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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7464923 - 09/28/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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How is pot an idiot drug zappa please explain? I know alot of people with upstanding job's that smoke regularly.




I have been in construction my entire working life (30+ years). Some people are employees and some people are owners. Some of the employees have made something of their careers, i.e. become foremen and supervisors. Others have stayed grunts. My empirical observation is that every single person who has continued to smoke pot on a regular basis has remained a grunt and every single person who has done more than that has quit or never started smoking dope. This is hundreds of people if not thousands. This is not to say that everyone who doesn't smoke dope will be a boss. It just says that nobody who continues to regularly smoke pot will. In my experience, I think it is a tremendous detriment to living life. Unless your idea of living life is to remain stoned all the time, which choice I believe you should have the right to make without government hassle. I also think that you should be 100% responsible for the shit that ensues. No welfare, no medicare, no nothing, just fuck off and die. Oh well. But to even consider comparing that government hassle to the very real oppression that occurs is moronic. Whiny. Bitchy. Bratty. Buy a clue with some of your dope money.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7465055 - 09/28/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Actually in the 70's most of the computer upstarts were started by people that smoked pot. Jobs said in an interview that he would go over to peoples houses, share ideas and smoke weed with them. Hell, all of Atari smoked pot. The Homebrew Computer club was full of people who enjoyed marijuana. Hell, a professor I did research for, pretty famous in the field of heterojunction semiconductors, smokes pot every day. So your empirical observations are cute I guess, although not in that penis hardening way, more of in the 'ah so he has to wear a protective helmet and ride the short bus' kind of way


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: TheCow]
    #7465086 - 09/28/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think we need to clarify the meaning of the word "regular". By regular I mean every day. Not one night every other weekend. Besides, the high is a bore.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7465093 - 09/28/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No arguments there, I don't personally do it anymore. However that was because I found it boring, not because it inhibited any sort of 'go get um' attitude or messed up my school work. I know a lot of stoners that do nothing with their lives, just like I know a lot of alcoholics that do nothing with their lives, just like I know a lot of 'x' that do nothing with their lives. I will admit though that weed does lull some people into a sense of complacency with respect to their lives.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7465180 - 09/28/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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With a man such as Dr. Paul, a little extra thinking is required. I think your deduction is flawed: you say that he wants to illegalize abortions? I've never heard him come anywhere near saying that. What he has said is this: that the decision of Roe v. Wade was unconstitutional. It is his belief that the Federal government has no place to say what a woman may or may not do. It's not illegalizing abortion, it's like taking Roe v. Wade of the books.

Now, before you get all huffy, this is not a bad thing. This will enable the states to decide for themselves (which is Dr. Paul's entire standpoint). Similar is his position on the drug war. He is not a friend of drugs. He is opposed to the Drug War because of the waste associated with it. He believes that people ought to be able to decide for themselves, and not have the Federal government decide for them.




I understand how the argument is made, but unfortunately I live in the south where the issue would undoubtedly be voted to ban abortion. So if this occurs before I'm financially stable enough to move to a better area, I'd be FUCKED if I got pregnant. Even though I'm super careful, the issue might come up. And then I'd either be imprisoned with a child I would resent, probably not be very loving to, and be completely depressed for two decades, or endure a pregnancy that with my current height and weight and psychiatric prescriptions and tobacco habits would physically endanger both me and the child. In fact, with all the things I'm prescribed I'd probably incur the danger of having a seriously life threatening miscarriage. Have you ever seen someone have a miscarriage? My roommates mom had an unwanted pregnancy that ended in a miscarriage and the bathroom was FLOODED with inches of blood. She didn't even know she was pregnant at the time and had no way of knowing what was coming. She was also above 50 and almost died.

I'm not taking that chance. No way.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7466699 - 09/29/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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With a man such as Dr. Paul, a little extra thinking is required. I think your deduction is flawed: you say that he wants to illegalize abortions? I've never heard him come anywhere near saying that. What he has said is this: that the decision of Roe v. Wade was unconstitutional. It is his belief that the Federal government has no place to say what a woman may or may not do. It's not illegalizing abortion, it's like taking Roe v. Wade of the books.

Now, before you get all huffy, this is not a bad thing. This will enable the states to decide for themselves (which is Dr. Paul's entire standpoint). Similar is his position on the drug war. He is not a friend of drugs. He is opposed to the Drug War because of the waste associated with it. He believes that people ought to be able to decide for themselves, and not have the Federal government decide for them.

Isn't that what we all want? I know that's what I do...
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Well said.

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I understand how the argument is made, but unfortunately I live in the south where the issue would undoubtedly be voted to ban abortion. So if this occurs before I'm financially stable enough to move to a better area, I'd be FUCKED if I got pregnant.




This is where personal responsibility comes into play.  If you really want to have that mulligan up your sleeve, move somewhere where abortion is legal.  Otherwise, take responsibility for your own actions, and own up to the future artist/thinker/worker/leader you have baking in your oven.  I am a pro-choice libertarian, so I could care less which decision you make, as long as I don't have to pay for you and your little poop-machine because you were careless and got knocked up while you were financially insecure and living in an area that prohibits abortion.  It's not hard to not get pregnant.  If abortion is illegal where you are, and you don't have money to move, don't get pregnant.  Oh, and I know that you're not pregnant, I was simply basing my argument on the hypothetical.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7466776 - 09/29/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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My empirical observation is that every single person who has continued to smoke pot on a regular basis has remained a grunt and every single person who has done more than that has quit or never started smoking dope.  This is hundreds of people if not thousands.  This is not to say that everyone who doesn't smoke dope will be a boss.  It just says that nobody who continues to regularly smoke pot will.




Blatantly false conslusion, but hey. :lol:

I, for one, have utilized smoking marijuana to be more aware and responsible. I've managed high all the time. Perhaps your sample size upon which your observation is based is too small. :shrug:

Nor does it make sense to suggest that being an employer or someone who assumes more responsibility career-wise is somehow inherently better than working hourly positions and enjoying the experience of being stoned. :what:

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  In my experience, I think it is a tremendous detriment to living life.




Yes, in your experience; your experience being applicable only to you, and your idea of what constitutes "living life", a subjective judgement, lies contingent upon "your experience" as well.

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  Unless your idea of living life is to remain stoned all the time, which choice I believe you should have the right to make without government hassle.  I also think that you should be 100% responsible for the shit that ensues.  No welfare, no medicare, no nothing, just fuck off and die.  Oh well.




Yes, because that is the logical conclusion of smoking pot. :smirk:

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  But to even consider comparing that government hassle to the very real oppression that occurs is moronic.  Whiny.  Bitchy.  Bratty.  Buy a clue with some of your dope money.




"Government hassle" = unconstitutional. Oppression. :yesnod:


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7466823 - 09/29/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
My empirical observation is that every single person who has continued to smoke pot on a regular basis has remained a grunt and every single person who has done more than that has quit or never started smoking dope.  This is hundreds of people if not thousands.  This is not to say that everyone who doesn't smoke dope will be a boss.  It just says that nobody who continues to regularly smoke pot will.




Blatantly false conslusion, but hey. :lol:

I, for one, have utilized smoking marijuana to be more aware and responsible. I've managed high all the time. Perhaps your sample size upon which your observation is based is too small. :shrug:




Managed what?  A MacDonalds.  My sample size is pretty large.  Zero stoners have amounted to anything except stonerhood.  If that's what you want, fine, just don't expect me to pick up your bill.
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Nor does it make sense to suggest that being an employer or someone who assumes more responsibility career-wise is somehow inherently better than working hourly positions and enjoying the experience of being stoned. :what:




That certainly is a value judgment that one should be allowed to make for themselves.  Unless they demand something like gummint health care.  Then their "value" judgment becomes a problem. 
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  In my experience, I think it is a tremendous detriment to living life.




Yes, in your experience; your experience being applicable only to you, and your idea of what constitutes "living life", a subjective judgement, lies contingent upon "your experience" as well.




I've done both.  Stonerhood is a bore.
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  Unless your idea of living life is to remain stoned all the time, which choice I believe you should have the right to make without government hassle.  I also think that you should be 100% responsible for the shit that ensues.  No welfare, no medicare, no nothing, just fuck off and die.  Oh well.




Yes, because that is the logical conclusion of smoking pot. :smirk:




We all die, follow a point.
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  But to even consider comparing that government hassle to the very real oppression that occurs is moronic.  Whiny.  Bitchy.  Bratty.  Buy a clue with some of your dope money.




"Government hassle" = unconstitutional. Oppression. :yesnod:




Your denial of the deleterious effects of regular pot smoking is rivalled only by your ignorance of constitutional law


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7466983 - 09/29/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Your denial of the deleterious effects of regular pot smoking is rivalled only by your ignorance of constitutional law




I think your bitterness has clouded your judgment and rendered you myopic in this issue, along with many others. Whether or not you believe it, there are potheads out there that are more successful, efficient and organized than you.

In your years of experience with construction, nobody that smokes all the time is going anywhere? I could see that, as it slows reaction time and etc. However, for anyone that works with their right-side of the brain, as opposed to left-brain, your entire argument falls apart.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kotik]
    #7467066 - 09/29/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

dont let zappa distract you from the real issue

it doesn't matter if pot turns you into a loser or not

the fact is, the government has no moral right to force anyone to abstain from it.

prohibition goes against the pursuit of happiness, freedom of religion, and free enterprise.

not to mention the state's rights that are being trampled. If someone in Cali gets busted growing pot, they cannot 'blame their neighbors', because their neighbors passed a law allowing cultivation. They can only blame the feds for OPPRESSING THEM.

we live in a republic, not a democracy. majority rule with minority rights. Thats why 'popular' laws are not always upheld. If we always allowed popular laws to prevail, the schools in the south would still be segregated.

besides, one wonders how 'popular' the prohibition laws would be if the state didn't cram fraudulent propaganda regarding this issue down everyone's throats via the schools, advertising campaigns, etc...


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kotik]
    #7467164 - 09/29/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Right brain, lol.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: SoY]
    #7467422 - 09/29/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"if you were careless and got knocked up". yeah right.

Please. I'm on birth control and I use condoms. What if both of them don't work? I live with my boyfriend and GOD am I horny. I'm twenty one and getting randier by the second. So statistically, I'm going to strike out eventually, even though I'm using pretty much everything available except a diaphram, which I couldn't use anyway because of my bc method.

I would never be careless, and many people aren't, but they get knocked the fuck up anyways. The body is MADE to reproduce, and at my age any chance it gets it'll take. I like sex, I hate poop machines, and the fact that nice people like you would end up paying for them would be a major factor in my decision to abort.

Abortion to avoid burdening your nation with taxes: the right choice!

Seriously, that is the right choice.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7468883 - 09/30/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hey all, I'm new here.. having skimmed over the posts I'm not sure where the conversation is at right now, but i believe ron paul isn't quite our best option. lets be honest, though he is the only one that publicly represents many of our beliefs, honestly, would he be a good president in our current situation?.. He's basically a candidate that all the stubborn "libertarians" and conspiracy theorists support to announce to the world they believe in truth. I'm leaning more towards a jfk figure because we need to have a new spacerace.. or greenrace.. to get off oil and get the hell out of every ones business and stop ruining our environment.. I'm seeing that potential in obama or biden right now.. possibly mccain if hillary is the dem candidate:grin:. But given many of the current problems, i can handle not having the freedom to smoke and the like in order for someone to get elected who can actually fix things. Anyway, not considering all i just said, this kooky ideologue horribly represents libertarianism to the average person.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: Dieck]
    #7468965 - 09/30/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

^^i liked hillarys original platform about health insurance and its costs being too high, but then word has it some of the larger companies paid her off and she no longer speaks about that issue. :crazy2:


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