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Re: I want to die [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7475395 - 10/01/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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...I was so "fucked" up in my mind, it was easier to accept the fact that life was over, then figure anything else out...




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Re: I want to die [Re: Cepheus]
    #7475432 - 10/01/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ego death is a term thats thrown about wayyy too often in the psychedelic community.



I too think that it's way overused, and gets a little old. On the other hand though, are there any other terms that describe the extreme psychedelic experience as well? Ego death is just so perfect in summing up the baffling paradox that is the high dose psychedelic experience, fits perfect.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Robo]
    #7475436 - 10/01/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think so too.

I think the lame trend for people around here is to claim that the "ego death" term is thrown around too often. What else is it supposed to be called? Seems to fit just right, imo.


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Re: I want to die [Re: Seventy]
    #7476227 - 10/02/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think the whole Ego death thing comes from Timothy Leary's take on the Tibetan Book of the Dead and Ego loss state of the first Bardo (ie after you die but also related to Psychedelic use while physically alive).

http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/psychedelic_experience/tib21.html


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Re: I want to die [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7476651 - 10/02/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You do realize, that you can actually DIE doing this.


be careful what you wish for. Been there done that. Lucky i'm still here and yet, i wouldn't not do it if i could go back because it was one of those things....


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Re: I want to die [Re: suave]
    #7477426 - 10/02/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive thought about this too, and since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.

Although it might be a funny way to go, and probably says a little about my sense of humour, I wouldnt want to be scraped off the pavement along with the no parking paint.

I havent ever experienced ego death, and I dont know if I would be concious enough to NOT do something stupid. Esp. since I wouldnt be doing it with someone around (no one around that can trip sit me, since Im the only one among my friends who trips or has ever tripped).

Can you guys give me a clearer picture of this? I know you lose sense of reality and enter the vooid if done right, but Ive heard so many stories of (and read many trips reports) of people getting naked and running around, when they didnt even know where and who they were.

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Re: I want to die [Re: gmuralid]
    #7477525 - 10/02/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For us, we just sat there. There was nothing else I could figure out to do, but just sit in silence.


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7477693 - 10/02/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7477852 - 10/02/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive thought about this too, and since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.





Smart move because that is definitely a possibility. You wouldn't be the first to go out like that. The sad thing is you wouldn't be the last either.


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7478642 - 10/02/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.




True, but more so the process of losing it is what I meant. After your ego is completely gone I would imagine you really have no emotion. You just see the world for what it truly is and you become that world.


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Re: I want to die [Re: krypto2000]
    #7478955 - 10/02/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I thought I had an "ego death" on shrooms and acid before but then I smoked DMT. Like Cepheus said the term is used to much, people are starting to think of it as the "ultimate psychedelic experience". I think every dosage is taking away your ego for a few hours. Also remember there isn't much you will bring back from a ego death for it is impossible to explain. You only really have it while you are experiencing it.


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7479364 - 10/02/07 11:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.





Just because you have no ego, doesn't mean you don't have thoughts.


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Re: I want to die [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7479406 - 10/03/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You only really have it while you are experiencing it.





Can't argue the truth in that.


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Re: I want to die [Re: gmuralid]
    #7479688 - 10/03/07 04:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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gmuralid said:since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.



Ego death won't make you any more likely to jump out of a window. It'll just make you think you're dead, for a bit.

Try 7g or 10g and I'd be suprised if you don't experience it. But expect some unpleasant moments. I think meditation is more about accepting/enjoying ego death than getting there in the first place


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Re: I want to die [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7479703 - 10/03/07 04:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive thought about this too, and since I live on the sixth floor of an aprtment building (top floor) and have an outside terrace attached to my apartment, I have considered, but mostly figured AGAINST attempting this kind of thing, coz I dont know whether I might just not know what I was doing and end up as a splatter in the no parking spot below.





Smart move because that is definitely a possibility. You wouldn't be the first to go out like that. The sad thing is you wouldn't be the last either.



classic anti-LSD scaremongering. I bet far more people have jumped/fallen out of windows when drunk.


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Re: I want to die [Re: DBgameace]
    #7479928 - 10/03/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

dude... at least buy a scale!


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Re: I want to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7481195 - 10/03/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It can be extremely overwhelming and scary if you don't know what your getting yourself into.





If you have no ego, there is no one to be scared.




Exactly, If "you" are thinking this is death then you still have your ego.
If you are afraid, you have not reached ego death.
You can experience a loss of center or a loss of perception of your body, but that is not it either.
If you have any thoughts at all, then you have not reached ego death.

Ego death is nothingness. you can't know it when it happens, only after.
It can be terrifying when your ego first returns to you and you don't know who you are yet.

I've been there several times and I prefer to tripping to nothingness.


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Re: I want to die [Re: El Zorro]
    #7481359 - 10/03/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ego-death is a VERY personal experience.

First you will feel your life as you know it (memories and so on) slip away. Kind of like you are leaving yourself. Like the life you were living, was only part of the big picture, and that it never really meant anything atall.

Everything in your life was never really real, and was of no true significance, and the great emotions and memories you ever experience were truly.. nothing. And now it is time to say goodbye to everything you have ever known, and come to the other side where you are no longer "you" but you "are".


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Re: I want to die [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7481380 - 10/03/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And most people are never prepared for ego death because it is very hard to say goodbye to everything you have ever known, and not knwing what else is to come.

Any aspecs of your life (such a people, places or thoughts) that ever made you feel comfortable and at home, will begin to vanish. Then where is your home? Where is your comfort? You are stepping unto the unknown and it is very freightning. The only thing you can do is let go, go with the flow.. Don't hold on to yourself or any part of you, because then you will begin to fight, and things will turn for the worst.

It's like putting a gun to your head... and you have to trust that pulling trigger is not the end and that there is much to be learned, and you WILL be back... but its hard to convince yourself o that when the gun has already been loaded and about to fire...


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Re: I want to die [Re: El Zorro]
    #7482294 - 10/03/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If you have any thoughts at all, then you have not reached ego death.




Ego means the sense of being an individual with a personality and past experiences. Nothing to do with having thoughts or not.


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