so weird but scary. Salvia is so random and intense that you can't tell what you're trip is going to be and sometimes it's pretty scary.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Znaps]
    #7475324 - 10/01/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I hate salvia myself. Always makes me feel like im being hit with the blades of a fan. I dunno how to explain it, but its like wave after itchy uncomfortable wave hitting me. The trip in itself is usually amazing, i just can't stand the way it makes my body feel.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #7475418 - 10/01/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

salvia, imo, is the safest psychedelic in terms of bad trip territory. it only lasts say 10 minutes max, so even if you're going to hell you'll be back in a few minutes. it's not like an acid or shroom trip where you're locked in for hours upon hours.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #7475425 - 10/01/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ShroominShaman said:
I hate salvia myself. Always makes me feel like im being hit with the blades of a fan. I dunno how to explain it, but its like wave after itchy uncomfortable wave hitting me. The trip in itself is usually amazing, i just can't stand the way it makes my body feel.




I hear you on the body feeling part, it's the one reason why I don't use salvia much myself. The times that I have used it have been amazing though, as you said.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Seventy]
    #7475456 - 10/01/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Intent, set, and setting can't be stressed enough with this drug.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7475464 - 10/01/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i really wanna try salvia before its banned everywhere*, been scheduled here since 2000 :cry:


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #7475487 - 10/01/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

last time I did salvia it was a horrible fucking setting (parked car) and I just got completely shot into another dimension. my friends were asking me if I was alright while I was on it but I didnt understand what they were saying until after. While peaking I didn't understand that I was in a car or even in a seat. its really hard to explain but it was a horrible experience (I smoked it around 3-4 times before this). after that I told myself I'd never do it again...that was 2 years ago and am still in the same mind set.
also - when coming back from the trip I'm always DRENCHED in sweat and just feel nasty

like others have said - mind set + setting are definitely key for any psychedelic but especially this one.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7475527 - 10/01/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I second SapphireCat's description. A salvia trip is definitely not a giggle-fest as youtube would lead you to believe. I do consider my experience traumatizing, yet beneficiary...

Something I find interesting is, without fail, after every Salvia trip I have to fish my baggie out of the trash can. My subconscious may have been trying to tell me something.

I suggest starting at very low dose. I've only experimented with a 5x/6x extract.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Znaps]
    #7475539 - 10/01/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought I was stuck as a paddle for the rest of my life.




HOLY SHIT! That' EXACTLY how I would describe my experience. I felt like I was a paddle on some kind of crazy intergalactic paddleboat; churning on and on in a fractal-sea. It took many weeks for me to be able to stop wondering which reality was "the real one".


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
    #7475707 - 10/01/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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epilectric said:
i had 2 salvia trips, one was off the 2*extract, smoked a pure hit out of the bong
not too strong, but clearly noticeable
second one was off the 15* extract, also a pure bong hit
had complete ego-loss for 5 minutes
afterwards my whole body got very itchy, like if tons of small needles are picking on it, and i turned hot/cold/hot/cold
salvia is definitely NOT a very enjoyable psychedelic
it's quite interesting though, but nothing i would recommend to anyone
i guess, the risk of being traumatized is not too high, because of its short action (2-10 minutes)
however, as always, it totally depends on the person, doing it
but i guess, you'll be safe

i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens
i had 2 flashbacks, where i forgot who i am for about 5-10 seconds
a friend of mine did salvia some years ago, didn't have any effect
the next day, he forgot who he was and had to be brought to the hospital
also, salvia is not as well researched as lsd, mushrooms and the like
additionally, there is no "guinea-pig generation" like there is with lsd, not to mention mushrooms, whose use is almost as old as mankind itself





I had the same experience when my friend made me try the 17x. I tried just like 2x and had no affects. Not with this though, not at all. I don't know if ego loss is considered amnesia but I definitely cant recall the 7 minutes from peak to comedown. But the little bit i can remember is of being stuck in a sort of purgatory i guess. It wasn't bad it was just really plain and sad... And so orange...


As for flashbacks i definitely agree. I never got them off mushies but now every now and then i get stuck with that feeling of being back in that space and it totally kills any moment i was having.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
    #7475942 - 10/01/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens





So basically, by me takin Salvia, do I risk suddenly experiencin a flashback in the middle of school or work? I don't want to like suddenly feel myself in another dimension for a few seconds at MY workplace; it's a factory, and I must remain in synch with all other employees.

Quote:

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I suggest starting at very low dose. I've only experimented with a 5x/6x extract.




Sadly, the weakest extract I can get my hands on is 10x. Does this mean I'm askin for trouble?


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Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Killer Sausage]
    #7475953 - 10/01/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was very excited about trying salvia until I read this thread. :/


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Diamonds808]
    #7475963 - 10/01/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well it doesn't always do that. It's just a pretty easy drug to bad trip on, and a bad trip on salvia is intense.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Diamonds808]
    #7475974 - 10/01/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The flashback bit sounds bad. Imagine if you were talking to someone important, had one and completely forgot what you were talking about, how would you explain that?


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7475990 - 10/01/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The flashback bit sounds bad. Imagine if you were talking to someone important, had one and completely forgot what you were talking about, how would you explain that?




Yeah, that's what I'm worried about.. :frown:


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7476032 - 10/02/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7476038 - 10/02/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Diamonds808]
    #7476147 - 10/02/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I was very excited about trying salvia until I read this thread. :/




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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7476264 - 10/02/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.

personally i don't like it as i usualy have a bad one.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: somebody041]
    #7476273 - 10/02/07 03:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I had some fucken bizzare experiences with salvia but never any flashbacks, I had one where I was mad to be a slave in a shoe making factory for elves, I eventually ended up being part of a huge fucken paddle or wheel(surprise common theme I wonder why?) for what seemed like eternity. In retrospect I should have been terified but the nature of the drug is that the experience is so real and intense you have really no time to be terrified. At the end of the trip your left with a sort of astonished stooper and in awe. Never any flash backs either.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: somebody041]
    #7476286 - 10/02/07 03:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

when I was 4 years old I broke my leg. -
there were complications that followed for 3 years
my early childhood included a personal voyage through some extra pain and physical isolation that I did not complain about.

I adore salvia.
occasionally I find it unsuitable for the circumstances, and the depth of effect too awkward to consider, so I skip a day.

the longest break I have had from it was 6 days over 4 years. but then I did it twice in one day, yesterday. why such a long break, well I have been working too hard lately, and machinery is involved.

as for flashbacks, cannabis gave me more of that, and longer lasting more uncomfortable body experiences.

my preference is lsd for a whole day, or salvia for a few good minutes out of the humdrum cycle.

I don't reccommend any of those to anybody even though I enjoy them very much personally.

I consider most people to be like consumers, shopping at life (experiences), blaming the manufacturer and trying to return product with defects.

This approach does not work well with salvia at all. i.e. if you are shopping for experience go to disneyland, you will get what you pay for there; but if you are interested in conscousness and are a bit brave and can tolerate sensations out of the norm, you may like salvia a lot.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7476534 - 10/02/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The flashback bit sounds bad. Imagine if you were talking to someone important, had one and completely forgot what you were talking about, how would you explain that?




In My experience at least the flashbacks were when i was completely alone, and i couldn't imagine them reappearing in any other situation. For me they weren't very extreme, like nothing major happened, and i was still in my normal state of mind. I dunno i just never hallucinated a sound before and when you hear it it sounds so real...

anyway just want people to note: i did not use salvia responsibly i took it multiple times a day, every day for 2 weeks straight. My first few times, while it still took a minute before i broke through, were fun experiences, and i laughed as i had never laughed before. It's just when you breakthrough immediately and analyse your trips that it starts to askew your view on life.

not a party drug, but extremely interesting and will probably do it someday again, once i finally work through what i've seen on it. It's an experience you're never really prepared for, and is always a bit of a kick in the teeth. Just use it with the respect it deserves, alot of people just shrug it off as a bit of fun since it's a legal herb and such short duration, but time loses meaning on it and i've lived and died multiple lives on it.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7480493 - 10/03/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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as for flashbacks, cannabis gave me more of that, and longer lasting more uncomfortable body experiences.





So if I smoke weed after havin smoked Salvia sometime earlier, whether it be an hour ago, a day ago, a week ago, or even a month ago, do I risk experiencin flashbacks? And of what intensity are cannabis-induced Salvia flashbacks usually? I don't wanna ruin my weed smokin experience - I love THC and its own unique effects.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Killer Sausage]
    #7481143 - 10/03/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have only ever broken through on salvia once.
And it was a very powerful experience.

To be honest i love the body buzz. Feels like electricity pumping all over my body.
I tend to get red and green symbols, lines, pictures, animals, everything just before and after the peak.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Seventy]
    #10329050 - 05/12/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's easy to say after the salvia trip is over( mine lasted 2 to three minutes of identity loss), but while your tripping, you cannot reason, think, or tell yourself it's just a terror nightmare

...It Is reality, and It Does Go on forever!  You KNOW that you are Insane, and will always be insane for infinity! You don't know who or where you are, or that you just smoked anything!..

.My second trip, I began seated at my computer, when I became aware, again,I was crawling on the floor in terror with my eye glasses broken and a chipped tooth...such fun! Lsd or nothing, Ever was this evil and violent!

I can easily believe that if a gun where easily available, you might just blow your brains out to make it all STOP!

Since I couldn't reason I ask myself, suppose you did have your .357 in you hand, then what...all I can tell you that at the time death would have been FAR preferable than what i was going through!

I'm a happy guy, and i love my lord Jesus, but I couldn't even ask for help, as I didn't exist anymore...this salvia is IMO sick stuff, I will attempt very low dosages( along with euphoria producing agents) to see if I can tame it....

My third trip was a very low dose held for 10 seconds...it was bad, but I had no visuals and did not loose my ability to reason and fight it!....Just go with it? BULL S!!! this isn't acid or mushrooms, you can't even say to yourself "just go with it"  You Cannot Reason or Think, for at least two minutes!

The worst part of my  three salvia trips only lasted two to three minutes, during two minutes of which I was physically totally un coordinated. Probably couldn't use my gun even if i hadn't thought to put it on a ten foot high shelf, and put the ladder six minutes away from the location.

In the 60s and 80s I did over one hundred 500 Mcg.and over, trips, and the worst was a joke compared to salvia.  I know one normal and neat guy who did himself in by jumping out a ten story window...his buddy said he was screaming, please make it stop...and that wasn't
salvia!

With the longer lasting stuff, you can bring it to a screeching halt in ten minutes with Valium or Thorazine if you have to, and you keep that stuff in your pockets while your tripping...I only had to use that once.

With Salvia, the trip comes on instantly, and you loose any ability to reason your way out...the two minutes lasts for eternity!

Some claim that they have had great salvia experience, I only wish that I could.  Next salvia trip will be a one time 7 second inhalation, and I'll be loaded up on Kratom and blue Lotus before I even try that Crap again, and it will be a tiny amount of my 10x, but it won't be soon!

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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10329068 - 05/12/09 07:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for digging up a year old thread. Salvia is fun as hell. I've tripped on it 30+ times and have never had a bad trip.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Country1]
    #10329193 - 05/12/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks for digging up a year old thread. Salvia is fun as hell. I've tripped on it 30+ times and have never had a bad trip.





Amazing, I wish that I could!

My mood, set and setting were all ideal.

It really bugs me, like WTF, I'm an old experienced LSD DMT Mesc. Psylo, astronaut. I'm happy and have everything in life going for me! What the hell is wrong?

Did you go through an identity blackout where you couldn't reason?

How strong was your salvia, and how long did you hold in the first hit?

I may just have to find something else to explore my inner space, but I will try again, working up with very low dosage levels.. Salvia is so cheap and easy to get, it's a shame if I can't tolerate and enjoy it!...LOL!


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: StreetFreak]
    #10329220 - 05/12/09 08:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

With salvia, I feel as though my body is trying to escape or run away from this extreme force, but i'm not ACTUALLY scared. it's like I have no control over my fear, and it feels sorta fake.
    Slavia is fuckin weird!
I feel that with mushrooms, you're able to rationalize and conceptualize. This can make mushrooms more genuinely freaky when  you get nervous. you're able to think about the bad thoughts, dwell on them, then manifest a scary reality. With salvia, my mind is too FUCKED OFF THIS PLANET! hehe! I dunno, maybe I have a false sense of security...
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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Mykologist]
    #10329284 - 05/12/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I got a black eye falling into a table on salvia once.  But I was on a little bit of k too so it's my fault not the salvia's.:crazy:


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10329802 - 05/12/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i smoked salvia plenty of times and i love it. i always have some just for when the right time comes. never had a bad trip but as in bizarre shit yea plenty. nothing i would consider a bad trip though


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: EL DOC]
    #10329829 - 05/12/09 09:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've smoked 60x and 80x. 60x for my first time then 80x all the other times. Half the time i'm not in a good setting but I don't do salvia for the mystical spiritual adventure I normally just do it to get fucked up. If I want to go on a true mind bending nature trip i'll stick to LSD or mush.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #10330057 - 05/12/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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i don't think you can really sort salvia in good and bad. They're all very intense experiences and all you can do is experience.




Well said.
I don't find it enjoyable in the least, but its definitely intense and worth trying at least once.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: skunkape]
    #10331080 - 05/13/09 05:39 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

too many people have no idea about dosage.
salvia is non-toxic so most people take way too much
way too much
find your sweet spot and most convenient method of smoking.
well maybe that is too demanding for you
if so choose another vehicle.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #10331095 - 05/13/09 05:45 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Salvia is still the only drug that has given me a full blown, "where the fuck am I?" OOBE.

I haven't had a DMT breakthrough yet though.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10331102 - 05/13/09 05:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly, if you smoke it right, take it all in one big hit and hold it as long as you can, you won't even be conscious enough to be scared. I don't get how people can freak out when they're not even in this dimension anymore.


I was afraid of salvia too until I broke through completely, which I thought I had already done. If you only take enough to screw up your though process and make the room morph a bit, you didn't do enough or you bought shitty salvia. I'd say try to get at least 20x and smoke it out of a bong. Take the biggest hit you can and hold it for as long as possible, no hesitation. Hesitation is the only thing that holds people back, and that hesitation and nervousness is what causes bad trips.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: LSDaytripper]
    #10331121 - 05/13/09 05:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

that's the thing, at least in my case it was like, "oh fuck im stuck in this dimension"

it didnt help that the entity skipped me as he was letting my fellow travellers leave


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: druqs]
    #10331782 - 05/13/09 10:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.
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wrong.


i had a salvia experience that lasted a couple hours, and was intense as hell. it was definitely a unique experience.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #10332037 - 05/13/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I tried Salvia for the first time two weeks ago. It was either 15 or 20x, from a bong. I had read a lot of trip reports beforehand, and I thought I was prepared, but as soon as I exhaled, all my preparation was irrelevant.

I went into some kind of dream state left over from my childhood. I didn't understand what was happening to me, I couldn't remember anything that I had read about Salvia. I basically forgot about the entire concept of drugs in general. I was frozen in an awkward crouching position, halfway between my couch and my coffee table, and there were brightly colored pixels running up and down the outline of my body. Feeling panicked and unable to move was a common motif in my childhood nightmares, and this felt very reminiscent of that. I kept asking my boyfriend where I was and what was happening to me. He told me that I had smoked Salvia. I felt very lost and childish, asking him what Salvia was, and why I had smoked it. He finally helped me get unstuck and into a reclining position on the couch. At that point the experience changed for the better, and I just listened to music and got lost in my own thoughts for the rest of the peak.

At first I was terrified, but as I started to return to reality I decided that I really liked it, and I would definitely do it again. I haven't yet, but I plan to in the near future, when my mind is clear enough. Also, I was listening to the new Animal Collective album during my trip. Since then, I've been listening to it a lot on my iPod, and it keeps bringing me back into a mild trance.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Psilobuds]
    #10332113 - 05/13/09 12:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you jut have to have the smarts to figure it all out when you  takeing the dose  ive never beed on a bod one with her  she is a great  goddess and with thought and understanding  we should all figure it out under the grand microscope


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: warchild]
    #10332238 - 05/13/09 12:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Here's me from another thread:

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I thought i was a shape in the room in which i was sitting, and that the room was a compartment of existence attached to a wall that was lined with an infinite number of other identical compartments. This wall stretched off into the abyss forever, and I thought that existence was, and always had been this strange spinning and interlocking of shapes trapped in an endless time-loop.





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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: warchild]
    #10332321 - 05/13/09 01:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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you jut have to have the smarts to figure it all out when you  takeing the dose  ive never beed on a bod one with her  she is a great  goddess and with thought and understanding  we should all figure it out under the grand microscope




"The smarts to figure it out?"...WTF?

Every ones body and tolerance is different, and ones tolerance can vary from hour to hour and day to day.  Salvia seems to have a reverse tolerance in that it takes less to trip you out two hours after the first trip!

For me, it was just one deep inhalation of 10x held 30 seconds.  On exhaling, the last thought I had was,

"Oh hell, this is to strong, I screwed up".....

................" Don't Fight it"..................

Oh Yea Sure!..LOL....If you were able to reason enough to
tell yourself that, then you wouldn't be in trouble!...ROFL!

The thing to remember with salvia( for me anyway!) is once you've lost identity of who you are, and where you are,.. You Are Not Able to Reason or Think!!!

You just want it to stop, but you can't force it to stop...You Are Helpless, and the two minutes seems like an eternity of permanent insanity! Example. I couldn't even think to ask The Lord for help!

The deep two or three minute salvia trip is Absolute Reality to you!
There is no..." oh this is only a  trip"  BS, it's Real and you are trapped here forever!....

That's what the survival part of your brain is Screaming at you....There is no evasive action to take....Your Screwed!

Obviously The Lord was on the job anyway...LOL

Even on my strongest acid trips,( 500Mcs and plus of Owsley) I never lost my identity or ability to think and reason!...The one time that
acid started to be to much for me to handle, I reached into my pocket
and grabed the two 10Mg Valium pills and took them.  I was back to calmness in ten minutes!

With Salvia, You Can't Even think To Do that, You Cannot Reason!

  Every part of your mind is gone except the little self preservation part that is screaming in terror and saying I want it to stop!

My two really bad salvia trips was one 30Sec. inhalation on 10x with an amount equal to what would cover my pinky fingernail!...

Shoot, other folks take five and ten times that amount, so individual sensitivity to salvia apparently is greatly varied

I hope to be able to work past this into good salvia trips by low level doses held perhaps for only seven or ten seconds.  Will keep 'yall informed on my progress...LOL!

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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10332351 - 05/13/09 01:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i really wonder if the experience with 40x and above is qualitatively different from 20x. i cant imagine how the trip can be more whacked out than what 15 and 20x have done to me


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #10332522 - 05/13/09 01:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.
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wrong.


i had a salvia experience that lasted a couple hours, and was intense as hell. it was definitely a unique experience.




What the fuck?

What strength was the extract?

What else were you on?

Was it at least dreamy, where two hours went by in minutes to you?

Sorry about all the questions.

I totally believe you, as I have heard other people swear to the same thing.

I would just like to know why it lasted that long for you, so I can avoid or possibly recreate your experience.

I have done Salvia upwards of a hundred times, and it usually always lasts a few short minutes.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10332880 - 05/13/09 03:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

I AM SWIM said:
Quote:

mycelismymind said:
its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.
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wrong.


i had a salvia experience that lasted a couple hours, and was intense as hell. it was definitely a unique experience.




What the fuck?

What strength was the extract?

What else were you on?

Was it at least dreamy, where two hours went by in minutes to you?

Sorry about all the questions.

I totally believe you, as I have heard other people swear to the same thing.

I would just like to know why it lasted that long for you, so I can avoid or possibly recreate your experience.

I have done Salvia upwards of a hundred times, and it usually always lasts a few short minutes.





Did you At Least have some Valium ( a Benzo) or Thorazine  in your pocket for an emergency?


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10333049 - 05/13/09 03:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hell no.

What would I need that for?


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10336416 - 05/14/09 05:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

people have no idea still
as if the dosage were the strength printed on a label:
one small puff of 10x is equal to a larger puff of 5x and a tiny puff of 40x
with real 40x it is almost impossible to measure a good dose.
(usually way too strong)

plain leaf is very strong but you have to smoke a big bowl.
what you inhale within 90 seconds is the dose.

if you like smoking I reccommend plain leaf
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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #10336528 - 05/14/09 06:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I am at the point where I eyeball out a decent sized bowl of 40x.

I used to be more conservative, smoking tiny hits and constantly feeling underdosed.

I like to pack about 1/8th of a gram in the bowl and try to kill it in one hit.

This way, I know for sure that I will not smoke a little more, then a little more.

One hit is plenty enough to give me what I am looking for and leave me feeling satisfied.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10338235 - 05/14/09 02:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.
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wrong.


i had a salvia experience that lasted a couple hours, and was intense as hell. it was definitely a unique experience.




What the fuck?

What strength was the extract?

What else were you on?

Was it at least dreamy, where two hours went by in minutes to you?

Sorry about all the questions.

I totally believe you, as I have heard other people swear to the same thing.

I would just like to know why it lasted that long for you, so I can avoid or possibly recreate your experience.

I have done Salvia upwards of a hundred times, and it usually always lasts a few short minutes.






Yeah usually, my previous experiences only lasted 10-20 minutes usually, the intensity lasts about 10 minutes, I don't know why it lasted so long, I was not on anything else, unless my downstem had weed residue which could have an effect, although I used the same downstem previous times and my salvia trips were short lasting.

The long salvia trip was off of 20x extract standardized. The trip lasted a good 3-4 hours, with intensity, and was extremely a hard trip to go through with, I had a friend with me during that time, and it wasn't until after he left, that the trip started to subside.

It's really hard to explain why, as I have a couple theories as to why, and some of them can't be backed up with scientific proof. I think in some aspects regarding to psychedelics, the user has to be ready for what is to come, and trips vary from one another by a lot, and I think it all depends on the person, and their state of mind, whether they break through or not. I also think, whatever presence I felt, be it a manifestation of an entity created by myself, whatever it was, I begged for it not to throw me out back to sober reality really fast, because I thought it would have been painful. Instead the trip slowly tapered off.

It was fucked.. LOL.

EDIT: Time wasn't really dreamy, I was aware of the time before taking the hit, and during the trip, I kept having my friend tell me the time, I think this also played a role in the long duration of the trip, because I was aware of the time, and it was acting pretty normal, but then I started to wonder if the time was a lie, and that the trip could last an eternity. Every object in my vision was made up of these bluish/purple threads that intertwined to infinity, to make up peoples faces staring at me, the peoples faces looked similar to my own face, as if it were a reflection, seeing myself through the looking glass of some sort. every inanimate object was made of this. So i was seeing faces made up of faces made up of faces ... to infinity. It was strange

The entire view of sober reality was contained in a rectangular shape, and outside of the box was a ladder leading down to a doppleganger reality, so there were two versions of my friend, the real one and the doppleganger. One was sinister, the other was trustworthy, but in grand scheme of all things, which one truthfully is trustworthy? That I don't know.

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Swyfty Swyf said:
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I AM SWIM said:
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mycelismymind said:
its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.
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wrong.


i had a salvia experience that lasted a couple hours, and was intense as hell. it was definitely a unique experience.




What the fuck?

What strength was the extract?

What else were you on?

Was it at least dreamy, where two hours went by in minutes to you?

Sorry about all the questions.

I totally believe you, as I have heard other people swear to the same thing.

I would just like to know why it lasted that long for you, so I can avoid or possibly recreate your experience.

I have done Salvia upwards of a hundred times, and it usually always lasts a few short minutes.





Did you At Least have some Valium ( a Benzo) or Thorazine  in your pocket for an emergency?





Benzos won't stop a bad trip, they may decrease the anxiety, you need some good anti-psychotic medication to end a trip. I have tripped on benzos before.

I prefer going thru hard times during trips. That is the time when the trips are fully blown out and intense, and much can be learned from them.

I give thumbs down :thumbdown: for using anything with the intent to stop or end a trip, as "preparation" for tripping.


I'm about to score a bunch of different RC's this week, so yay for me :smile:



EDIT AGAIN LOL:
i can't remember if it was 10x or 20x standardized extract. I think it was 10x.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: trebor]
    #10342841 - 05/15/09 10:09 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I had a trip I like to call, "oh my God Im going to die!" It was SO scary. I started the night out as normal. Friends of mine, experienced users like myself, smoking out of our bong. Laughs and good, fun, trips. The last time that night I had smoked, I noticed something was different, I felt as if I had like, died or something. My best friend was right there, and he was also tripping on his own. He was part of my trip though. I felt as if I was pulled to the ground, and in front of me was a tree. I soon realized I was kneeling before the tree, sort of like a judgment day thing. We (my friend and I) were before God being judged. I saw an angel taking my friend away and I say to the angel, why cant I go? Where is my angel? then I look to my side and say, "oh, she already left me". Then I say, wait, I was a good person! Why cant I go? then I start to cry and scream to my friend, "Tell Him, Tell Him I was a good person!" The tree starts to turn into a black swirl, I could see souls of the condemned sinking into it. I was starting to slowly sink too.. but kept resisting... The only thing on my mind was my mother.. I look to my friend Jessica, who for some reason was an angel, and say in my head first, "Tell my mom I love her". I say to her, Tell my mom... and then I catch myself.. I started coming out of it.. "Wait, No! Im a good person! Im not going to hell!" My refusal to die spiritually caused everything to turn like a smokey, cloudy color. And I was sitting with two angels, who were actually my friends. We began to talk about Jesus and my life and following God's Word. The trip ends with me and the angels praying and thanking God for my life. Well anyway, every now and then I have a dream of the part where I begin to sink in the black swirl, then I wake up freaking out.. It had not happened to me in a long time, but about two nights ago it just happened, and keeps going on... It has been about a year since then and I sometimes will dream that. If you havent already, I strongly suggest you not mess with it man.. It will change your life, but not at the expense of what I go through some nights.. take care -Rico


I forgot to mention I heard voices too at the beginning.. Yelling at me, "Thats what you get, thats what you get!" It was jacked up! Worst trip I have ever had on a drug. But NEVER AGAIN!


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: rico915]
    #10343252 - 05/15/09 11:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why blame the salvia for what it did to you?

Salvia is just Salvia.

Your experience that you take from it is directly related to how you approach it.

You believe in Hell

I do not.

You think Salvia is evil.

I think it is a sacrament.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10346696 - 05/15/09 11:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Why blame the salvia for what it did to you?

Salvia is just Salvia.

Your experience that you take from it is directly related to how you approach it.

You believe in Hell

I do not.

You think Salvia is evil.

I think it is a sacrament.



again.. No I dont think Salvia is evil.. Im not some crazy wacked out Christian who is against whatever it is you think Im against... It isn't a matter of believing in something.. Salvia is in fact, just salvia.. But I think that it opens doors, allowing you to see thinks that you would, or maybe, shouldn't see. I dont know.. This isn't a lesson on what someone believes in, just simply that it had a crazy effect on me..Again.. read what Im saying...


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: rico915]
    #14137938 - 03/17/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Salvia makes me feel like I put my normal life on hold for a little while so that I can play secret mind games with hidden geometry...
If that makes sense to anybody please let me know!


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: sanx]
    #14138395 - 03/17/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

During my second salvia trip, I had the entire universe re-assembled from scratch in the span of three minutes.  It scared me away of trying it or any other drugs again for another 6 months.  But it all turned out just fine, and I have since had many a fruitful reunion with Lady Salvia (as well as other plant helpers).


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Comradez]
    #14139565 - 03/17/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i was put into a fractal tunnel and it felt like i had hundreds of fingers shoved down my throat and in my mouth


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: NlightN]
    #14139987 - 03/17/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think the majority of people taking salvia are taking doses that are to much. it doesn't take much.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Goose]
    #14140988 - 03/18/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Supposedly my friends dad started doing pure salvinorin A. I don't know if thats true, but he got pretty into salvia, even somehow magically driving home from work on salvia once, but eventually he got caught and had to do some rehab time after he crashed his car on salvia. That fucker was crazy, I don't understand how you could get that into salvia-for me (and most people I know) salvia is like a short period of curiosity but then at a certain point it just seems to get too weird and sketchy (especially with the reverse tolerance)


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