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    #7462757 - 09/28/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I made a thread in pub forum regarding drugs/herbs that have relations and similar effects to MDMA but now i want to know a Plant/Herb that gives you a confidence boost for social chit chats, I have always pondered to find a warmth making herb/plant to give these effects. You know that feeling where your just connected with everyone and want to get along, and have soo much to talk about without being worried or closed minded? Where your just open for chats and feel warmth between everyone around you? Where you just talk and talk and talk and have so much energy? I remember XTC did this for me, but it was never safe, it was always mixed with something and want pure MDMA, So i am trying to find alternatives. The stuff sold on the streets could be mixed with meth/speed and coke and everyyour detergents.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7462805 - 09/28/07 01:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i don't know any plants.. but if you find a more reliable source, lots of people make it with mda or caffeine


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Re: Social plant [Re: Helixx]
    #7462844 - 09/28/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Coffee.


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Re: Social plant [Re: PDU]
    #7462897 - 09/28/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Coffee.




Since when does coffee do that? (I hate coffee)


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7462901 - 09/28/07 02:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Kava maybe.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7462910 - 09/28/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i doubt youll really find anything in a plant that is much like ecstasy. i wish i could find pure mdma also, its unfortunate we have to live in a world like this.


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Re: Social plant [Re: DimensionX]
    #7462974 - 09/28/07 03:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have heard of Kava before, and i am wondering if it would do the thing, its a mild talkative, maybe if i went for Exracts of Kava kava, then it would have a much stronger effect, hmm, but where is a site that i can trust for good kava kava.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7463031 - 09/28/07 03:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah im thinking of getting some myself. I heard someone describe it as feeling like a mix of pot and alcohol, without the down side of either. Depending where you live you could get it in a headshop type thing online. This site is sponsered by one and has a link. Weird thing i heard is that it has opposite tollerance. In that, the first time you try it, you may not get much effect, but once you have tried it a few times it actually gets stronger.


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Re: Social plant [Re: DimensionX]
    #7463597 - 09/28/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Just so you know, all MDMA has methamphetamine in it. That's where all the energy and conversation comes from...


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7463603 - 09/28/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about plants, but a small dose of acid makes me always way more social than mdma.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Individual]
    #7463659 - 09/28/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some one told me all three K's have social booster thing about them.

Kava, Kratom, and Kanna, I am thinking of getting Kava first to try it out.

Someone else told me some other chemicals/herb or whatnot and i will quote him.

"some helpful "social lubricants":

1. Small dose of A. Muscaria
2. Ephedrine from Ma Huang
3. Small dose of P. Cubensis or similar
4. Southern Comfort (not an herb but excellent nonetheless)"

but i know nothing of them.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7463750 - 09/28/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm glad Kava's starting to get the rep it deserves. It really is amazing.

I've not tried Kratom, but Kanna is worthless in my opinion. I bought some Kanna pills, each with 50 mg. of mesembrine in them, and I have to take four on an empty stomach to feel anything at all. If there's any food in my stomach, forget it. Everyone I've given them too hasn't gotten anything from them either. That's not to say they won't work for everyone though.


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Re: Social plant [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7463764 - 09/28/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Do you really need drugs to have a conversation?


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Re: Social plant [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7464041 - 09/28/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

For a city i just moved into yes, everyone is really different, so i need to change my old way of myself into a more easier to get along person in the city.


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7464064 - 09/28/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Just so you know, all MDMA has methamphetamine in it. That's where all the energy and conversation comes from...




no. a lot of "ecstasy" has methamphetamine in it. If the drug is mdma then it should be methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Just because it has methamphetamine in it's chemical name doesn't mean it contains meth.

And I'm surprised no one has mentioned marijuana. For me at least it's a wonderful social drug to feel connected with those around you, who of course also smoke. I realize tho that some people become introverted with pot rather than become sociable.


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Re: Social plant [Re: THEBats]
    #7464160 - 09/28/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I am thinking of ordering this.


Kavalactone 84% Paste Description below:

This paste is one of our all-time favorites! It is root-only (no liver damage) C02 cold extraction technology, for an ultra-pure extract. One pea sized serving is enough for a relaxed empathogenic experience. There is a reason this is the National drink of Fiji; and with the liver damage reports proven false, you can indulge with confidence.

This is the exact product that we fill the kavalactone liquigles with. Since the product is very thick, and paste-like, no manufacturer, at the moment, wants to use their machinery to put this product into capsules anymore. Multi-million dollar machines don't seem to like kavalactone liquid or paste very much! We are trying to find a new manufacturer for the liquigel product, but until then, this is as powerful and potent as that, and almost as painless to take.

The advantage of this kavalactone paste, is that it absorbs faster, and it can also be mixed into a smoothie or anything elese your imagination comes up with. Here at the shop, we like to mix this in with our powdered kava root, to give a bit of an extra "kick" to our concoctions.

How would i prepare to make a dose for me? I am not sure how much milligrams or grams i am soppused to drink, and how to prepare one using the paste.

(getting it from Iamshaman dot com)


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Re: Social plant [Re: THEBats]
    #7464192 - 09/28/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Just so you know, all MDMA has methamphetamine in it. That's where all the energy and conversation comes from...




no. a lot of "ecstasy" has methamphetamine in it. If the drug is mdma then it should be methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Just because it has methamphetamine in it's chemical name doesn't mean it contains meth.






What do you mean? You should clear that up for me because I am admittedly somewhat confused about the subject. I was under the impression that the speedy effects of mdma occur because it is actually a form of amphetamine, or at least has the molecule as part of it and thus causes the same effects. Is this not what is going on?


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Re: Social plant [Re: Individual]
    #7464820 - 09/28/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know about plants, but a small dose of acid makes me always way more social than mdma.




exactly what i was going to say!!! get some acid, eat half a hit and ENJOY :grin:


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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7464952 - 09/28/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know about plants, but a small dose of acid makes me always way more social than mdma.




exactly what i was going to say!!! get some acid, eat half a hit and ENJOY :grin:



That's what I do! :wink:


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Re: Social plant [Re: Individual]
    #7465090 - 09/28/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and thats what i'm doing right now :smirk:


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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7465138 - 09/28/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Enjoy!:)


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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7465239 - 09/28/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Khat definitely has this effect. In Africa, they use it and stay up for hours talking and feeling good. Don't know where the HELL you'd find it, though.

Others are ephedra, kratom, and opium poppies. Don't know what makes OTHERS feel like talking, but for me, it's the opiates all the way. One hydrocodone and I'm talking up a storm in the throes of warm opiate bliss. Uppers like ephedra + caffeine are great, too.

And of course, pot.


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Re: Social plant [Re: MK Ultra]
    #7465887 - 09/28/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

never will i do, Cocaine, Opiates, Crack, Meth , heroin, and drugs like that, thats just asking for abuse, my life is not going shitty for me to use those drugs.


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7466821 - 09/29/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
Just so you know, all MDMA has methamphetamine in it. That's where all the energy and conversation comes from...




no. a lot of "ecstasy" has methamphetamine in it. If the drug is mdma then it should be methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Just because it has methamphetamine in it's chemical name doesn't mean it contains meth.





What do you mean? You should clear that up for me because I am admittedly somewhat confused about the subject. I was under the impression that the speedy effects of mdma occur because it is actually a form of amphetamine, or at least has the molecule as part of it and thus causes the same effects. Is this not what is going on?




some effects can yes but mdma is as close to meth as lsd is to lsa. Get what I'm trying to say?

Also the spiel about "ecstasy" concerns what is sold on the streets as mdma. A lot of street ecstasy contains some mdma and then meth for filler because the detection process for the two are very similar in home testing kits.


Edited by THEBats (09/29/07 10:02 AM)


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Re: Social plant [Re: THEBats]
    #7466862 - 09/29/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

LSA and LSD have some pretty damn similar effects. They are both strongly psychoactive and can cause a very similar hallucinogenic experience (in comparison to mushrooms, dmt).

So is it safe to assume that since ecstacy carries some very similar effects of meth (containing a meth molecule as it does) that it also carries the same physical dangers and addiction potential?


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7466918 - 09/29/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LSA and LSD have some pretty damn similar effects. They are both strongly psychoactive and can cause a very similar hallucinogenic experience (in comparison to mushrooms, dmt).

So is it safe to assume that since ecstacy carries some very similar effects of meth (containing a meth molecule as it does) that it also carries the same physical dangers and addiction potential?




well it does carry some of the addiction potention. But because of the chemical difference mdma works ,besides the obvious of flooding receptor sites with serotonin, by releasing a small amount of dopamine in the reward pathway where the slightly addictive qualities lie. Whereas meth works by mimicking dopamine, oddly mdma mimics serotonin, and it works in the same way mdma does except with dopamine instead. It also works directly in the reward pathway which is why meth is so addictive. Because mdma effects serotonin on a larger basis then dopamine it effects are dissimilar to meth. However the small amount of dopamine it releases does gives a speedy undertone but not enough to compare the two.


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Re: Social plant [Re: THEBats]
    #7468461 - 09/29/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know which to order though, Kava or Kratom very hard decision.

and between them to, i don't know which type i should get.

Kona Kava Root or Kavalactone 84% Paste.

and/or

Premium Kratom Leaf or a Kratom Extract.

(Buying from iamshaman.com so you can check the items yourself)


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7468522 - 09/29/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A low dose of shrooms does wonders for me. I'm talking 0.50g - 1.0g. It makes me *too* social, but it doesn't feel like a stimulant type of confidence. I feel more sober than I am off the shrooms.

Caffeine doesn't do it for me. I don't have much experience with kanna, but SSRIs do feel somewhat like E to me.


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7468713 - 09/29/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LSA and LSD have some pretty damn similar effects. They are both strongly psychoactive and can cause a very similar hallucinogenic experience (in comparison to mushrooms, dmt).

So is it safe to assume that since ecstacy carries some very similar effects of meth (containing a meth molecule as it does) that it also carries the same physical dangers and addiction potential?




Chemistry doesn't really work like that. Just because it has methamphetamine in the name doesn't mean that it has to share any similar properties. Meth is considered physically addictive because it has a very long duration followed by a bad come down. Psychologically it's addicting because it makes you who you want to be. Intelligent, social, fast/accurate/precise, happy. It lets you get things done and it eliminates the need to sleep. After you try it, you'll probably feel like you're wasting your time being sober when you can take some meth hits and get a 4.0+ GPA, start 5 businesses and maintain an active social life, all in record time and under no stress.

Meth is safe if you don't abuse it and you know what you're doing. Don't fall for propaganda. The gov does this shit every few years with a different drug. GHB was targeted before meth if I recall correctly.. not to mention their terrible campaigns against heroin, cocaine, marijuana and LSD.

Ecstasy likely causes some form of nerve/brain damage. I'm all for legalization of every drug, but MDMA isn't something you should abuse -- this is just my opinion formed from my own interpretation of the literature/studies. Actually I'm waiting on my dealer right now for a few pills, but DO YOUR RESEARCH and BE CAREFUL!

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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7469201 - 09/30/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Social plant [Re: SheerTerror]
    #7470086 - 09/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok i bought

Kratom Premium Commercial Leaves 50 gm
Kava Instant Powder, Piper methysticum 40 gm

from psychoactiveherbs, some really great deals, i got free shipping, hope the product is high quality.

So with the Kava Kava instant powder, i can just add water with it and boil it and drink?

and for the Kratom same thing or what?

Once i experience them each, i am going to try to mix them and see how it goes.


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    #7470387 - 09/30/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yea brew it up, eat the powder, whatev, yea just ingest it and it will kick in after a few


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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7470445 - 09/30/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA is an "amphetamine," and indeed the "MA" stands for "methamphetamine," but you shouldn't take that to mean it functions the same way as methamphetamine. In spite of its name MDMA has very little in common with methamphetamine, and a good E tab will contain only MDMA, causing a minimum of "uncontrollable energy," insomniac and jaw-grinding type effects. The fact that most E tabs do, in fact, contain both MDMA and methamphetamine obscures this for most people.

Technically, I'm pretty sure mescaline is an amphetamine too. Just goes to show that words can be deceptive, especially in chemistry.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7472188 - 09/30/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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MDMA is an "amphetamine," and indeed the "MA" stands for "methamphetamine," but you shouldn't take that to mean it functions the same way as methamphetamine. In spite of its name MDMA has very little in common with methamphetamine, and a good E tab will contain only MDMA, causing a minimum of "uncontrollable energy," insomniac and jaw-grinding type effects. The fact that most E tabs do, in fact, contain both MDMA and methamphetamine obscures this for most people.

Technically, I'm pretty sure mescaline is an amphetamine too. Just goes to show that words can be deceptive, especially in chemistry.




I dont know about them all being amphetamines but they are all phenethylamines.


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