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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7492498 - 10/06/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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What crap. Move on from this poor poor pitiful native thing. It is irrelevant. If he doesn't want to be a part of the current nation that is the USA he can stay the fuck home. He doesn't just get to suck our titty and anyone making that wage is not pulling his weight.





Hey, most people who make that amount of money do the shit that you and I don't want to. And America's economy needs people like this, otherwise we wouldn't have our cheap produce or our manicured lawns. While I agree that he should have tried to do the "legal" thing, people who claim that immigrants are ruining this country don't realize that realize that these individuals are the support system that keeps YOUR life cushy and comfy.

If he has pay stubs, and was able to produce them, then he most definitely paid his taxes. He might not have filed, but he surely paid them. Otherwise, he would not have a stub to prove that the money was rightfully his.

Also, for those claiming that $30/day is not much to live off, you don't know how these people live. I grew up in a town FULL of illegals and they don't live like your or I, they live 20-30 people cramped into a tiny place. They don't eat like you or I either, they eat mostly beans and rice, not the "mexican" food one finds at don pablos or taco bell.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: trippindad82]
    #7492713 - 10/06/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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most people who make that amount of money do the shit that you and I don't want to.




That is a false statement that people like to quote to make it seem like they know what they are talking about. I am not necessarily referring to you but to most people who recycle that tired myth.

Of course many Americans would be willing to do these jobs if paid a decent wage! Hellllooo?? This fact tells you why the corporations want them here- to exploit their cheap labor, not because they are compassionate.

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people who claim that immigrants are ruining this country don't realize that realize that these individuals are the support system that keeps YOUR life cushy and comfy


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Nonsense.

Illegal aliens, not "immigrants" as you have called them, take more out of our country in the form of social services than they bring in.

They need to return to their countries of origin and apply for citizenship like everyone else.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: trippindad82]
    #7493529 - 10/07/07 03:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And America's economy needs people like this

This isn't true. NPR recently did a story on a town near Mexico that got tough on illegals. They put a big effort into rounding them up and exporting them back home.

Guess what happened to the local businesses that were illegally employing them? Did they suddenly find themselves without the labor they need to function?

Nope. A bunch of previously-unemployed LEGAL Asian immigrants immediately stepped in and took over the jobs, and at a fair (read: legal) wage.

This idea that the US somehow 'needs' illegals is politically correct bullshit.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: Diploid]
    #7493697 - 10/07/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am not necessarily talking about traditional businesses. And I didn't explain myself well enough.

Yes, if businesses paid more for certain jobs, then more people like you and I would do those jobs. However, being that bosses choose how much to pay a person to do a job, they will always support the idea that someone who cleans toilets is only worth minimum wage whilst someone who wears a shirt and tie and does nothing more than give orders below and suck dick from above is far more valuable. I think that corporate America has lost sight of what work really is. Unfortunately, you or I don't really get to choose what we make, which is a good thing and a bad thing.

And where I was saying that America NEEDS illegals is for your fresh produce. Would you want to toil away in fields picking vegetables/fruit all day in the heat/sun for minimum wage? Not I and not most people. For farmers whose costs for growing your food are rising (fuel, pesticides (not for myself as I eat organic) and more fuel) it is difficult to stay competitive AND make money. Many farmers end up going out of business per say because they can't make enough.

I also don't agree with the illegal migrant workers. I do know that they cost the US a lot of money in social programs. However, to keep your cost of living in check (with CHEAP foods), we unfortunately need these individuals. You might think differently, but go talk to a struggling farmer who is barely making ends meet and ask him who he would rather employ, an illegal who will accept anything or a legal who is going to demand more for his toil. I don't agree with the scenario that is forced upon the farmers, but don't hate them because YOU want your cheap produce. My solution? Kids need to stop being such little weenies and lets go back to how things were 50 years ago. My dad's first job in high school was picking fruit for the local farmer. In fact, many kids 50 years ago worked on farms. But, then again, kids today are pansies who would rather work for some corporate asshole who gives them some miniscule pay and discount wherever they work.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: trippindad82]
    #7493713 - 10/07/07 07:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You might think differently, but go talk to a struggling farmer who is barely making ends meet and ask him who he would rather employ, an illegal who will accept anything or a legal who is going to demand more for his toil.




Most of my relatives are farmers and the above is simply not true. Large corporate farms are the ones that hire illegals, and also happen to be the ones that put traditional farmers out of business. Small farmers support each other at harvest time, thus illegal aliens are not needed. The irony is that illegals actually cost small farmers more, not less, as the illegals allow large corporate farms to operate cheaply at the tax payers expense.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: trippindad82]
    #7493731 - 10/07/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And where I was saying that America NEEDS illegals is for your fresh produce.

Again, nope.

A large fraction of the illegals in that town NPR reported on worked migrant agriculture jobs. The LEGAL Asians were happy to take over and do the work legally.

You can ignore the truth and regurgitate the PC line all you like. The truth will still be the truth: there are enough LEGAL immigrants to do this work, and all the illegals do is keep the legal ones on the unemployment dole by virtue of their willingness to work for less than minimum wage.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: zorbman]
    #7493747 - 10/07/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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most people who make that amount of money do the shit that you and I don't want to.




That is a false statement that people like to quote to make it seem like they know what they are talking about. I am not necessarily referring to you but to most people who recycle that tired myth.



i've never seen whitie picking fruits or working on lawns
i've known fuckers who lost their job because an immigrant was willing to work for half the price for double the work
let them apply legally, thats fine. illegal thats not okay
this is a problem, yeah it is.
but shouldn't we focus on something bigger, as well.
like the fucking war thats getting troops slaughtered everyday
..gas prices?!


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: Diploid]
    #7493770 - 10/07/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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And where I was saying that America NEEDS illegals is for your fresh produce.

Again, nope.

A large fraction of the illegals in that town NPR reported on worked migrant agriculture jobs. The LEGAL Asians were happy to take over and do the work legally.

You can ignore the truth and regurgitate the PC line all you like. The truth will still be the truth: there are enough LEGAL immigrants to do this work, and all the illegals do is keep the legal one on the unemployment dole by virtue of their willingness to work for less than minimum wage.




So, then maybe the problem is NOT the illegals but the employers who employ them? And at the same time, having grown up in a community with a large population of illegals doing the work for farmers who were barely making a buck, I still say that many produce items would rise in price if they farmer had to pay more out of NOTHING.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7493773 - 10/07/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Bill Maher is as much of a douche as Rush Limbaugh


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7493849 - 10/07/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Bill Maher is as much of a douche as Rush Limbaugh




Even more. I'd tie him with O'Reilly. Both intellectual lightweight panderers. Limbaugh, not so much.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7493851 - 10/07/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Bill Maher is as much of a douche as Rush Limbaugh




Minus the political ties/power. Also, BM is not a circular talker like RL is and he also doesn't talk about something unless he knows what he is talking about.

I have no intention of derailing this thread.


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Re: Illegal Immigrant Loses $59,000 [Re: trippindad82]
    #7496062 - 10/08/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I still say that many produce items would rise in price if they farmer had to pay more out of NOTHING.

What is wrong with that? Do farmers not have the right to make a profit much the way union workers have a right to make a profit? While we are at it, why not fire all union workers and replace them with illegals so that everything is cheaper? Ooops... that logic doesn't work so well.


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