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propane
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All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers?
#7473174 - 10/01/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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AA= All American
hi mates! im new user here, but i follow u and other comunity from several years... I tried to find some about AA, but nothing of intersting... ive some questions about these PC: right now my first problem is the progressive lowering of PSI in my normal PC probably bacause the limestone nick the control vavle, so whit the progressive use PSI come down and the Jars get the cantaminations.
changing normal PC whith an AA PC that problem it will change? better use distillated water? AA control vavlel look better, and it seem more easy to clean out for the limestone. i need continuity, i use PC daily.
vavles look different: PC, u can choose the PSI (5-10-15)
Sterilizer (only 17)
another question: the big difference about AA Sterilizer and AA PC is the level of PSI during the process. 17psi for the sterilizer a 15 for the PC. i use 500ml jars( is half quart, quart is 946ml)whit millet per 1h. millet could be crush whit 17psi? I would have to diminish the process time? for you is better Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers?
i come from europe, i use PC at 600m( 1968 ft) thx all
Edited by propane (10/01/07 09:00 AM)
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RogerRabbit
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: propane]
#7474700 - 10/01/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The AA is the best pressure cooker by far. I use tap water, not distilled. If you get a lot of calcium buildup from tap water, then go ahead and use distilled, but it's not necessary.
If you're using brown rice flour, 45 minutes for your 500ml jars is plenty at 15psi/100kpa, and your elevation. If you're cooking grains, I'd use 60 to 90 minutes, depending on if you're using 500ml or 1 liter jars. RR
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7504129 - 10/10/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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RR's hit it on the head, as usual. What type do you have now? Sounds like you have extremely hard water and would benefit from using either distilled or R/O water.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: Agave]
#7507526 - 10/10/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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> I would have to diminish the process time?
Process time will be about the same either way. 30 min for half pint jars is plenty. 60 minutes is enough for quart jars of grain IME.
2000 ft. isn't high enough to worry about any elevation adjustment.
> for you is better Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers?
There are advantages either way. A sterilizer will be a lot quieter, use less water, and use less energy. I'd probably go with a sterilizer if I was in the market, but you can't go wrong either way. PCs get kind of loud and annoying, and steam up your house a bit.
I can highly recommend AA pressure cookers. They are nearly indestructible, even with the worst of abuse.
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propane
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: fastfred]
#7523471 - 10/16/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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first thx to all for the answers. finally i opt for AA PC 21 quart capacity for 350$ whit ship chargers.
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I can highly recommend AA pressure cookers. They are nearly indestructible, even with the worst of abuse.
made in USA
thanks again to the shroomery comunity.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: propane]
#7524869 - 10/16/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a good one. The 921 can hold ten quart jars. Seven standing upright, with three laying on their sides on top. RR
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7528966 - 10/17/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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A little steep on the price though. I got my 930 several months ago for approx. $300. That was off ebay. I tried using craigslist for 4 or 5 months prior and i went to a lot of thrift and goodwill stores and found nothing. I know i wanted an AA so i had to splurge and make the biggest investment in the hobby thus far. Twas well worth the $$$. You will love it!
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#7529058 - 10/17/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bought a 41qt Sterilizer and got it about two weeks ago...upon measuring out my LC for mixing/sterilizing I noticed GOD DAMN UPS fucking SMASHED the shit out of it! The handle brackets were bent, and the handle had a crack on it, not to mention the 3 pieces (all threaded) were BENT that make up the main pressure valve.
The point of my story is: I called up the company (I ordered directly from all american cookers .com) And I talked to a really nice lady and they are shipping me a new one, free of charge.
I was thinking I was going to have to pay for shipping (of the lid) which would be spendy + buy a new valve/hose ect!!!
All American! wooo!
*bald eagle swoops by and tanks roll over hill amongst the stench of hotdogs*
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#7529064 - 10/17/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah my 930 was $300 or so too... if you have time to kill then shop the thrift stores but like furrowedbrow said most of the time youll be SooL
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: primordialoddity]
#7529166 - 10/17/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't seen it printed anywhere just how many jars the 41Qt. Sterilizer can hold. I assume it would be similar to the PC, but it appears to be smaller inside. If you could test fit some jars it would be greatly appreciated. Interested in quart and pints (wide mouth). Thanks man.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: Androctonus]
#7529210 - 10/17/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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primordialoddity
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: Brainiac]
#7529744 - 10/18/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I plan on LC - Spawnbags...so I won't really be doing quanity of jars...I do recall on a few sites when shopping online for mine; they included the ACTUAL quart measurements after the normal quart measurement, just look it up.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: primordialoddity]
#7529962 - 10/18/07 02:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since the sterilizers are not for canning, there won't be numbers for jars that they don't recommend using it for. If I could just look it up I wouldn't have asked. Thanks for replying.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: Androctonus]
#7531609 - 10/18/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Sterilizer:
Capacity - 41 Quarts (Liquid) Overall Height - 19 inches Bottom Height - 14 1/4 inches Inside Diameter - 15 1/4 inches
Inner Container:
Inside Depth - 10 1/2 inches Inside Diameter - 14 inches Circumference - 44 1/2 inches Capacity - 28 Quarts"
28 quarts.
THe rest of the models are listed:
http://www.allamericancooker.com/
ps - I just got my replacement today, with NO paperwork for a return on my damaged one? wtf? I guess I have another 1941x if I spend like 80 on replacement parts! next go around...sweet.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: primordialoddity]
#7531926 - 10/18/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Excellent dude that's exactly what I needed. Thanks man. Let me know if you need some spores.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: Androctonus]
#7532128 - 10/18/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a syringe of B+, Ecuador, Brazilian, and Golden Teachers...but I have a list of other strains I wanna try, I've only done pf tek (ages ago) and now I am goin LC - Rye Spawn Bags/cased 50 50...should be fun, since I got my replacement sterilizer I'm gonna start up a couple LCs...as soon as this fucking flu/cold shit stands down a bit. errr.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: primordialoddity]
#7535259 - 10/19/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i bought on sporeworks.com, very good comunications. the big problem for us(european ppl)r the shipping cost(141$) and tax, because whit our money (€) buy in dollard si very convenient. i hope in a safety delivery whitout Primordialoddity's problem! 41 quart is HUGE
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: primordialoddity]
#7536870 - 10/19/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
primordialoddity said: "Sterilizer:
Capacity - 41 Quarts (Liquid) Overall Height - 19 inches Bottom Height - 14 1/4 inches Inside Diameter - 15 1/4 inches
Inner Container:
Inside Depth - 10 1/2 inches Inside Diameter - 14 inches Circumference - 44 1/2 inches Capacity - 28 Quarts"
28 quarts.
THe rest of the models are listed:
http://www.allamericancooker.com/
ps - I just got my replacement today, with NO paperwork for a return on my damaged one? wtf? I guess I have another 1941x if I spend like 80 on replacement parts! next go around...sweet.
I'd give them a call and ask them about it. Ultimately loss like that just drives up the cost for all of us. Anyway, i have such respect for their cookers that i would want to return it back to them.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#7537604 - 10/19/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've talked with them twice and the first time they told me that they may or may not send me shipping instructions, in regards to the damaged 1941x, so don't blame me for shit. I paid them 500 fucking dollars and UPS smashed the HELL out of my package.
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: primordialoddity]
#7537939 - 10/20/07 12:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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What did ups have to say about it ?....
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primordialoddity
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Re: All American, Sterilizers or Pressure Cookers? [Re: Brainiac]
#7538188 - 10/20/07 03:05 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno but I hate those bastards, my guitar ($600) was DENTED all the way through the finish and then some into the body, mahagony...the guy I bought it from worked VERY diligently with me against ups. It was fully insured, I got nothing. They drew out the whole claim process soooo long, by the time shit went through or whatever, it was to late, they are sneaky bastards...shipping insurance is useless basically...
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Re: All American FREE MANUALS 1941X 1925 1915... [Re: primordialoddity]
#8190206 - 03/25/08 02:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Greetings all,
I've been reading through some older posts here, and thought I'd contribute a few tidbits for searchers that might land in this thread.
I noticed a couple good posts with basic operational instructions, and a post with a link to All American pressure cookers. Since the AA sterilizers (autoclaves) are slightly different, this link to the >>manufacturer<< might be useful for people searching here under model 1941X (or 1915 or 1925) for parts or documentation:
https://store.wafco.com/ezmerchant/home.nsf
Note that when one searches under "All American" on Google, etc. that a myriad of look-alikes will appear. For example, in this thread, a poster stated he "ordered direct" from All American Canning --that is just a retailer, not the manufacturer (Wisconsin Aluminum Foundry is the maker).
I'd prefer to buy from a sponsor here or at least from a fungi company, whenever possible.
Online searches for 1941X manuals will often take you to retailers that list the manuals for up to $59! Or you can get them for free at https://store.wafco.com/ezmerchant/products.nsf/Subjects/ProductManual
The manuals have great info regarding altitude corrections (sterilization pressure of 15-17 psi, for example, is only valid at sea level. If you're 6,000 ft up in the mountains, you'll need ~19psi. Perhaps a reason for some failures?
Also someone asked about cleaning a stained PC and a response was to use aluminum polish --please be careful to avoid using any abrasives on the metal-to-metal bevel seal! The AA stuff looks like a tank, but the seal is actually quite fragile. It is CNC machined to very close tolerances. Always inspect the bevel on flea-market equipment (and consider new pressure controllers / emergency blow-out plugs) before you even use it once. There is often a reason its at the flea market or eBay for $5.
Also one of the otherwise good posts, advised moving the PC off the hot burner... I disagree. Just turn off the heat and wait for the PC to cool. Never move a pressurized cooker.
Be safe.
Regards, Mark
Edited by reptiles (03/25/08 03:13 AM)
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