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Invisiblethedudenj
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Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does.
    #7463010 - 09/28/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some people question what this does and how it works and why its so healing. well now its 100% clear to me, my view hasnt really changed much just gotten more defined. I just awoke from a dream which made it alot clearer. Whilst still fresh i looked about the room and wow it was ayahuasca realm and when i closed my eyes everything was more intense. WHY? of course as speculated and some say, Its the gate way to the dream world the geometric patterns are the path ways of the dream net work and fractal manifested mathematical representations of the web of dreams.
Now as for the web of dreams... well all dreams are interconnected under, over, and just straight lapping and go beyond life,death, and time. for the past 3 years i have dreamt my future before it happens and it damn hell always happens, just not exactly as in the dream due to my imagination running wild and painting the events, i know for a fact that im not the only people that have this happen.
We all know a great portion of healing is done while we sleep and part of the reason we do. when a medicine man heals and induces trance specially with drumming or psychedelic plants he/she opens up this dream path network and navigates it,inducing dreams and walks in and rearranges path ways and that persons future pathways in effect changing reality, As reality isnt one set path rather many different probable and possible paths in which we choose to some degree that others also have input on.

so the main point of this post.
1. Ayahuasca mainly and others, make dream world and net work visible.
2. they help make one aware to navigate it.
3. this aids in healing greatly.
4. we are all ultra interconnected to the point no one wants to belive it.

i might as well add this explains why so many people see the same kinda of alex grey does, which i might as well add as well that i saw the other day at COMS but any who. that didnt really influance this i have been seeing that stuff before i ever saw his work.
our reality is multi layered and overlapping like how in photo shop you can multi layer and lap pictures
in a similar fashion in how i made this


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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Re: Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does. [Re: thedudenj]
    #7463081 - 09/28/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, that makes sense I guess.

And yeah, I agree about it being more intense when you close your eyes. That's how it seemed to me.


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Re: Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does. [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7463158 - 09/28/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting writeup but i disagree.

I don't think there is a 'dream world', and even though i've experienced a lot of weird shit in OBEs, on DMT, in dreams, i think each experience is connected, but on an individual level.

Similarities in imagery between different people i would attribute to a physiological basis - the way our brains interpret input.

Similarities in experiences between different people i would put down to shared psychological experiences - eg: Common storylines and imagery that represent fear.


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Re: Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does. [Re: undergrounder]
    #7463396 - 09/28/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well im one for the Universal Consciousness because i have seen enough and experienced enough with other people to say its there and it includes plants animals and things that appear inanimate. the only thing the makes use so called living is that we have a different set of chemicals running thru us.
you see yes the individual is the individual but also more. we are one big individual in a sense.

i guess i could use the example of we all are water and our bodies are like cups,mugs,and other drinking vessels that are all molded,painted,and ect. which are dipped into a lake and then later smashed in a never ending process. the water never changes but the places it goes and the "paint" on the glass does.

its extremely creepy when you live a dream in physical world but i have gotten used to it, specially when its an outrageous dream i might add.
every color,line, and so fourth one sees while in that state each has its own meaning, peoples aura colors all of it man to say it doesnt would also be saying if i stab you that to has no meaning so stand still so i can do it already.
i think its a shame people let all of the deeper and hidden stuff blast by them but then again if they enjoyed it, it was worth it. but going back when you see things like alex greys work the light that composes people is composed of it for a reason just like you bone being composed of what it is. theres layers that over lap. something i started to do but stopped was observing interpretations of aura colors of a set of people using other sets including friends and strangers with no pre mention of set aura colors and the results always fall the same.
now one could conclude maybe its just what they wore or maybe something else suggestive like there personality, which could be one explanation a deep seated programing in the mind that associates behavior to color, like color changing octopus, then people see that color, but people dont even need to speak for others to correctly see their aura. so you could even go a step further and say oh they just straight up read body lang. and then that preprogrammed thing clicked, but i think its far far greater then that, but i do entertain the idea of preprogrammed relations to colors and emotions and personals and that it could be visually seen in the form of an aura specially with psychedelic drugs, due to fractal geometry and probability like how they zoom pictures digitally, thats not the real image its just a really good guess that looks so damn perfect you would think it is.
i might as well add with the whole design of everything if we truly evolved and what not then our ancestors were around what we didnt evolve from and that is stored in our very essence.


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Re: Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does. [Re: thedudenj]
    #7463466 - 09/28/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting... my dreams tell the future too.


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Re: Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does. [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7463507 - 09/28/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i've also had debates on auras at least twice now, and the long and short of it is i don't believe in them either, they seem to be an effect of an after-image created by fatiguing the eye. I can do it, they look pretty cool, but they always correspond to the opposite colour on the light colour scale, proving to me they're just the after-image. Throw in a bit of suggestion, imagination and (dare i say) HPPD in some people then they could feel quite real.

I hear you on the fact that we are all just bits of matter and there is ultimately no such thing as 'individual'. I think the creation of the ego after birth and with it the illusion of separateness divides people when in reality we are all the same.

But i don't think that extends to a shared 'consciousness'. For instance it seems to me that a theory like the 'signal theory' that someone just posted is a perfectly good explanation of the psychedelic state and that in itself, the psychedelic state holds no extra meaning or insight into the true nature of things. I think it's just chemical reaction that produces an incredibly profound change in individual consciousness. The real mystery in the story is the human brain.


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Re: Ayahuasca and what the F*&% it really does. [Re: undergrounder]
    #7464292 - 09/28/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well its not the drugs its the vibes... but now how do explain aura colors in the dark. as i said in my experiments people would chose the same colors when picking out of a grand scale down to what shade of blue green or red orange and other people with no pre knowledge choosing that same color. but as i mentioned this could be due to how colors effect mood due to 1000's of years of programing from animals with color as warning signs and as communication. I have to say the phenomena of aura colors is very real and more then just after images i consider after images after images and no aura color, if you have experienced seeing true aura its not like an after image in-fact i usually see it as a cloud around people rather then a out line.
and people that exhibit certain colors exhibit the text book definitions of the color meanings. which would support the whole statement that the only reason those colors are seen is you brain using imagination to paint them that color due to reading body lang and emotion of people aka their vibe.

i must also state that healing via reiki,native medicine, and ect of those types work and really do work and if you dont want to accept that go find someone that the doctors told wouldnt walk again and got healed via that method and can walk. if its truly bullshit you could (take away their ability to walk in fact the moment you enter their life they will become crippled and them getting healed wouldnt of worked or something)obvious sarcasm.yeah i will say there are alot of bull shit people out there and fakes which ruin the name thats with out a doubt. hell theres singers that lip syn-ch to recording that arnt themselves and make money does that mean every signer is fake?
yeah that was my extra 2 cents. i met a badass grandmother whose had visions and is down with auras and shes very legit. im writing a book and getting as much info and point of views as i can and everyone will remain anonymous and it will only be underground.

any who to go a few steps further lets examine reiki energy and the energy Fields people emit from their body and main hands like in rieki. If you have ever made an orb of your energy you know what im talking about. theres a general consensus on what each others energy orbs feel like, and everyones feels different that grand mother felt jolt,very shocking. i instantly was like wtf is up with her energy and then she said everyone that feels it describes it as like lightnings and shocks em and i said i was about to say that.
next we could examine the people that dont feel it, well if everyone can feel it and generate it why cant someone generate a opposing field and cancel it out, specially with out even knowing what there doing, it wouldnt be the first time people did something with out knowing then didnt believe that its true to find out later opps.
main reason im sparking this now is cause that vision i just had no drugs required, all drugs have done is remind me what it was like when i was little and had this shit in constant flow and being told its all fake cause my parents were to blind to see it and ignored their great grandparents who were wish to this. Its way to late for me to talk to my family elders who were deeply involved with this.

yeah ... plz post your thoughts on these issues dont be afraid to be open.
the main thing to be noted about aya-huasca vine of the soul is its more so soul then anything that makes the brew, a common thing amoung people that make brews not just aya, is that you can feel the effects with out taking it just from straight brewing it. this kinda lies on the thin line of to what extent is it the plants and what intent what people placed and place on the plants. in a sense you could say placebo which i really dont believe in( ha ha ) if you pick up an anthropology book they love to talk about the man way a medicine man works is thru the placebo effect, which clearly means not the drugs just vibes, i believe in the placebo effect but not the placebo(another bad joke). Lets say everyone has the potential in them self to heal any wound its just a matter of how long it takes to heal it and how willing they are to have it healed and why it arouse in the first place and sometimes just need a slight push or a swift kick to get it in gear like starting a dirt bike.
yeah so input below.


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