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Balancing business & spiritualitiy
    #7462998 - 09/28/07 03:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I find the deeper I go into any sort of business project, work for a large company (especially REALLY large companies), I find that its way too easy to get sucked into the cycle. Do you think it possible to do business in a industry where greed is the only motivation, and balance spirituality in it in the same time?

The more I get into anything business, the more I realize that greed it the *only* thing it is, even if you want to get into an industry which is creatively driven. Is it even possible without dropping all your shit and selling stickers and grilled cheese out of your van? Even if you own your own business, you won't succeed unless you put greed as a first priority.

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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: ilus]
    #7463346 - 09/28/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think greed is the primary motivating factor in business... maybe for some people but not all. The primary motivating factor for any business is to provide a product or service to other people, and this is how all companies have been operating ever since... it's that after a while the owners, mangagers, supervisors, and the workers get 'greedy' because they see success in the company and want more and more and more... so it's not that the concept of a business is flawed but the way people approach and use the current template of what a business is about. Do you believe you can run a successful company and not be sucked into a cycle of greed?


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: ilus]
    #7463647 - 09/28/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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illustrain said:
Do you think it possible to do business in a industry where greed is the only motivation, and balance spirituality in it in the same time?





No.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: chodamunky]
    #7463679 - 09/28/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes.

But, do you believe you can have a successful and lucrative company without greed being the primary drive of it? (and have it last, something stable...)


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: ilus]
    #7463690 - 09/28/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes you can keep balance and run a business in the same, I don't see a contradiction in that. Life is to be explore in any direction and you're not less of a person of you are running a successful business.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7463721 - 09/28/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Most business people are more religious than spiritual..regular church attendance, going to temples, making monetary contributions to various foundation, etc. Only a few seem to tread the path of spirituality.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: shakercee]
    #7463771 - 09/28/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well I wasn't really talking about what the majority is doing.
I honestly believe that one can be "spiritual" even if running a business. It all comes down to intention. :shrug:
How others handle their own problems is irrelevant.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: ilus]
    #7463824 - 09/28/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I see business as the learned taking advantage of the ignorant.

for instance, lets say you are working in a bank. Its your job to lock down people's money in an account so that your bank can loan out more money to other people.

so when some yokel comes in to inquire about your bank's interest rates, you are probably NOT going to mention to him that the bank down the street has higher interest rates on CD's.

If it were a friendly context, you know, customer to customer, you might say: "don't put your money with these guys, its a ripoff". But since its a business relationship, the objective is to rape them as much as you can within the parameters of the law.

most businesses are like this to a certain degree. Even 'spiritual' businesses. Once I went to a 'spiritual healer' who was afoaf. Fascinating. All this guy had to do was set up a hippie-ish environment with the incense and pictures of hindu gods on the wall, with the beaded curtains, etc etc... Then these yuppie women would come in and pay him $50 for a 'session' which basically consisted of him playing a guided meditation CD.

now, if this guy were really trying to help people, he would just be telling people: "Hey go out and get some nag champa and play this CD when you are stressed." But no. He turns it into a business and thus profits off of people's ignorance.


Now, when I think of spirituality I think of enlightenment, people coming together and enlightening eachother, sharing with one another. If you are operating a business, you probably are profiting off someone's ignorance, so what motivation would you have to 'enlighten' them. You don't want them enlightened, you want to keep them in the dark as much as possible! That I think, is a direct conflict.

so, in conclusion, I would say that the best way to balance spirituality and business is to keep 2 separate personalities that have no knowledge of eachother. One can be the businessman, and the other can be the sage.


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    #7464021 - 09/28/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: Chubba]
    #7464060 - 09/28/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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My conclusion, I'm just going to stay at University my entire life :smile:




You mean the University library :wink:


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: wps]
    #7464099 - 09/28/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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If you are operating a business, you probably are profiting off someone's ignorance, so what motivation would you have to 'enlighten' them.




This does not need to be the case. It is impossible for each of us to specialize in every possible skill set we might need. It is much more sensible and efficient to hire an expert. Additionally, purchasing goods does not necessarily indicate ignorance, nor would enlightenment suddenly result in us not required food, clothing, etc. Paying for craftsmanship, skill, essential goods and services has nothing to do with being ignorant.

In my work as a self-employed bookkeeper, I offer clients the option of training OR service. If what they want is to learn how to manage their own books, then I share my expertise. If what they want is to have someone skillful manage their books, I apply my skills.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: shakercee]
    #7464108 - 09/28/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The only true safegaurd against greed is love. You can never legislate
unselfishness. People will manipulate the system any way they can.

There are jobs out there where you don't have to run with thee rats, but you're not going to make nearly as much money.

But the integrity and peace of mind that you get from choosing that less paying job is much better in the long run, and what you do have you will enjoy it more and be more thankful with an honest heart.

Greedy people cannot appreciate anything as they ought to. They are never satisfied, they never have rest, or a clean conscience.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: ilus]
    #7464607 - 09/28/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think it possible to do business in a industry where greed is the only motivation, and balance spirituality in it in the same time?

Depends on what one calls spirituality.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: ilus]
    #7464982 - 09/28/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you think it possible to do business in a industry where greed is the only motivation, and balance spirituality in it in the same time?





Yes, but as Iceman said, it depends upon what you call Spirituality....

I know a guy, old school, owns a business, knows his shit, and is one of the best in his field - a very successful company.... As his company has done better and better thru the years, him and his wife have adopted more and more children with disabilities - the ones that the parents "threw away" - whatever race they were.... I ***believe*** that he does this for Spiritual reasons, and because he can.... I didn't find this out because he told me, I had known him for many years before someone else told me and I asked him.... At that point in time he had like 10-12 adopted children....

I have never met anyone else like this....
And again, it depends upon what you call "Spirituality"....


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7465577 - 09/28/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you can be impeccable in what you do,
your customers will pay for the honor of doing business gladly.


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Re: Balancing business & spiritualitiy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7466843 - 09/29/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Which planet?


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