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Knowledge is a theory?
    #7461268 - 09/27/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

World views, self truths, what you think is right.
Nothing is absolute in the world. So what you know is irrelevant. What you think is what you say you know.

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: mrc]
    #7461295 - 09/27/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm confused about what you're trying to postulate. Perhaps you could articulate your argument a little less poetically?

Referencing your post, what a person thinks is right. But this goes against a priori logic. For instance, 1 person thinks the world is black another thinks it's white. Clearly, this cannot be true; it violates the law of contradiction.

Regarding knowledge being irrelevant, the pragamatic benefits of knowledge must be accounted for. Certainly, you wouldn't be typing at a computer unless knowledge was relevant.

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: mrc] * 1
    #7461364 - 09/27/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

So what you know is irrelevant.

How so? I know how to drive my car. How is that irrelevant?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: mrc]
    #7461425 - 09/27/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

knowledge is only impressive if you need to use it for important things on a daily.

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: mrc]
    #7461489 - 09/27/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

"World views, self truths, what you think is right."

These are essentially opinions, beliefs, ideas.
I think knowledge, and therefore wisdom, comes in the process of validating these mostly preconceived notions, um...  slowly, and having the ability to duck out of one and into another most gracefully and efficiently while keeping your glow.

Patience is the key.  Not what necessarily opens the lock.

Love, man.  Learn it or get schooled.  Fuckin hurts to be shamed by your own lack of 'all of the above'.  Especially when its faster anyway.

Nothing like burning man.  Never been, but I hear its quite the gathering of characters.  I also have a hunch that there's a bunch of love and a punch of mixed feelings about the dealing.

Still reeling, that squealing feeling is not appealing.
Willy nilly and all psyilly is really, really, really...  really.?.?
Hillbilly don't dilly dally cause Sally needs a pally and Sammy is all clammy.
Whammy.

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: mrc]
    #7462469 - 09/27/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Nietzsche would say that all knowledge is simply interpretation, it is not true in any ultimate way. There is no such thing as reality or knowledge thereof. Everything one claims to know is merely a reflection of themselves and has more to do with the individual than what is really 'out there.' So long as an idea 'works' it is worth holding on to, but once it no longer has 'survival value' it ought to be jettisoned.

This seems to be in the realm of what you're talking about...

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7462519 - 09/27/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

On the topic of Nietzsche, he also says knowledge is used to impose order on our world and then take pride on this honor, in a defense mechanism which makes us feel comfortable in an actual hostile world in which nothing is guaranteed.

An idea is worth holding on to if it keeps the individual surviving and the order of society surviving (after all, we are social animals).


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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7462588 - 09/27/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

World views, self truths, what you think is right.
Nothing is absolute in the world. So what you know is irrelevant. What you think is what you say you know.





You say nothing is absolute, thereby stating an absolute.

You say nothing is absolute, but how do you know? Can you give more of an explanation?

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7464257 - 09/28/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

indeed stating that knowledge is a theory in itself is stating an absolute. What are absolutes based off of. What the majority of a group says. If the majority of a group says that all young girl want when they are little is a pink pony parasol then that is what we state as a n absolute. If everyone said that knowledge is a theory then that would be an absolute cause of the majority decision. This argument can't be won. There are no sides there is just a realization of your own thoughts, and what you view them as.

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7464600 - 09/28/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)


On the topic of Nietzsche, he also says knowledge is used to impose order on our world and then take pride on this honor, in a defense mechanism which makes us feel comfortable in an actual hostile world in which nothing is guaranteed.


Yes


An idea is worth holding on to if it keeps the individual surviving and the order of society surviving (after all, we are social animals).

That's a matter of ones goals. If the goal is to fit the culture then yes. If one has personal goals in other directions than this may not apply. For instance you could make the case that Religion applies to your statement. But for some Religion is constraining.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: Icelander]
    #7464718 - 09/28/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

True, that is just one possibility. Some may choose to pursuit things like the Truth which would actually alienate them from most aspects of culture.


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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7464752 - 09/28/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If you mean personal truth then I agree.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7464857 - 09/28/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

plenty of things are revelant, weather or not they are absolute. Also plenty of things are absolute truths not based on majority opinon.explain the world being round when people thought it was flat. did it change? can this change? ect.

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Re: Knowledge is a theory? [Re: mrc]
    #7466306 - 09/29/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Knowledge is contextual, but it exists.
One shouldn't think to know to not being able to pass a wall, only because one has hit his head against it, but one learns to know that passing this wall with one's head is no good idea, what is a contextual absolute.


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