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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7460903 - 09/27/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm glad your butts not hurt.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but *DELETED* [Re: lonestar2004]
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7461076 - 09/27/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod, please don't make fun of people. this is a political forum. if you attack someone, attack their ideas, not them. you don't even know if wps is younger than you. how old are you anyway? sixty? seventy? how old do you have to be to be technically "formed" as you put it?
I really liked the comment about people being duped into supporting Ron Paul. Quietly letting out the message that he is against our war and publicly speaking on issues that he CAN change is really manipulative.
He can't change Congress' and the FDA's mind singlehandedly, so I agree that he won't be very effective in the drug war. And I'm not a libertarian..... so I guess I'm doing a write-in vote this year. Now I just have to decide which dead author I should elect.....
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
#7461149 - 09/27/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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kriminalelement said: zappaisgod, please don't make fun of people. this is a political forum. if you attack someone, attack their ideas, not them.
Yeah, your right, although calling for the wahhhmbulance was perfectly fineQuote:
you don't even know if wps is younger than you. how old are you anyway? sixty? seventy?
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how old do you have to be to be technically "formed" as you put it?
It's not an age thing so much as a maturity thing. It generally occurs when you shed any pretense of leftist thought
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7461170 - 09/27/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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holding political opinions you think are contemptible doesn't make someone immature. and how do you define a leftist exactly? how do you even know someone is a leftist? just because they say something in agreement with a tiny fraction of "leftist" thought in a little forum on the internet doesn't make them a leftist.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
#7461173 - 09/27/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will try and be cool to you. We only have one regular females point of view in this forum and I'm not even sure shes really a female.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7461230 - 09/27/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not an age thing so much as a maturity thing. It generally occurs when you shed any pretense of leftist thought
hah. I am NOT a leftist by any means, but I certainly wouldn't call a leftist a spoiled brat just because I didn't agree with him. THAT would be immature of me.
the thing about voting is, its the individuals right to do it or not do it the way they choose. It would be a real shame if someone let your fallacious attacks deter them from doing it the way they wanted to do it, simply because you disapproved.
luckily, no one gives a damn what you think. And so, people continue to vote they way they want to, without checking in with you for approval.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
#7461298 - 09/27/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not an age thing so much as a maturity thing. It generally occurs when you shed any pretense of leftist thought

in that case, what level of maturity would someone have, who is half your age, and has transcended the false left/right paradigm?
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kotik]
#7461304 - 09/27/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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in that case, what level of maturity would someone have, who is half your age, and has transcended the false left/right paradigm?
nice
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
#7461743 - 09/27/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like Ron Paul, he seems like the most genuine guy in the field of candidates. I would say the only other candidate that seems as genuine as him would be McCain... but thats basically just my impression.
Anyway, if I had to choose right now I would choose Ron Paul. There are some things I wonder about him though. Mostly I just don't like politicians (who does!?). I probably wont vote, we will see who wins the candidacy of each party.
One thing that Ron said in an interview I watched of him made me sort of chuckle... he pointed out that our policies lately have been to spread democracy and etc, but our own presidential elections strictly are between 2 parties. You have to have $$$ and the support of one the 2 parties to even be on the ballot. I wouldn't mind if the system allowed more candidates more exposure and possibility to become President.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: andrewss]
#7463686 - 09/28/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah... I wish there were more choices, but what can i do? im not about to go out and try for pres, or try n change the system myself.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
#7463805 - 09/28/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the thing about abortion vs drug law is that to overturn Roe v Wade would require litigation all the way up the food chain to the supreme court.
to enact any change in the WoD would not require full judicial review, it could be as nuanced as calling the federal dogs off of state issues such as medical mj and dispensaries.
a president can pretty much aim his attorney general and the minions below him where he pleases....let's start prosecuting large corporations that employ illegals, cyber-crime (5% of FBI agents lol), letting the Patriot Act die and weakening the NSA...all this can be done without engaging every check and balance in the book.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: afoaf]
#7464615 - 09/28/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wps said:
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hah. I am NOT a leftist by any means
I'll be the judge of that later, but it is pretty much exclusively leftists who whine about being oppressed in America. Except for the occasional skinhead who wants to beat up homos and hang Negroes.
As to your attitude about your vote, which you will withhold if no one meets all of your criteria, I do indeed find it childish. But I'm grateful. You will never vote.
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in that case, what level of maturity would someone have, who is half your age, and has transcended the false left/right paradigm?
None. There is nothing false about it. It is a general description, not a prescription, and to deny it's existence is basically lazy crap for the confused.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7464686 - 09/28/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah those damn lefties with their medical marijuana dispensaries getting raided by federal men with MP5's should really quit bitchin. Not oppressed at all. there is no oppression in America.
have you ever had cops come in your home and point a machine gun at you and toss your place because you may have had some dried plant matter laying around?
I have.
so I kind of take offense when someone says I'm whiny and not oppressed. Kind of a hard viewpoint to swallow when the memory of a gun poking in your back is still quite vivid.
as for voting, I think its a waste of time. it seems to me the best way to influence american politics is to start a business and make myself wealthy. much more effective than voting, I'd say
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
#7464739 - 09/28/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wps said: yeah those damn lefties with their medical marijuana dispensaries getting raided by federal men with MP5's should really quit bitchin. Not oppressed at all. there is no oppression in America.
have you ever had cops come in your home and point a machine gun at you and toss your place because you may have had some dried plant matter laying around?
I have.
No. Nor has anyone I know or knew for over 35 years of...... Because we weren't morons. The drug laws are the laws of the PEOPLE. Blame your neighbors. You are not "oppressed" because of drug laws. Ask the monks in Burma. Ask the homos in Iran. If you don't want your house tossed because of the laws of the people DON'T SMOKE POT. It's an idiot drug anyway.Quote:
so I kind of take offense when someone says I'm whiny and not oppressed. Kind of a hard viewpoint to swallow when the memory of a gun poking in your back is still quite vivid.
as for voting, I think its a waste of time. it seems to me the best way to influence american politics is to start a business and make myself wealthy. much more effective than voting, I'd say
You got that last right. Of course, if your idea of a business is dealing reefer you are kinda fucked. And smoking reefer isn't going to help you get there. I didn't mind you not voting, it was just your previously stated rationale, which was that there was no one you agreed 100% with so you just said no. THAT was the bratty part. There will never be one single human you agree 100% with.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7464804 - 09/28/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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How is pot an idiot drug zappa please explain? I know alot of people with upstanding job's that smoke regularly. So obviously your calculation's are a bit biased I'd say. Just because cheech&chong act retarded sometime's doesn't mean that what it does for all pot head's you know. Oh and please stop with the thinking you know about what goe's on behind the scene's because you obviously have no clue. I went to a hydro store and got raided not because I grow pot but because I grow freaken vegetable's so please shut up because you don't have any idea what your talking about. Learn through experience not just what you hear someone saying.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7464809 - 09/28/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It's an idiot drug anyway.
Feynman after all, was quite the idiot
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
#7464849 - 09/28/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah at this point I'm gonna quit debating you because there is no purpose in debating the willfully ignorant.
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
#7464866 - 09/28/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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With a man such as Dr. Paul, a little extra thinking is required. I think your deduction is flawed: you say that he wants to illegalize abortions? I've never heard him come anywhere near saying that. What he has said is this: that the decision of Roe v. Wade was unconstitutional. It is his belief that the Federal government has no place to say what a woman may or may not do. It's not illegalizing abortion, it's like taking Roe v. Wade of the books.
Now, before you get all huffy, this is not a bad thing. This will enable the states to decide for themselves (which is Dr. Paul's entire standpoint). Similar is his position on the drug war. He is not a friend of drugs. He is opposed to the Drug War because of the waste associated with it. He believes that people ought to be able to decide for themselves, and not have the Federal government decide for them.
Isn't that what we all want? I know that's what I do...
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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7464876 - 09/28/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, I've had cops come and search my place on the word of a bitter ex-girlfriend.
that is all the probable cause they had.
luckily, they found nothing. twice.
but yeah, you don't have to be stupid to have your rights violated by police. just unlucky.
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