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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: StreetFreak]
#7475464 - 10/01/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i really wanna try salvia before its banned everywhere*, been scheduled here since 2000 :cry:
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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ShroominShaman]
#7475487 - 10/01/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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last time I did salvia it was a horrible fucking setting (parked car) and I just got completely shot into another dimension. my friends were asking me if I was alright while I was on it but I didnt understand what they were saying until after. While peaking I didn't understand that I was in a car or even in a seat. its really hard to explain but it was a horrible experience (I smoked it around 3-4 times before this). after that I told myself I'd never do it again...that was 2 years ago and am still in the same mind set. also - when coming back from the trip I'm always DRENCHED in sweat and just feel nasty
like others have said - mind set + setting are definitely key for any psychedelic but especially this one.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
#7475527 - 10/01/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I second SapphireCat's description. A salvia trip is definitely not a giggle-fest as youtube would lead you to believe. I do consider my experience traumatizing, yet beneficiary...
Something I find interesting is, without fail, after every Salvia trip I have to fish my baggie out of the trash can. My subconscious may have been trying to tell me something.
I suggest starting at very low dose. I've only experimented with a 5x/6x extract.
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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Znaps]
#7475539 - 10/01/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Znaps said: I thought I was stuck as a paddle for the rest of my life.
HOLY SHIT! That' EXACTLY how I would describe my experience. I felt like I was a paddle on some kind of crazy intergalactic paddleboat; churning on and on in a fractal-sea. It took many weeks for me to be able to stop wondering which reality was "the real one".
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
#7475707 - 10/01/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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epilectric said: i had 2 salvia trips, one was off the 2*extract, smoked a pure hit out of the bong not too strong, but clearly noticeable second one was off the 15* extract, also a pure bong hit had complete ego-loss for 5 minutes afterwards my whole body got very itchy, like if tons of small needles are picking on it, and i turned hot/cold/hot/cold salvia is definitely NOT a very enjoyable psychedelic it's quite interesting though, but nothing i would recommend to anyone i guess, the risk of being traumatized is not too high, because of its short action (2-10 minutes) however, as always, it totally depends on the person, doing it but i guess, you'll be safe
i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens i had 2 flashbacks, where i forgot who i am for about 5-10 seconds a friend of mine did salvia some years ago, didn't have any effect the next day, he forgot who he was and had to be brought to the hospital also, salvia is not as well researched as lsd, mushrooms and the like additionally, there is no "guinea-pig generation" like there is with lsd, not to mention mushrooms, whose use is almost as old as mankind itself
I had the same experience when my friend made me try the 17x. I tried just like 2x and had no affects. Not with this though, not at all. I don't know if ego loss is considered amnesia but I definitely cant recall the 7 minutes from peak to comedown. But the little bit i can remember is of being stuck in a sort of purgatory i guess. It wasn't bad it was just really plain and sad... And so orange...
As for flashbacks i definitely agree. I never got them off mushies but now every now and then i get stuck with that feeling of being back in that space and it totally kills any moment i was having.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
#7475942 - 10/01/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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epilectric said: i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens
So basically, by me takin Salvia, do I risk suddenly experiencin a flashback in the middle of school or work? I don't want to like suddenly feel myself in another dimension for a few seconds at MY workplace; it's a factory, and I must remain in synch with all other employees.
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dzagama said: I suggest starting at very low dose. I've only experimented with a 5x/6x extract.
Sadly, the weakest extract I can get my hands on is 10x. Does this mean I'm askin for trouble?
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7475953 - 10/01/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was very excited about trying salvia until I read this thread. :/
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Diamonds808]
#7475963 - 10/01/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well it doesn't always do that. It's just a pretty easy drug to bad trip on, and a bad trip on salvia is intense.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Diamonds808]
#7475974 - 10/01/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The flashback bit sounds bad. Imagine if you were talking to someone important, had one and completely forgot what you were talking about, how would you explain that?
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
#7475990 - 10/01/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: The flashback bit sounds bad. Imagine if you were talking to someone important, had one and completely forgot what you were talking about, how would you explain that?
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about..
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
#7476032 - 10/02/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bad heart?
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7476038 - 10/02/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Diamonds808]
#7476147 - 10/02/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Diamonds808 said: I was very excited about trying salvia until I read this thread. :/
ditto
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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: StreetFreak]
#7476264 - 10/02/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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its not a party drug, but even a horrible experience will only last 15minutes tops.
personally i don't like it as i usualy have a bad one.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: somebody041]
#7476273 - 10/02/07 03:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had some fucken bizzare experiences with salvia but never any flashbacks, I had one where I was mad to be a slave in a shoe making factory for elves, I eventually ended up being part of a huge fucken paddle or wheel(surprise common theme I wonder why?) for what seemed like eternity. In retrospect I should have been terified but the nature of the drug is that the experience is so real and intense you have really no time to be terrified. At the end of the trip your left with a sort of astonished stooper and in awe. Never any flash backs either.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: somebody041]
#7476286 - 10/02/07 03:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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when I was 4 years old I broke my leg. - there were complications that followed for 3 years my early childhood included a personal voyage through some extra pain and physical isolation that I did not complain about.
I adore salvia. occasionally I find it unsuitable for the circumstances, and the depth of effect too awkward to consider, so I skip a day.
the longest break I have had from it was 6 days over 4 years. but then I did it twice in one day, yesterday. why such a long break, well I have been working too hard lately, and machinery is involved.
as for flashbacks, cannabis gave me more of that, and longer lasting more uncomfortable body experiences.
my preference is lsd for a whole day, or salvia for a few good minutes out of the humdrum cycle.
I don't reccommend any of those to anybody even though I enjoy them very much personally.
I consider most people to be like consumers, shopping at life (experiences), blaming the manufacturer and trying to return product with defects.
This approach does not work well with salvia at all. i.e. if you are shopping for experience go to disneyland, you will get what you pay for there; but if you are interested in conscousness and are a bit brave and can tolerate sensations out of the norm, you may like salvia a lot.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7476534 - 10/02/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: The flashback bit sounds bad. Imagine if you were talking to someone important, had one and completely forgot what you were talking about, how would you explain that?
In My experience at least the flashbacks were when i was completely alone, and i couldn't imagine them reappearing in any other situation. For me they weren't very extreme, like nothing major happened, and i was still in my normal state of mind. I dunno i just never hallucinated a sound before and when you hear it it sounds so real...
anyway just want people to note: i did not use salvia responsibly i took it multiple times a day, every day for 2 weeks straight. My first few times, while it still took a minute before i broke through, were fun experiences, and i laughed as i had never laughed before. It's just when you breakthrough immediately and analyse your trips that it starts to askew your view on life.
not a party drug, but extremely interesting and will probably do it someday again, once i finally work through what i've seen on it. It's an experience you're never really prepared for, and is always a bit of a kick in the teeth. Just use it with the respect it deserves, alot of people just shrug it off as a bit of fun since it's a legal herb and such short duration, but time loses meaning on it and i've lived and died multiple lives on it.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7480493 - 10/03/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: as for flashbacks, cannabis gave me more of that, and longer lasting more uncomfortable body experiences.
So if I smoke weed after havin smoked Salvia sometime earlier, whether it be an hour ago, a day ago, a week ago, or even a month ago, do I risk experiencin flashbacks? And of what intensity are cannabis-induced Salvia flashbacks usually? I don't wanna ruin my weed smokin experience - I love THC and its own unique effects.
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7481143 - 10/03/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have only ever broken through on salvia once. And it was a very powerful experience.
To be honest i love the body buzz. Feels like electricity pumping all over my body. I tend to get red and green symbols, lines, pictures, animals, everything just before and after the peak.
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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Seventy]
#10329050 - 05/12/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's easy to say after the salvia trip is over( mine lasted 2 to three minutes of identity loss), but while your tripping, you cannot reason, think, or tell yourself it's just a terror nightmare
...It Is reality, and It Does Go on forever! You KNOW that you are Insane, and will always be insane for infinity! You don't know who or where you are, or that you just smoked anything!..
.My second trip, I began seated at my computer, when I became aware, again,I was crawling on the floor in terror with my eye glasses broken and a chipped tooth...such fun! Lsd or nothing, Ever was this evil and violent!
I can easily believe that if a gun where easily available, you might just blow your brains out to make it all STOP!
Since I couldn't reason I ask myself, suppose you did have your .357 in you hand, then what...all I can tell you that at the time death would have been FAR preferable than what i was going through!
I'm a happy guy, and i love my lord Jesus, but I couldn't even ask for help, as I didn't exist anymore...this salvia is IMO sick stuff, I will attempt very low dosages( along with euphoria producing agents) to see if I can tame it....
My third trip was a very low dose held for 10 seconds...it was bad, but I had no visuals and did not loose my ability to reason and fight it!....Just go with it? BULL S!!! this isn't acid or mushrooms, you can't even say to yourself "just go with it" You Cannot Reason or Think, for at least two minutes!
The worst part of my three salvia trips only lasted two to three minutes, during two minutes of which I was physically totally un coordinated. Probably couldn't use my gun even if i hadn't thought to put it on a ten foot high shelf, and put the ladder six minutes away from the location.
In the 60s and 80s I did over one hundred 500 Mcg.and over, trips, and the worst was a joke compared to salvia. I know one normal and neat guy who did himself in by jumping out a ten story window...his buddy said he was screaming, please make it stop...and that wasn't salvia!
With the longer lasting stuff, you can bring it to a screeching halt in ten minutes with Valium or Thorazine if you have to, and you keep that stuff in your pockets while your tripping...I only had to use that once.
With Salvia, the trip comes on instantly, and you loose any ability to reason your way out...the two minutes lasts for eternity!
Some claim that they have had great salvia experience, I only wish that I could. Next salvia trip will be a one time 7 second inhalation, and I'll be loaded up on Kratom and blue Lotus before I even try that Crap again, and it will be a tiny amount of my 10x, but it won't be soon!
Take care, and cheers!
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