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OfflineKiller Sausage
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How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be?
    #7473196 - 10/01/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I always read people sayin stuff like "that Salvia trip was the scariest experience ever", yet I haven't really seen much about people gettin scarred from a bad Salvia trip the way people do from mushrooms, etc. Are there any negative long-term consequences for Salvia, in comparison with shrooms, lsd and other psychedelics (not includin cannabis, since it's waaaaay milder than all the others)? I am askin this because I kinda don't wanna do mushrooms (+ shrooms are sorta hard to find in my area), which is a long-lastin experience, but I have access to smokable Salvia extract, which although is very intense, only lasts a few mere minutes. I just don't wanna end up makin a thread about how much a bad Salvia experience messed me up, etc.


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Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Killer Sausage]
    #7473262 - 10/01/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I would go to www.erowid.org and read lots of trip reports.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7473269 - 10/01/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Salvia is insane

I was definetly not prepared for how weird it would be. I smoked some out of a pipe and it didnt work at all then I took a huge bonghit to try to get it to work and...well yeah it definetly worked.

The whole universe was a small little space on the tip of my nose and I could easily travel to paris if I desired.

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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7473274 - 10/01/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm I just came across this:

Note: I have experienced some ongoing negative psychological effects due to this drug, so if you have a weak grasp on reality I wouldn’t suggest doing it. It has been almost four months since the described experience, but three times in those four months I have almost fallen back into the same trip. On none of these three occasions was I exposed to salvia. During one of them I had smoked absurd amounts of marijuana, and during another I was on shrooms. However, there was one time that I was completely sober and began feeling salvia-like effects: the unbearable body high and the feeling that this reality was fading rapidly. I offer no explanation because I don't know enough about it, but there's no mistaking the feeling of salvia. Just as acid has put many people in the crazy house, I suspect that this drug could do the same.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=35575

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Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: pornisfun2]
    #7473276 - 10/01/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive heard it can be bizzare.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473294 - 10/01/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it is a fucked up trip but even if you would end up having a bad trip it wouldnt last that long so it wouldnt be like a bad trip on cid


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473327 - 10/01/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i don't think you can really sort salvia in good and bad. They're all very intense experiences and all you can do is experience. there is no time to consider if you are having a good time or not, it's not important to the experience.

You are confronted with yourself, and everyone has parts of them they wish they didnt have, but you just have to learn to accept yourself, after that obstacle you are confronted with the frailty of reality.

I wouldn't say a single trip traumatised me. after a week or two of salvia binging though i pretty extremely lost grips with reality and thought life was just another salvia reality, and that i had to let go and move on so i could see the bigger picture again, seeing as my body insisted on holding me in this reality though i considered forcing it to let me go... as in kill myself.

but yeah entrusted a friend with my thoughts and he told me to just wait awhile and consider if this reality im experiencing now is so unbearable that i want to jump into the unknown. Without him i wouldn't be here right now...i wouldn't call it traumatising, its more sort of a fascination of the salvia experience that absorbs you.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ajdaak]
    #7473334 - 10/01/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i had 2 salvia trips, one was off the 2*extract, smoked a pure hit out of the bong
not too strong, but clearly noticeable
second one was off the 15* extract, also a pure bong hit
had complete ego-loss for 5 minutes
afterwards my whole body got very itchy, like if tons of small needles are picking on it, and i turned hot/cold/hot/cold
salvia is definitely NOT a very enjoyable psychedelic
it's quite interesting though, but nothing i would recommend to anyone
i guess, the risk of being traumatized is not too high, because of its short action (2-10 minutes)
however, as always, it totally depends on the person, doing it
but i guess, you'll be safe

i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens
i had 2 flashbacks, where i forgot who i am for about 5-10 seconds
a friend of mine did salvia some years ago, didn't have any effect
the next day, he forgot who he was and had to be brought to the hospital
also, salvia is not as well researched as lsd, mushrooms and the like
additionally, there is no "guinea-pig generation" like there is with lsd, not to mention mushrooms, whose use is almost as old as mankind itself


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
    #7473561 - 10/01/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I do not find it enjoyable like most psychedelics, it actually works different than any other mind altering chemical.

It can be quite interesting but also quite horrifying.

I'm pretty sure I was having a low level trip but it was still wayyy too weird. I mean it was like there werent any angles in the universe anymore. There was no structure to anything and the messed up thing was I felt there was a sort of truth to the salvia reality I was seeing.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: pornisfun2]
    #7474126 - 10/01/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I SAY VERY TRAMATIZING

I never believed all the stories how fucked up saliva was so me and my 4 buddies all went and got 2 bags each of 40X extract, filled the 2 bags into a bowl and hit it all in 1 big hit. The come up for me was about 5 seconds till peak, all I remember was the horrible taste cant even remember exhaling it. I then had no idea what was going on, ive never even been this lets call it LOST on massive shroom doses (tripped many times on 7 grams). Its like I was just instantly shot into another dimension. Everything had a trapped in a chilidhood nightmare feel to it (prolly bad explination, but cant explain it any other way)(and my friends said when I was walking around the house It seemed like I was sleep walking and talking made no sense at all, this is weird cause I slept walked as a chilid, but havent in prolly 15 years,im 20 now)I was so scared my brain had no clue what was going on. bluntely I was completly spun beyond imagination, It wasnt like shrooms nothing was really morphing, everything that existed before was no longer there I was seeing stuff I have never laid eyes on. I was left scared for the next few weeks, the strength of that shit still scares me today (the whole peak lasted over 14 minutes).

To all those people that say salvia is weak, grab a few bags of 40X and inhale it all in 1 bong hit.

BTW none of my friends would smoke theres after they had seen how fucked i was, i certainly wont use the shit again.

Sorry I cant go into much detail, its unexplainable for the most part. The comedown was cold and scary and I was hallucinating for about 15 mins after the peak, very crazy shit still, like an intense level 4 shroom trip (just the visual aspect of course)


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7474284 - 10/01/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sapphirecat's post summed the whole deal with salvia up pretty well imo.

It's not just the strength. It's the truthful feeling realness of the experiences that make it potentially a problem for some in the longer term.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7474309 - 10/01/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The most traumatizing thing about Salvia is that we know little to nothing about how it affects us...
Is it still classified as a Fantastican? WTF?
LOL....
Salvia, the big cosmic prank....
Thats how I feel about it....

The first time I tried it, I thought there was a huge mail order company out there that was posioning people...with salvia... mail orders...


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Fraggin]
    #7474807 - 10/01/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When I smoke a big hit of salvia I get this sensation that a big piece of plywood is tied to my back and Im on a clothes hanger being pushed forward on a clothes rack like the ones at a laundromat.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: PeterGriffin467]
    #7474905 - 10/01/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A friend of mine thought he was waiting for his death.
He can't explain it very well, but it freaked the shit out of him.
For a few minutes he really thought he was going to die, that him and everyone was just waiting in line to die. Must be rather traumatizing.

He didn't do salvia since, but he said he probably will... someday.


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Re: How traumatizin can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: epilectric]
    #7475147 - 10/01/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

epilectric said:
i forgot to add, that flashbacks are more common with salvia, then with most other hallucinogens





i'd have to agree with that aswell. about 4-6months after my binge i was walking down the road on a sunny day, and heard a voice whisper my name into my ear, that was it. but i was on a completely empty road, and the whisper was right up to my ear.

Also after that after acting as a guide for some friends who wanted to experience salvia, and having to lead by example a month later i was going back to my appartment and got such an overwhelming feeling that the female deity of salvia(or whatever you want to call her, the same one that whispered into my ear anyway) was in there in my room. I had promised in a conversation with salvia to not do it again, and broke that promise acting as a guide. the fear that i felt is inexplainable, i have died on salvia, and in the moments before death i learned to accept my faith- but this, i could not accept. I walked in, with my chest tightening, i opened the door and there was no one there.

i was relieved but i felt her presence watching me, as if giving me a warning. I'd just advise anyone thinking of trying it to take it eay with it and give yourself time to absorb all that you have learned. writing trips down and looking back over them reveals alot about you if you think over them.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7475278 - 10/01/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My last salvia trip scared the hell out of me. I thought I was stuck as a paddle for the rest of my life. It was so weird but scary. Salvia is so random and intense that you can't tell what you're trip is going to be and sometimes it's pretty scary.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Znaps]
    #7475324 - 10/01/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I hate salvia myself. Always makes me feel like im being hit with the blades of a fan. I dunno how to explain it, but its like wave after itchy uncomfortable wave hitting me. The trip in itself is usually amazing, i just can't stand the way it makes my body feel.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #7475418 - 10/01/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

salvia, imo, is the safest psychedelic in terms of bad trip territory. it only lasts say 10 minutes max, so even if you're going to hell you'll be back in a few minutes. it's not like an acid or shroom trip where you're locked in for hours upon hours.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #7475425 - 10/01/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ShroominShaman said:
I hate salvia myself. Always makes me feel like im being hit with the blades of a fan. I dunno how to explain it, but its like wave after itchy uncomfortable wave hitting me. The trip in itself is usually amazing, i just can't stand the way it makes my body feel.




I hear you on the body feeling part, it's the one reason why I don't use salvia much myself. The times that I have used it have been amazing though, as you said.


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Re: How traumatizing can a bad Salvia trip be? [Re: Seventy]
    #7475456 - 10/01/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Intent, set, and setting can't be stressed enough with this drug.


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