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PhanTomCat
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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: moon_glue]
#7468434 - 09/29/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, you are contemplating that manipulation is within my existence.... Do you think it is an emotional reaction, or simply an ego indulgence....?
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moon_glue
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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7470458 - 09/30/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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there we go again with that damn "e" word
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Rahz
Alive Again


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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: moon_glue]
#7470616 - 09/30/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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My take is that it depends on the type of manipulation you have in mind. If a person is open to help, you help them. If a person isn't open to help, the best help you can give them is to lead by example, and they will notice. It doesn't mean they will react to it, but your example will always be there in their mind if they care to use it.
Manipulation can be bad and still produce results at the same time. In other words, they may do things to please you, but not themselves. They may improve in some way, but they will feel like they're inferior and being drug along, and they will remember that too.
Manipulation also affects the manipulator. How's it feel to think other people must be manipulated in order to improve? A lifetime of manipulation, the big father who knows best, putting all his energy into changing the world, only to end up bald with a handful of hair.
Why not let people be losers? It's what they want. To believe otherwise is to believe that you are inherently superior, and they are inherently inferior. You'll have them worshiping you or hating you before they learn anything of real value. If you can present a lesson in a manner that is exciting and obviously worth their time, they may be open to learning from you. If you can't, they either don't want to learn at present, or your lessons are lacking.
I'm not saying that manipulation is a bad thing, but all the participants must be willing. If you can find that spark of desire behind the negative attitude, the manipulation will be very easy. If all you connect with is the resistance, the manipulation will be very difficult.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7470695 - 09/30/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Of course, had you been born a female you would have learned from an early age how to manipulate every man alive by effectively alternating charm with pouting or tears as each situation dictates. Women don't have to ask about manipulation, they just MANipulate.
This is one of the most ignorant things I've read. First of all it doesn't apply to all the cases and then, why blame it all on women? From what I know, nobody's "manipulated" without their admission. It's just good to keep that in mind because you just made an error in thinking, an error which most certainly takes from one's ability to enjoy life.
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Rahz
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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7470713 - 09/30/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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krypto2000
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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7470736 - 09/30/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say if you want to manipulate your friends you should ask first why you want to be friends with these people, or more importantly, why they want to be friends with you. If you feel the need to change them then you probably are not good friends.
All people have bad and good qualities. I would say you need to focus more on the good and just accept the bad. Not that you should not strive for improvement, we always should, but things that are out of your control you can only accept them as they are.
If something a friend is doing bothers you then it is my belief that you should talk to them about it and explain your stance on things. If they are truly a friend they will understand. Depending on what the problem is they may very well not want to listen and be offended by what you are saying and this is ok. Over time they will think about what you have said and realize that if you were not truly their friend then you would not be honest with them in the first place. If they do not realize this then you could try talking to them again or realize that it is not worth your time and move on.
This is merely my opinion and what I would do, I do not claim this is the right thing to do, that is up to the individual to decide.
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ajdaak
raver for life



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Re: a little less spirituality and a little more... [Re: Icelander]
#7470740 - 09/30/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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what i have learned about trying to steer anyone in a direction is you can only tell them the things you have learned in life ans tell your experiences and hopefully they learn to but if you push them most likely you will loose friends
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