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Offlinekriminalelement
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I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but
    #7460514 - 09/27/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've noticed a lot of people on this forum, and in my little college town, that support Ron Paul. And for good reason. He is the only candidate who supports ending the war on drugs running for president. I was considering voting for him on that sole issue, even though he wants to privatize education (which I am vehemently against).

I understand very, very well why it is important to support Ron Paul. I have seen too many people go to prison for non violent drug offenses. I have been seriously harassed and debased by police officers looking for drugs.

I was raised by a man who voted for a Republican in every single presidential election (except the last one. He's really pissed at Bush about the whole "war" thing, his father went through a lot in wwII and he's generally opposed to violence). He said that if I ever got a tattoo or voted Democrat I would be disowned. But he also said this:

"K, you and I agree on more things than you think. Birth control should be mandatory. And abortion is one of the greatest inventions of all time, ahead of indoor plumbing, electricity, coal power, and antibiotics. Man invented fire, the wheel, and abortion. Good work guys. Keep it up."

Has anybody considered that Ron Paul is more vocal about ending abortion in this country than he is about the war on drugs? Does that offend anybody else as much as it offends me? I really don't like it when men tell me what to do with my body. That sort of, you know, grinds my gears a little bit. I'm also morally opposed to bringing an innocent life onto this disgusting pig ridden war torn planet. Is it still okay to support Ron Paul for his recognition of some civil rights (that affect me directly right now) in spite of his sexist policies towards women? I haven't decided yet and I'd like to debate the issue. Should I do like my father and support a "reasonable" person even though they are publicly opposed to abortion?


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7460576 - 09/27/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

even with all the things I dont agree with Ron Paul about, he is still leagues above the other candidates, as far as concern with freedom goes.

Even considering his stance on abortion, and religion... he's the best choice.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7460631 - 09/27/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Im kinda torn... i like his drug policy, but i absolutely cant stand anyone that wants to even try and make abortions illegal. If i got pregnant right now, Id have an abortion asap... even the pregancy would be close to ruining my life if i was forced to keep it till full term, even if i was gonna give it away at the end.

exactly how driven is he about making abortions illegal?


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7460634 - 09/27/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You bring up valid points.

But maybe you should take into consideration, when voting, that there is no way in hell that Ron Paul will be in any position to end the war on drugs if elected president. He will, however, be in a very strong position (backed by supreme court and maybe congress) to make sure that you and your daughters will go to jail if they ever try to get an abortion.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7460650 - 09/27/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

this is what I expect from american politics

a candidate who has some platform points I like, and others I don't

I have never voted simply because there has never been a candidate I felt was worth voting for. none of the mainstream or sideshow politicians have come up with a platform I completely agree with.

voting in this country is basically a decision of how you want to be oppressed.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460666 - 09/27/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, pretty much... its more of a choice of who is going to be 'not as bad' as the others. I would totally vote for ron because i like some of his policies, but i might not just because of the one abortion thing...

I hate american politics, and the choices we have for president


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7460674 - 09/27/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is another thing that bugs me...most people think Libertarians are all pro-life. I'm a libertarian and I'm super super pro-choice not because I give a shit about a woman's right to choose but because there are too many people in the world and scummy people are breeding too much.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460713 - 09/27/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I usually vote based not on a politician's entire platform, but based on what issues may actually get changed and are in a period of flux. Despite the fact that I agree wholeheartedly with Ron Paul's platform on drugs, I don't see what the hell he is going to be able to do about it, much less how he could get elected.

My vote will go to the presidental candidate who seems to have the best solution for Iraq, followed by the best solution for the current health care fiasco, and doesn't have any intention of outlawing abortion or otherwise re-writing the law of the land to appease the religious right. Beyond that I am willing to make a lot of concessions.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7460718 - 09/27/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like what im looking for too :thumbup:


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460754 - 09/27/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

wps said:
this is what I expect from american politics

a candidate who has some platform points I like, and others I don't

I have never voted simply because there has never been a candidate I felt was worth voting for. none of the mainstream or sideshow politicians have come up with a platform I completely agree with.

voting in this country is basically a decision of how you want to be oppressed.




OK, so if you don't get every single thing you want you are going to take your ball and go home. And you consider this oppression. You insult everybody in the world who actually is oppressed. Call a Wahhhmbulance, somebody has a hurt butt.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7460757 - 09/27/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I honestly hate breeders. families with 4-5-6 fucking children! its fucking Ridiculous ! I even lost some good friends because i told the husband to secretly get a Vasectomy.

but i am still pro-life,I just feel bad for the little guys....


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7460772 - 09/27/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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wps said:
this is what I expect from american politics

a candidate who has some platform points I like, and others I don't

I have never voted simply because there has never been a candidate I felt was worth voting for.  none of the mainstream or sideshow politicians have come up with a platform I completely agree with. 

voting in this country is basically a decision of how you want to be oppressed.




OK, so if you don't get every single thing you want you are going to take your ball and go home.  And you consider this oppression.  You insult everybody in the world who actually is oppressed.  Call a Wahhhmbulance, somebody has a hurt butt.




sounds to me like you're the one who's butthurt.  problems with people expressing their opinions much?  :lol:

don't worry, I'm planning a tour of the 3rd world in which I apologize to every starving child for complaining about America.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7460776 - 09/27/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I honestly hate breeders. families with 4-5-6 fucking children! its fucking Ridiculous ! I even lost some good friends because i told the husband to secretly get a Vasectomy.

but i am still pro-life,I just feel bad for the little guys....





Meh...I think it's better for the world and for the children if they just don't exist.  Would you want to be born to some scumbags who don't raise you right and shit?  You are being doomed to a life of crap and scumminess.  I'd rather be aborted.  :shrug:


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460785 - 09/27/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

3rd worlds definitely changed my views about America.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460810 - 09/27/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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wps said:

sounds to me like you're the one who's butthurt.  problems with people expressing their opinions much?  :lol:




wps said;
"Wahhhhhhh, I expressed an opinion and somebody was mean to me.  They must be butt hurt because I should get to say anything without challenge, wahhhhhhh."
People express their opinions all the time here.  I fairly regularly take them to task for what I perceive to be stupid opinions.  You are the first one to ever suggest that I was doing it because their opinion somehow "hurt" me.  I do it for sport and educational value for the young and unformed.  My intended audience is not necessarily the original idiot.  For instance, it gladdens my hideous heart that you refuse to vote. 
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don't worry, I'm planning a tour of the 3rd world in which I apologize to every starving child for complaining about America.




I'm sure they'll take great comfort in that.  Will you be bringing DDT?


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7460811 - 09/27/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

people in foreign countries are more oppressed than me, therefore I am not oppressed.

:smirk:


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460834 - 09/27/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some are, some aren't. You certainly are not except by the definition of a spoiled brat who doesn't always get his way. Wahhhhhh.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7460872 - 09/27/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and you sir, certainly are not logical except by the definition of a bitter man who thinks in binary.  beep boop beep.

:lol:


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7460886 - 09/27/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think a lot of people have basically been duped into supporting ron paul because he talks about the constitution a lot and he wants to end the iraq war/war on drugs. he's a straight talking guy who says "common sense" things, and people like that of course. however, a lot of liberals that support him really crack me up because they don't do a little research and discover that he's pretty much against everything they claim to stand for. i know...lesser of two evils, stopping the war comes first...the whole surrendering all your beliefs thing and choosing the lesser of two evils bullshit kind of makes me want to throw up.

however, if you're a libertarian then you probably should support him. not that he has a chance in hell of winning, but whatever.


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Re: I know Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs... but [Re: wps]
    #7460894 - 09/27/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

wps said:
people in foreign countries are more oppressed than me, therefore I am not oppressed.

:smirk:





Yup let the people know that on your 3rd world tour! Our borders need to be closed!


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