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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7465138 - 09/28/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Enjoy!:)


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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7465239 - 09/28/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Khat definitely has this effect. In Africa, they use it and stay up for hours talking and feeling good. Don't know where the HELL you'd find it, though.

Others are ephedra, kratom, and opium poppies. Don't know what makes OTHERS feel like talking, but for me, it's the opiates all the way. One hydrocodone and I'm talking up a storm in the throes of warm opiate bliss. Uppers like ephedra + caffeine are great, too.

And of course, pot.


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Re: Social plant [Re: MK Ultra]
    #7465887 - 09/28/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

never will i do, Cocaine, Opiates, Crack, Meth , heroin, and drugs like that, thats just asking for abuse, my life is not going shitty for me to use those drugs.


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7466821 - 09/29/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Just so you know, all MDMA has methamphetamine in it. That's where all the energy and conversation comes from...




no. a lot of "ecstasy" has methamphetamine in it. If the drug is mdma then it should be methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Just because it has methamphetamine in it's chemical name doesn't mean it contains meth.





What do you mean? You should clear that up for me because I am admittedly somewhat confused about the subject. I was under the impression that the speedy effects of mdma occur because it is actually a form of amphetamine, or at least has the molecule as part of it and thus causes the same effects. Is this not what is going on?




some effects can yes but mdma is as close to meth as lsd is to lsa. Get what I'm trying to say?

Also the spiel about "ecstasy" concerns what is sold on the streets as mdma. A lot of street ecstasy contains some mdma and then meth for filler because the detection process for the two are very similar in home testing kits.


Edited by THEBats (09/29/07 10:02 AM)


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Re: Social plant [Re: THEBats]
    #7466862 - 09/29/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

LSA and LSD have some pretty damn similar effects. They are both strongly psychoactive and can cause a very similar hallucinogenic experience (in comparison to mushrooms, dmt).

So is it safe to assume that since ecstacy carries some very similar effects of meth (containing a meth molecule as it does) that it also carries the same physical dangers and addiction potential?


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7466918 - 09/29/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LSA and LSD have some pretty damn similar effects. They are both strongly psychoactive and can cause a very similar hallucinogenic experience (in comparison to mushrooms, dmt).

So is it safe to assume that since ecstacy carries some very similar effects of meth (containing a meth molecule as it does) that it also carries the same physical dangers and addiction potential?




well it does carry some of the addiction potention. But because of the chemical difference mdma works ,besides the obvious of flooding receptor sites with serotonin, by releasing a small amount of dopamine in the reward pathway where the slightly addictive qualities lie. Whereas meth works by mimicking dopamine, oddly mdma mimics serotonin, and it works in the same way mdma does except with dopamine instead. It also works directly in the reward pathway which is why meth is so addictive. Because mdma effects serotonin on a larger basis then dopamine it effects are dissimilar to meth. However the small amount of dopamine it releases does gives a speedy undertone but not enough to compare the two.


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Re: Social plant [Re: THEBats]
    #7468461 - 09/29/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know which to order though, Kava or Kratom very hard decision.

and between them to, i don't know which type i should get.

Kona Kava Root or Kavalactone 84% Paste.

and/or

Premium Kratom Leaf or a Kratom Extract.

(Buying from iamshaman.com so you can check the items yourself)


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7468522 - 09/29/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A low dose of shrooms does wonders for me. I'm talking 0.50g - 1.0g. It makes me *too* social, but it doesn't feel like a stimulant type of confidence. I feel more sober than I am off the shrooms.

Caffeine doesn't do it for me. I don't have much experience with kanna, but SSRIs do feel somewhat like E to me.


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Re: Social plant [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7468713 - 09/29/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LSA and LSD have some pretty damn similar effects. They are both strongly psychoactive and can cause a very similar hallucinogenic experience (in comparison to mushrooms, dmt).

So is it safe to assume that since ecstacy carries some very similar effects of meth (containing a meth molecule as it does) that it also carries the same physical dangers and addiction potential?




Chemistry doesn't really work like that. Just because it has methamphetamine in the name doesn't mean that it has to share any similar properties. Meth is considered physically addictive because it has a very long duration followed by a bad come down. Psychologically it's addicting because it makes you who you want to be. Intelligent, social, fast/accurate/precise, happy. It lets you get things done and it eliminates the need to sleep. After you try it, you'll probably feel like you're wasting your time being sober when you can take some meth hits and get a 4.0+ GPA, start 5 businesses and maintain an active social life, all in record time and under no stress.

Meth is safe if you don't abuse it and you know what you're doing. Don't fall for propaganda. The gov does this shit every few years with a different drug. GHB was targeted before meth if I recall correctly.. not to mention their terrible campaigns against heroin, cocaine, marijuana and LSD.

Ecstasy likely causes some form of nerve/brain damage. I'm all for legalization of every drug, but MDMA isn't something you should abuse -- this is just my opinion formed from my own interpretation of the literature/studies. Actually I'm waiting on my dealer right now for a few pills, but DO YOUR RESEARCH and BE CAREFUL!

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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7469201 - 09/30/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Social plant [Re: SheerTerror]
    #7470086 - 09/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok i bought

Kratom Premium Commercial Leaves 50 gm
Kava Instant Powder, Piper methysticum 40 gm

from psychoactiveherbs, some really great deals, i got free shipping, hope the product is high quality.

So with the Kava Kava instant powder, i can just add water with it and boil it and drink?

and for the Kratom same thing or what?

Once i experience them each, i am going to try to mix them and see how it goes.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Waytoomany]
    #7470387 - 09/30/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yea brew it up, eat the powder, whatev, yea just ingest it and it will kick in after a few


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Re: Social plant [Re: today mylove]
    #7470445 - 09/30/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA is an "amphetamine," and indeed the "MA" stands for "methamphetamine," but you shouldn't take that to mean it functions the same way as methamphetamine. In spite of its name MDMA has very little in common with methamphetamine, and a good E tab will contain only MDMA, causing a minimum of "uncontrollable energy," insomniac and jaw-grinding type effects. The fact that most E tabs do, in fact, contain both MDMA and methamphetamine obscures this for most people.

Technically, I'm pretty sure mescaline is an amphetamine too. Just goes to show that words can be deceptive, especially in chemistry.


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Re: Social plant [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7472188 - 09/30/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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MDMA is an "amphetamine," and indeed the "MA" stands for "methamphetamine," but you shouldn't take that to mean it functions the same way as methamphetamine. In spite of its name MDMA has very little in common with methamphetamine, and a good E tab will contain only MDMA, causing a minimum of "uncontrollable energy," insomniac and jaw-grinding type effects. The fact that most E tabs do, in fact, contain both MDMA and methamphetamine obscures this for most people.

Technically, I'm pretty sure mescaline is an amphetamine too. Just goes to show that words can be deceptive, especially in chemistry.




I dont know about them all being amphetamines but they are all phenethylamines.


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