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Why I joke so much on this forum
    #7460949 - 09/27/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

1. Many years ago I started to outline some REAL follow-along Spiritual Exercises. The response was underwhelming. The CLEAR message was that people (in general) would rather chat than do any work.

2. Every time a REAL topic is advanced, there is so much ignorance as to how to debate that the threads rarely go anywhere.

Let's take astrology for example. If there is a real-world affect on people it can be demonstrated and pointed to. If not, then the belief should be discarded. Unlike discussions of God, this one CAN BE TESTED and VERIFIED or DISCARDED.

A REAL DEBATE should be able to come to a DEFINITE conclusion as the efficacy of astrology is NOT an opinion like preferring chocolate over vanilla.

What do we get instead? Tons of anecdotes and "I feel this way..." That is fine for a chat board, but not a real philosophical debate forum.

Hence I joke, cause there is little real interest in substance.

*Shmoopy walks quietly away from podium leaving a stunned audience*



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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7460968 - 09/27/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree. :grin:


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461000 - 09/27/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461014 - 09/27/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

In general I agree with you and is why I kid around a lot also.

But.

There are serious and beneficial topics and discussions that crop up from time to time and are worth serious consideration. It is interesting to me that you do not for the most part take part in these discussions. So IMO, in some ways you are very much like the people you seem to be pointing a finger at.;)


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Icelander]
    #7461055 - 09/27/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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There are serious and beneficial topics and discussions that crop up ...




You already know how I feel about crop circles (and cereal killers).


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461092 - 09/27/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is a forum where debate is encouraged, but this has NEVER been a serious philosophical debate forum where formal logic is bandied about. If it was I would have never come here. Not all good discussions have to be debates. That is just one type of discussion, and often it is not the most productive type.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7461106 - 09/27/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That is the normal extent of 'debate'. Real reasons are rare.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7461116 - 09/27/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Not all good discussions have to be debates.




And there are many other places for those types of discussions.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461128 - 09/27/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sooo, you have to make yourself laugh to keep from crying.....?    :tongue:

I have to make myself laugh because sometimes I have so much ignorance as to how to debate....
I don't grasp some ideas, but I try to understand that which I don't.... 
Does it help....?    I dunno~....  :shrug:    There are a hell of a lot of different ideas out there....
Not too much debate goes on about Engineering here (where I would maybe be good at), so mostly, I just like to play....  :ohwell:  :thumbup:

It is the internet, to me, it is ALL entertainment....  Like much of life....

Remember, Philosophy is not ALL about debate....    :wink:
But, a good intellectual dramatic debate always catches my interest as a spectator....    :tongue2:


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7461142 - 09/27/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I sometimes detect a little 'Well I don't believe it, so this conversation is just a joke' in a thread when there are other people who are taking it seriously. I think it's best to be mindful of others and their interest in the topic at hand when you may not feel the same way.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Kinematics]
    #7461177 - 09/27/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think that your point is totally bogus. Really, you can't be serious!


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461256 - 09/27/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Let's take astrology for example. If there is a real-world affect on people it can be demonstrated and pointed to. If not, then the belief should be discarded. Unlike discussions of God, this one CAN BE TESTED and VERIFIED or DISCARDED.




as an example, let's pick that topic. I am assuming your stance is that astrology should be discarded. If that is the case, then i would ask whether or not you are dismissing the fact that astronomy was born from astrology. I believe that would open up somewhat of an endless loop, much like religion.

Now, astrologers (not astrology) can be debated, verified and discarded - but not the entire field. That is a bit ridiculous.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461315 - 09/27/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I prefer jokes to seriousness anyway.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: kotik]
    #7461346 - 09/27/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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the fact that astronomy was born from astrology




Astronomy was 'born' from observing the movements of the stars and planets.

Astrology was just some made-up crap based upon nothing.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461378 - 09/27/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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1. Many years ago I started to outline some REAL follow-along Spiritual Exercises. The response was underwhelming. The CLEAR message was that people (in general) would rather chat than do any work.




Funny, I would say the same exact thing...


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Middleman]
    #7461386 - 09/27/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You are very wise.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461390 - 09/27/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I am also a wiseguy.:D:monkeydance:


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Icelander]
    #7461462 - 09/27/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

NO, you are just a guy who likes to hang out at the Y... :eek:


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461472 - 09/27/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That was actually true at one time.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Icelander]
    #7461499 - 09/27/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't need to know any more... :nono:


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: Icelander]
    #7461558 - 09/27/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

*Shmoopy walks quietly away from podium leaving a stunned audience*

Who, Where, When...??
This shmoopy...??
Is he goopy and poopy??
Loopy and soupy??
Swim team or two piece??
Three piece or drum corps??
Bright eyed or dead corpse??

I kid. The id. What a 'bastid'.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461588 - 09/27/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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the fact that astronomy was born from astrology




Astronomy was 'born' from observing the movements of the stars and planets.

Astrology was just some made-up crap based upon nothing.




ah, now I see what you meant by:

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Every time a REAL topic is advanced, there is so much ignorance as to how to debate that the threads rarely go anywhere.





thanks for the example :thumbup:


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461602 - 09/27/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Every time a REAL topic is advanced, there is so much ignorance as to how to debate that the threads rarely go anywhere.




I wouldn't call it ignorance, but I agree that it always ends up being about how to debate, which is never agreed!

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A REAL DEBATE should be able to come to a DEFINITE conclusion




Not really, its impossible to make a group of people all come to the same conclusion, at least without forcing your opinion upon them.
Usually it ends up with several conclusions - a few people agreeing here and there.

I'd rather stay open to all possibility than coming up with a definite conclusion, I don't think, considering our nature, that we should make any definite conclusions.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7461603 - 09/27/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

*Shmoopy puts baseball hat on backwards and starts spinnin' and scratchin' providing a back-beat for BFTD*


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461612 - 09/27/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Feel that. Funny shit, no??


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461626 - 09/27/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you need a PhD!


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: kotik]
    #7461683 - 09/27/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Stating an opinion is not debate. Show the error. Back it up.


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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7461712 - 09/27/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

93
Reason is effete. No comment.
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Re: Why I joke so much on this forum [Re: lavod]
    #7462083 - 09/27/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

this whole thread looks like someone tripped over finished game of scrabble.

I think the initial point has been communicated better through the behaviour rather than the words of the posters.


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