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    #7463376 - 09/28/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

okay i thought i had learned my lesson earlier this week when i made a batch of rye and used way to much coffee and over pc'ed the jars...

So last night i thought i had a plan... i measured out 10 cups rye,washed it 8 times. then i took an empty water gallon filled it half way water, added 1 cup of coffee regular strength,then added the rest water for 1 complete gallon. the water looked like tea. after i added that i could see i needed another gallon or two... so i did the same thing again.. after adding the second gallon of water + 1cup of coffee regular strength the water wasnt too bad... so i added another half gallon just water.. then added 2-2.5 teaspoons of gypsum and a couple pinches of hydrated lime... and stirred it really well... let it sit for an hour or two then came back to stir it up... i noticed the water looked darker... do you think two cups of regular coffee per 2.5 gallons water is over doing it or should i be fine???? after i stirred it up i got worried and took out about 12 cups of that water and added back just plain water just to be safe... but when i take some water in a cup the water looks like tea but when in the pot it looks dark.. help?


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: tony8404]
    #7463402 - 09/28/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it just looks dark in the pot you are fine.


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7463410 - 09/28/07 08:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so two cups of regular strength coffee to my 2.5 gallons of water isnt too much then ?? i should be fine??? do you think i should add some more gypsum so the grains do not stick together.. cause last time i did way too much coffee and the rye got very tacky and sticky..


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: tony8404]
    #7463415 - 09/28/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That is not too much. You should be fine. Don't stress so much.

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do you think i should add some more gypsum so the grains do not stick together..




You first post says you already added gypsum. Why add more?


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: simplemachine]
    #7463493 - 09/28/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

cause i had removed about 12 cups of that soaking water and added 12 cups back just plain water incase i had added to much coffee... so when i removed 12 cups that had gypsum already mixed in i thought i would have to add more due to removing 12 cups... i thought i had to put it back as well.. but other then that am i good to go with what i did?


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: tony8404]
    #7463496 - 09/28/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

im sure you're fine.

but in the future, i wouldnt mess around with such trivial procedures.

the grain would've worked on its own 5 days ago without coffee, and you might be seeing growth in those non-coffee jars.


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: dysphoria]
    #7463578 - 09/28/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i know.. for some awful reason i have this thing that i must try it... do not know why.. but need too... cant explain it...i just got a little worried cause i was told it should be clear like tea and when i checked it this morning it was sorta dark like melted hershey chocolate i thought 2 cups was over kill again..


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: tony8404]
    #7464392 - 09/28/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have never tried rye but if the coffee is such a problem why not omit it completely..all it is is a nitrogen additive ,right..how bout some seaweed extract instead??


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: Vegan]
    #7464460 - 09/28/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I just did a 50/50 coffe h2o batch for my edibles and it looked clear, but when it hit the pot it was darker than a brother.


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: rodfarva]
    #7464513 - 09/28/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the water will keep getting more and more murky throughout the soak and by the time your done with the 10-15 simmering boil it'll have that light milk-chocolate sauce kind of color and consistency, that's fine...

I will say, however, that you don't need any hydrated lime in your soak... the only place I've ever used it is in my casing (note - not substrate, but casing) mixtures to purposely raise the pc to make it slightly inhospitable for contaminates to take hold.

our mycelium dislike's a high pH just as much as trichoderma does, it's just that by the time you're applying a casing layer, the mycelium colony is so strong and healthy it'll colonize through the higher pH'd casing layer anyways whereas a couple newly landed spores of trich (etc.) won't be able to overcome such a "hostile" environment.

But since we're sterilizing the grains, I can't see adding hydrated lime to your soak being beneficial... :shrug:


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: mycocurious]
    #7464581 - 09/28/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so since i added a little bit of hydrated lime am i screwed....?


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: tony8404]
    #7465089 - 09/28/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Is coffee really that necessary? What's the point of it..lower pH? Does cubensis like low pH or something?


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Re: ohhh man i think i did it again... can someone take a look at what i did [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7466581 - 09/29/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

liquid coffee provides a minute amount of liquid nutrients for the grains in addition to the starches from the grains being boiled. Is it necessary, absolutely not. Is it a minor amendment/tweak to add in the colonization process, yes.

used coffee grounds are a super rich nutrient source for the mycelium as well so throwing them in your bulk substrate works too...


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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