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akb112211
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ID/confirmation? don't want to die
#7454399 - 09/26/07 03:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey everyone, got a couple that I'm not 100% on, here you go... Species 1.
Habitat: Wood chips. Possibly willow or poplar. Near some agrocybe cylindracea(poplar fieldcaps) growing from roots of the dead tree that was recently chipped.
Size: Ranging from 7 to 13cm tall. Caps anywhere from 5 to 8cm.
Gills: Pale grey when young, browning to a dark chocolate color with age
Stem: White, shiny, prominent floppy ring(attached). Hollow, snaps when bent. Varying from .5-2cm wide. slightly bulbous at bottom.
Cap: Pale, cream, yellow/ochre at the center. Losing most color with age. Slimy when young(especially after nights rain)
Smell: Mealy, yeasty Taste: Not so nice, woody
Spore print color: chocolate brown.
Bruising: none
Location: South east UK In ways they resemble A. praecox though found in wood chips not grass. But look at the rooty mycelium. Too big for psathyrella, and has prominent ring. Any guesses? [image] [/image] [image] [/image] [image] [/image] [image] [/image] [image] [/image]
Species 2. Habitat: Deciduous woods, growing from cut logs that seem to have been there for a long time. Clustered
Gills: crowded, pale orangish brown. paler when young
Stem: cream/white and deep brown. Scaly below the ring. .5-.7cm wide. Hollow, but could be from larvae(maggots)
Cap: Cream with yellow/orange center when young and dry. Convex with umbo at first, then flattening. 3-6 inch diameter. Shiny darker, more orange with age. Water-logged with age from margin inwards.
Smell: mushroomy, good Taste: pleasant flesh: white
Spore print color: Brown orange.
Bruising: None
Location: south east uk [image] [/image] [image] [/image] [image] [/image] [image] [/image] I think its Galerina/Kuenheromyces mutabilis. Anyone want to second this?
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Edited by akb112211 (09/26/07 03:10 AM)
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: akb112211]
#7454413 - 09/26/07 04:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ummmmm ... nice ID request by the way...
First one i'm guessing at an Agaricus? Looks kinda Hyphaloma-like except for the obvious ring.
Second one looks like a Galerina i agree.
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: undergrounder]
#7454455 - 09/26/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the comment. When I see horrible ID requests, I'm new enough that I can still laugh at cell phone pics of mangled up fungi with the background being the only thing in perfect clarity. "Yes, I can identify that as a computer desk and a wall and a Jimi Hendrix poster, but not so sure what that white stringy lump is in the center of the pic. Do you have a spore pri...oh nevermind. Just don't eat it. You're obviously not ready" I can imagine how annoying it is for those who have been around here for a while. So...back to the mushies. Galerina yes, but specifically? Of course I would want it to be Galerina mutabilis but not galerina marginata or another poisonous species. See, I want to eat these. They're supposed to be yummy. I'm realizing, this is the danger, excitement, and attraction of mushroom hunting all in one. Not unlike an educated, informed version of russian roulette.(if that makes sense. I think its oxymoronic.) Even though I am 99.9% sure of an ID, that tiny chance that it can be confused with a killer is what puts me off. Though it was reassuring that when I finished writing up the description, I read its description in Roger's mushrooms, and matched up.(I think the newest excepted name is Kuehnermyces, not Galerina.) As for number 1, with all due respect, I'm still leaning towards Agrocybe ___(fill in the blank).
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: akb112211]
#7454482 - 09/26/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh i see, distinguishing Galerina species is way above my head.
I couldn't see what 'A' genus the 'A.praecox' was referring to, we have very few Agrocybe where i am, didn't think it stood for Amanita that's for sure.
As far as eating a Galerina look-a-like i also hope you don't die. You're a braver man than me.
Edit: Alan Rockefeller, XMush, Curecat or someone will probably know
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Edited by undergrounder (09/26/07 05:49 AM)
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: undergrounder]
#7454857 - 09/26/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are we talking the 'Funeral Bell' here?
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akb112211
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: lucymullen]
#7455421 - 09/26/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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G. marginata is the funeral bell. G.(K.) mutabilis is the sheathed woodtuft. Need to get HCl to test them just to be absolutely sure.
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: akb112211]
#7455506 - 09/26/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks 'AKB'. Not something I will be putting into my Sunday lunch.
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: lucymullen]
#7455831 - 09/26/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Number one looks like a cross between Agrocybe and Psathyrella, and number two looks like a cross between Galerina and Psathyrella. I don't think I have seen either species before.
I wouldn't eat # 2 without sending a sample to a lab to test for amatoxins first. It would be a good mushroom to take to your local mycological society.
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I'd say #1 is a psathyrella. I find them every year in similar habitats, right about this time of the year, actually. Dunno about the Galerina, I'm not very much at home in that genus.
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: koraks]
#7456055 - 09/26/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree the first is a Psathyrella, maybe Psathyrella rugocephala or P. delineata, the second mushroom has scales below the veil, it might be a pholiota.
Edited by falcon (09/26/07 03:24 PM)
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: falcon]
#7458737 - 09/27/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot everyone. What puts me off psathyrella is the ring on the stem of my specimen. Thats why it really seems to be like Alan said, 'a cross between Agrocybe and psathyrella. Strange. Wait, Think I got it... http://www.mushroomexpert.com/agrocybe_praecox.html by the way, there is an active agrocybe. Its A. farinacea. Apparently only grows in Japan...Until someone gets ahold of some spores! hehehe
I think as far as species 2 is concerned. I will be sure to test for amatoxins. The velvety scales below the ring are a specific trait of K. Mutabilis. I have the feeling (only because I feel pretty confident in my initial ID) that this mushroom is rare in America(if even found at all). I think it is relatively common in the UK and deadly galerinas are not quite as common. heres a link http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~6630~gid~.asp Thanks everyone. Oh yeah, don't worry, I won't eat them yet...
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: akb112211]
#7458750 - 09/27/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi akb, nice ID request, as usual. 
#1 looks fragile... Agrocybe do not split like yours on the pileus, they are a tough mushroom, and are prone to crack, rather than split.
I have to go with Psathyrella... Perhaps P. longistriata? I know that is a long shot, considering its said distribution, however, I have found species, previously only documented in Europe, here on the West Coast of the U.S. . Or perhaps there is a relative species I am not aware of. http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~6690~gid~.asp http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Psathyrella_longistriata.html
As for #2, I definitely would NOT eat that. It does not look like a Kuehneromyces species to me, it looks like a Galerina. Kuehneromyces have light to dark brown spores, where as Galerina have rusty brown spore prints, which is consistent with your collection.
I don't want you to die either.
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: CureCat]
#7458829 - 09/27/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cool, thanks. gonna check out the links. I won't eat em. Got to get back to work. Gotta get mushrooms of the mind!
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Re: ID/confirmation? don't want to die [Re: akb112211]
#7460406 - 09/27/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> What puts me off psathyrella is the ring on the stem of my specimen.
Psathyrella can have a veil or no veil, with a ring, or it can have no ring. They can have smooth spores or rough warty spores. They can have thin fragile white stalks or a more substantial stipe. The spores can be brown, black, purple-brown, or reddish.
Some more bitching and moaning about Psathyrella can be found here.
Fortunately, AH Smith's monograph on Psathyrella is available free here.
That site also has the following, full text for free:
Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1971] The boletes of Michigan, by Alexander H. Smith and Harry D. Thiers. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1964] A monograph on the genus Galerina Earle / by Alexander H. Smith and Rolf Singer. Hesler, L. R. (Lexemuel Ray) / [1965] North American species of Crepidotus, by L.R. Hesler and Alexander H. Smith. Hesler, L. R. (Lexemuel Ray) / [1963] North American species of Hygrophorus / L.R. Hesler [and] Alexander H. Smith. Hesler, L. R. (Lexemuel Ray) / [c1979] North American species of Lactarius / L. R. Hesler, Alexander H. Smith. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1947] North American species of Mycena. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1968] The North American species of Pholiota, by Alexander H. Smith and L. R. Hesler. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1972] The North American species of Psathyrella. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1966] A preliminary account of the North American species of Rhizopogon [by] Alexander H. Smith and S.M. Zeller. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [1951] Puffballs and their allies in Michigan. Smith, Alexander Hanchett, 1904- / [c1983] The veiled species of Hebeloma in the western United States / Alexander H. Smith, Vera Stucky Evenson, and Duane H. Mitchel.
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