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higher potency and over-colonized jars
    #7460969 - 09/27/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Alright guys, Ive recently heard something (from impeachme2) about how if a fully colonized jar stays in the incubator, it gradually obtains potential for higher potency shrooms. He said that an over colonized jar grows more potent shrooms. Is this true?

Also, id really appreciate a new section on the shroomery website underneath "Mushroom Info>Grow Mushrooms" all about different techniques or methods to increase shroom potency during growth processes. If anybody can help me try to get this started, i can at least contribute one article on using illinoesis desmantheus in substrate to increase potency.


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Ellezdey]
    #7460972 - 09/27/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Potency can very from one mushroom to another mushroom.


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Brainiac]
    #7461003 - 09/27/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is very true, but what about actually making the whole flush more potent? Is this possible by over-colonizing a jar?

What are some other ways?


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Ellezdey]
    #7461067 - 09/27/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You'll get a better flush that way, meaning more and bigger mushrooms, but I do not believe potency will not be affected.


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Ellezdey]
    #7461069 - 09/27/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Allowing a substrate to consolidate its hold on the substrate before introducing to fruiting conditions is good practice. By digesting more food before fruiting, better quality fruits are produced. Other than that, there are no known ways to readily increase potency in substrates. There's lots of talk about tryptamines, etc., but the claims of increased potency can't be independently repeated. I believe from my many experiments with hundreds of substrates and additives that potency is genetic. If your mycelium has enough food to produce mushrooms, it has enough food to produce the active ingredients as well.
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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7461260 - 09/27/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Keep in mind, I stated "it has been said..." I never stated this to be factual, only repeating information of several people who had experienced this. It should be taken as just that. Please keep things in context when you are referring to other people.


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: impeachme2]
    #7461503 - 09/27/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Key to increased potency = Eat more mushrooms!


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Bikerfool]
    #7464294 - 09/28/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol, impeachme2 is right. But, never the less, it would be nice if there were methods or teks specifically used for increasing tryptamine content in substrate in hopes of increasing psilocin and psilocybin percentages by weight.

One more thing, i have two jars colonizing right now. One is colonizing way faster but this could be because of a large incubating temperature range. The mycelium was originally rhizomorphic (rope-like) and is now becoming large masses of solid white material. The edges of mycelium are no longer rope-like and are now migrating walls of nearly solid white. This is my first grow and its just making me curious, but is this normal?


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Ellezdey]
    #7464326 - 09/28/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think the only way to increase potency is the strain of mushroom. I mean, i have heard that potency increases slightly when Rye is used.. and manure cause of the high nitrogen content. There was also an unfinished thread years ago where some guy was saying that Melatonin may super-charge potency.. Something like the chemical Make-up of melatonin is similar to the make-up in mushrooms. But it was never proven.


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Ogla]
    #7464401 - 09/28/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A while ago i read a that someone was using mimosa root bark(i think) for the tryptamines in there casing to produce super potent shrooms.. I think they were reported being small like aborts or something, but crazy potent nonetheless..


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Re: higher potency and over-colonized jars [Re: Ellezdey]
    #7464423 - 09/28/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Lostfreddy is right when he talks of nitrogen. Add a couple of grams of shredded timothy hay. It will help boost the content to help with their genetic potential. And yes genetics are the key.Psilocybes are nitrogen scavengers.


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