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I want to die
    #7472546 - 10/01/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ego Death. I have yet to experience it and I was hoping for a few tips on how to help it along. I tripped before and I'm familiar with the effects, so I'm not to worried about freaking out, but i've never taken more than about 2 grams.

Also i'm debating whether to eat these in 1 or 2 doses, I've heard its easier to "induce" ego death at higher doses (don't have a scale though :frown: )

I have some dried ones and a single, decent sized fresh one.



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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7472568 - 10/01/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

in relative terms of ego death, 2grams is not much.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7472638 - 10/01/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I did not experience what I would say ego is loss but only once at four grams, and this was by no means full ego death. I can't really give you any advice on how to get to ego death other than taking more.

I can't see meditating hurting by any means.

edit: how many times have you tripped? I would not rush into trying to transcend your ego without much experience and preparation. It can be a very terrifying experience if you are unprepared.


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7472719 - 10/01/07 01:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's not true. You don't need "preparation" to have an ego death. :rolleyes:


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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7472739 - 10/01/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ego death is a term thats thrown about wayyy too often in the psychedelic community.

You can reach a state of detachment on pretty much any dose if you're willing to let go. 2 grams and a deep long meditation will certainly help if you want to experience nothingness (in all its terrifying euphoric beauty) :grin:


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Re: I want to die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7472763 - 10/01/07 02:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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That's not true. You don't need "preparation" to have an ego death. :rolleyes:




No, I was not saying you need preparation to experience it, but that you would want to prepare your self by reading up on it and having more experience with tripping in general. It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.

Again, I don't claim to have experienced ego death, so I'm sure other members could have more useful advice than I.


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7472771 - 10/01/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think you're ever "prepared" for an ego death. Especially the first. :shrug:


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Re: I want to die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7472778 - 10/01/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think you're ever "prepared" for an ego death. Especially the first. :shrug:




I can't really say I'd argue with that. When I experienced what I believe to be ego loss, that was by far the most terrified I have ever been in my life. I can't describe the fear I felt, I was in a really great mindset going into the trip too. I can't imagine how complete ego death would be.


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Re: I want to die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7472782 - 10/01/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When you use the term "ego-death", does that mean a state where you perceive things but you are not aware of your own sentience? That seems how it is being used, I could be wrong though.

Ego as far as I understand has to do with pride and personal will.


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Re: I want to die [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7472800 - 10/01/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think there are stages of what one might call ego death.
For me it is when I just don't have any notion of "myself" anymore.


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Re: I want to die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7472930 - 10/01/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have actually come close (I think, who really knows) but never quite able to achieve It. I have tripped probably about 8 times. I usually meditate before I eat them and while i'm coming up I just relax, eat, drink, and watch things breath. After about an hour I lie down close, my eyes and think about the universe, perception, reality, and stuff like that. After that i find it too difficult to clear my thoughts to really meditate, I usually just end up watching the CEVs. Also, as I don't a scale scale the 2 grams was a rough estimate. A couple times had vomited half way threw eating them... lame. The first time I tripped I really had no idea how many I took and I believe that was the closest to ego death I have ever come.


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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7473089 - 10/01/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I never had an ego death from shrooms but I had many from Salvia. heres what it is.....
When it rips you from your body and it is very real at the time and you forget you smoked Salvia and you think your body just died and that you are passing on and you have to let go of your life here and all your friends and loved ones.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Cepheus]
    #7473313 - 10/01/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ego death is a term thats thrown about wayyy too often in the psychedelic community.

You can reach a state of detachment on pretty much any dose if you're willing to let go. 2 grams and a deep long meditation will certainly help if you want to experience nothingness (in all its terrifying euphoric beauty) :grin:




Really good point. It is far more complex than what people are saying on the Internet. It happens on many different levels. It is also personal and different for many people. To say "I want ego death" is a statement that carries little meaning unless you go though a taking apart of it. Be careful what you wish for.


Why do you want egodeath? So you can gloat about it on the Shroomery? Once you are in mushroom space you will see what a goofy statement like "I want egodeath" is...


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Re: I want to die [Re: cpw1971]
    #7473333 - 10/01/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My first trip ever (1/8 of some REALLY potent shrooms) I had what I believe to be complete ego death (no sense of self, reality, even the idea of being an individual made no sense to me, was more feeling the "universal consciousness" vibe) but I've never had anything close to it sense then.  I've eaten many an eighth of shrooms to the face since then as well as quite a few hits of potent LSD (never more than 3 hits tho) and I still haven't come close to that experience.  At the time it was just crazy as fuck and actually freaked me out pretty hard (quit drugs for a while), but now that I have a bit more experience under my belt I think I should be able to appreciate it more.  My next trip will probably be a large amount of LSD (4+ hits of some really nice blotter) or 5+ grams of some nice shroomies.  I'm crossing my fingers and hoping both of those will be able to get me there :eek:


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Re: I want to die [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7473607 - 10/01/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Actually one of the very reasons I want to experienece ego death IS so I can gloat about on the shroomery. It's nothing of a spiritual nature, just something I can put on my throphy shelf and say I did.


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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7473682 - 10/01/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

After reading through the replies I've decided that experience is more important than dose size so I'm only eating half of what I have. I also realize that ego death will happen when you're ready for it to, but I don't think its wrong to want to experience it or to ask for tips to create an enviroment that would allow for it to happen more easily. Thanks for all the input, I'm going to continue to perfect my meditating method, and to skroomadom, I wish you the best of luck.


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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7474426 - 10/01/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ego Death. I have yet to experience it and I was hoping for a few tips on how to help it along. I tripped before and I'm familiar with the effects, so I'm not to worried about freaking out, but i've never taken more than about 2 grams.

Also i'm debating whether to eat these in 1 or 2 doses, I've heard its easier to "induce" ego death at higher doses (don't have a scale though :frown: )

I have some dried ones and a single, decent sized fresh one.






Take a couple whippets at the peak of the trip. Learning to meditate can help too.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7474944 - 10/01/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What's a whippet?


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7474964 - 10/01/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A cartridge of Nirtous Oxide (laughing gas) sold as whip cream propellant. You get a cracker and a balloon or if you have money a whip cream dispenser (nitrous bong) and inhale the gas and hold it ten seconds. If you do two (at once or back to back) you get a 20 second or so ego loss/out of body experience. It works wonders on psychedelics if you need to break through. Look it up on erowid.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7475312 - 10/01/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've experienced Ego Loss. Complete loss of consciousness and reality.


I was also on 8 grams and had no clue what I was experiencing at the time. Only until like a week ago did I know what happened to me.


Now my friend who was also on 8 g's, well his Ego Loss was a little bit more extreme. I was able to snap out of mine and grasp reality, he couldn't do that.


Be forewarned, be careful what you wish for. It is an extremely overwhelming experience, also extremely confusing. I wouldn't suggest trying to make it happen, unless you know your absolutely ready on a mental state.

In all honesty not everyone can handle such an experience, like I said in some of my other post. I was so "fucked" up in my mind, it was easier to accept the fact that life was over, then figure anything else out. Now if you think you can handle something like that, here is some ways to do it without meditating.


I suggest more then a 1/8, if your serious about it.
Sit in one spot, don't move around, don't play games, don't watch tv. Just sit there and think.

and if your really daring, sit in the dark with no lights. You'll be chillin in the void, then when you start to peak, hasta la vista baby.


Edited by MindGorilla (10/01/07 08:11 PM)


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Re: I want to die [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7475395 - 10/01/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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...I was so "fucked" up in my mind, it was easier to accept the fact that life was over, then figure anything else out...




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Re: I want to die [Re: Cepheus]
    #7475432 - 10/01/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ego death is a term thats thrown about wayyy too often in the psychedelic community.



I too think that it's way overused, and gets a little old. On the other hand though, are there any other terms that describe the extreme psychedelic experience as well? Ego death is just so perfect in summing up the baffling paradox that is the high dose psychedelic experience, fits perfect.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Robo]
    #7475436 - 10/01/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think so too.

I think the lame trend for people around here is to claim that the "ego death" term is thrown around too often. What else is it supposed to be called? Seems to fit just right, imo.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Seventy]
    #7476227 - 10/02/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think the whole Ego death thing comes from Timothy Leary's take on the Tibetan Book of the Dead and Ego loss state of the first Bardo (ie after you die but also related to Psychedelic use while physically alive).

http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/psychedelic_experience/tib21.html


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Re: I want to die [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7476651 - 10/02/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You do realize, that you can actually DIE doing this.


be careful what you wish for. Been there done that. Lucky i'm still here and yet, i wouldn't not do it if i could go back because it was one of those things....


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Re: I want to die [Re: suave]
    #7477426 - 10/02/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive thought about this too, and since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.

Although it might be a funny way to go, and probably says a little about my sense of humour, I wouldnt want to be scraped off the pavement along with the no parking paint.

I havent ever experienced ego death, and I dont know if I would be concious enough to NOT do something stupid. Esp. since I wouldnt be doing it with someone around (no one around that can trip sit me, since Im the only one among my friends who trips or has ever tripped).

Can you guys give me a clearer picture of this? I know you lose sense of reality and enter the vooid if done right, but Ive heard so many stories of (and read many trips reports) of people getting naked and running around, when they didnt even know where and who they were.

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Re: I want to die [Re: gmuralid]
    #7477525 - 10/02/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For us, we just sat there. There was nothing else I could figure out to do, but just sit in silence.


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7477693 - 10/02/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7477852 - 10/02/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive thought about this too, and since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.





Smart move because that is definitely a possibility. You wouldn't be the first to go out like that. The sad thing is you wouldn't be the last either.


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7478642 - 10/02/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.




True, but more so the process of losing it is what I meant. After your ego is completely gone I would imagine you really have no emotion. You just see the world for what it truly is and you become that world.


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7478955 - 10/02/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I thought I had an "ego death" on shrooms and acid before but then I smoked DMT. Like Cepheus said the term is used to much, people are starting to think of it as the "ultimate psychedelic experience". I think every dosage is taking away your ego for a few hours. Also remember there isn't much you will bring back from a ego death for it is impossible to explain. You only really have it while you are experiencing it.


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7479364 - 10/02/07 11:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.





Just because you have no ego, doesn't mean you don't have thoughts.


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Re: I want to die [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7479406 - 10/03/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You only really have it while you are experiencing it.





Can't argue the truth in that.


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Re: I want to die [Re: gmuralid]
    #7479688 - 10/03/07 04:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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gmuralid said:since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.



Ego death won't make you any more likely to jump out of a window. It'll just make you think you're dead, for a bit.

Try 7g or 10g and I'd be suprised if you don't experience it. But expect some unpleasant moments. I think meditation is more about accepting/enjoying ego death than getting there in the first place


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Re: I want to die [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7479703 - 10/03/07 04:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive thought about this too, and since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.





Smart move because that is definitely a possibility. You wouldn't be the first to go out like that. The sad thing is you wouldn't be the last either.



classic anti-LSD scaremongering. I bet far more people have jumped/fallen out of windows when drunk.


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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7479928 - 10/03/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

dude... at least buy a scale!


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7481195 - 10/03/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.




Exactly, If "you" are thinking this is death then you still have your ego.
If you are afraid, you have not reached ego death.
You can experience a loss of center or a loss of perception of your body, but that is not it either.
If you have any thoughts at all, then you have not reached ego death.

Ego death is nothingness. you can't know it when it happens, only after.
It can be terrifying when your ego first returns to you and you don't know who you are yet.

I've been there several times and I prefer to tripping to nothingness.


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Re: I want to die [Re: El Zorro]
    #7481359 - 10/03/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ego-death is a VERY personal experience.

First you will feel your life as you know it (memories and so on) slip away. Kind of like you are leaving yourself. Like the life you were living, was only part of the big picture, and that it never really meant anything atall.

Everything in your life was never really real, and was of no true significance, and the great emotions and memories you ever experience were truly.. nothing. And now it is time to say goodbye to everything you have ever known, and come to the other side where you are no longer "you" but you "are".


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Re: I want to die [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7481380 - 10/03/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And most people are never prepared for ego death because it is very hard to say goodbye to everything you have ever known, and not knwing what else is to come.

Any aspecs of your life (such a people, places or thoughts) that ever made you feel comfortable and at home, will begin to vanish. Then where is your home? Where is your comfort? You are stepping unto the unknown and it is very freightning. The only thing you can do is let go, go with the flow.. Don't hold on to yourself or any part of you, because then you will begin to fight, and things will turn for the worst.

It's like putting a gun to your head... and you have to trust that pulling trigger is not the end and that there is much to be learned, and you WILL be back... but its hard to convince yourself o that when the gun has already been loaded and about to fire...


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Re: I want to die [Re: El Zorro]
    #7482294 - 10/03/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If you have any thoughts at all, then you have not reached ego death.




Ego means the sense of being an individual with a personality and past experiences. Nothing to do with having thoughts or not.


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Re: I want to die [Re: El Zorro]
    #7482485 - 10/03/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.




Exactly, If "you" are thinking this is death then you still have your ego.
If you are afraid, you have not reached ego death.
You can experience a loss of center or a loss of perception of your body, but that is not it either.
If you have any thoughts at all, then you have not reached ego death.

Ego death is nothingness. you can't know it when it happens, only after.
It can be terrifying when your ego first returns to you and you don't know who you are yet.

I've been there several times and I prefer to tripping to nothingness.





Like I said in my earlier post, I didn't know what had happened to me until very recently. That trip was almost 6 months ago. Now if you are having no thoughts, and there is absolutely nothing, how would one ever know if they experienced it or not? Even after you came out of it, you would have no recollection of what just happened, because you had no thoughts, right?


I wasn't thinking this is death, I was beyond the point of realizing reality and any human concepts, but I still had thoughts. The thought that I didn't know what was going on was rapidly occurring somewhere in my head, mind you I had never heard of ego death.

I remember thoughts like; what the fuck is happening to me, and I accepted the fact that my life was over and that was it. Everything was pointless and it didn't matter if I ever snapped out of it. You can say I didn't experience it, but I believe I did. I wasn't scared during all of this, because like I said, I couldn't grasp concepts. I just said "it can be" extremely scary and overwhelming. I had no choice but to accept the feeling and go with it, and I'm sure if you do reach this point, you wouldn't be scared. I couldn't tell you how long it lasted for, except the fact that when I came out of it, I didn't know what had happened. I just figured it was in correlation to the dosage we took.


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Re: I want to die [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7483254 - 10/03/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MindGorilla said:
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El Zorro said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.




Exactly, If "you" are thinking this is death then you still have your ego.
If you are afraid, you have not reached ego death.
You can experience a loss of center or a loss of perception of your body, but that is not it either.
If you have any thoughts at all, then you have not reached ego death.

Ego death is nothingness. you can't know it when it happens, only after.
It can be terrifying when your ego first returns to you and you don't know who you are yet.

I've been there several times and I prefer to tripping to nothingness.





I remember thoughts like; what the fuck is happening to me, and I accepted the fact that my life was over and that was it. Everything was pointless and it didn't matter if I ever snapped out of it. You can say I didn't experience it, but I believe I did. I wasn't scared during all of this, because like I said, I couldn't grasp concepts. I just said "it can be" extremely scary and overwhelming. I had no choice but to accept the feeling and go with it, and I'm sure if you do reach this point, you wouldn't be scared. I couldn't tell you how long it lasted for, except the fact that when I came out of it, I didn't know what had happened.




What is happening to "ME"
"MY" life was over


See all the ego in that?

"When I came out of it I didn't know what happened."

I believe you are saying the same thing as me.
It's just very hard to explain without using the first person.
First person = ego


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