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I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!!
#7459876 - 09/27/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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At least i think i can.
Ok some background story to this phenomana!!
About a month ago i was trying to meditate when i was going to sleep at around 3am. I was letting my body fall asleep while my mind is wide awake.I closed my eyes and layed strait on my back with arms to my side, very relaxed position. I felt as if my body was falling asleep but i was forcing my mind to stay awake. I was very relaxed and it felt good, like my whole body was ganing energy and i could feel it flowing through me. After what felt like a little over an hour i felt this fuzzy feeling starting to spread from my chest to all over my body (from the inside of the skin). I did not know what this was, so i stayed still. When this "fuzzy" feeling finally toke over all of my body i started to hear this high pitched sound, again i didnt know wtf this was. As teh sound slowly slowly got louder and louder the fuzzy feeling got stronger and stronger. This REALLY freaked me out!! The sound got louder and louder, so loud that if someone was sitting right next to me and tlaking i would not hear them. I could'nt take it anymore and i felt as if my ear drums are gonna explode, so i opened my eyes and sat up. Once i sat up the sound and the feeling stopped really fast. But it didnt stop liek RIGHT away it kinda winded down but after like 3 seconds i could not hear or feel anything. I turned around and looked at my clock that was sitting at the bed counter and it read 4:20
It was really wierd and i didnt know what it was. A few days later i read the chapters in DMT: The Spirit Molecule talking about the theories revolving around endogenous DMT release, and i read a little about the experience itself. I was VERY suprised when i read about day time melatonin and night time melatonin and how in between theres a possibility of DMT to be produced ( correct me if im wrong i might have missunderstoodthat part), and all this occurs between 4am and 5am, or something around those hours. Also in teh experience itself i read that the first effects of the drug is a high pitched sound, so again i was fuckign suprised!
I also remmber reading(not sure if in that DMT book or not) that the brain has some ability to extract all of the DMT in teh mind and dispose of it in matter of seconds, some special thing the brain thats built around the pineal glad.
I told my friend about this experience and i told him to try and let him body fall asleep while he keeps his mind awake, to see if he can also feel what i felt. The next day he told me that he felt a fuzzy feeling but it freaked him out so he got up to get a drink and then went to sleep.
About a week after my first experience i tried doing the same thing to see if i can reinact what happened to me a week before. I went to sleep around the same time and did teh same thing, a fuzzy feeling came on at some point but it was very weak and it left the body pretty fast(a min after it started). I wasent ready to face failer so i kept on staying awake with a body thats asleep. I was about to give up when suddenly i was struck with that high pitched sound again but this time it start off VERY VERY loud and it came on liek suddenly out of the silence. With this high pitched sound came on a scream, it sounded like a horror movie girl scream and it scared the shit out of me. It scared me so much that i opened my eyes and sat up and the sound was gone while my heart was pounding. It scared me so much that i stopped trying that night and went to sleep.
Fast forword another week. This time i wanted to try again to do this and not sit up when i hear the sound. I wanted to see if this is really DMT or wtf this is, so i decided the let the sound and the feeling engulf me and not give up and sit up and kill it. After like an hour and a half of being in the mind awake body asleep thing it started. Again i felt a rush comming from my chest and flowing through my body, the sound started and it was getting louder and louder. I kept telling myself to not give up and to see where this sound and feeling will take me. The sound got louder, the feeling got stronger and i was not gonna give up so easily. However the sound got SO loud that i actually thought i might go deaf from this shit because its soooo fuckign loud. The volume was like putting ur ear to a V12 engine and having someone blast that engine with some power. i mean it was really really reall loud. The only thing that bothered me was teh sound and not the feeling, the feeling was nice and warm and fuzzy. I had to give up because it started to freak me out, so i sat up. My heart was beating fast and i was taking in fast breaths. I turned around and saw that my clock read 4:46. I said to myself that that was enough for one night. So i went to sleep.
A little over a week ago i tried again. I went to sleep at around 2am. I positioned myself comfotably on the bed, and closed my eyes. after like 30 min i was still in that position, then i acidentally fell asleep. I had a very wired and lucid dream. I was on a beach with my sister and my friends and we saw like 30 genie lamps stuck in the sand, randomly scattered on the beach. My friend picked one up and rubbed it. A big blue genie came out and looked liek that genie from Aladin. I understood what this meant and i asked him that for my first wish i was a jet-ski(seeing how we are right next to the sea this was a good idea). Right after i asked this i found myself looking at myself from 3rd person view, kind of like in a computer game. I was all dressed in like this water suit(something like the jet-ski drivers wear) and i was on this jet-ski like 5 meters infront of where i was before(when asking for the first wish). i looked to the side and all of my friends not turned to random people and they were all on jet-skies. i started the motor and rode on this wave comign right at me, it sent me in teh air like 2 meters above teh sea and i came zooming down, crashing into the wave infront of me. I sank down waht seemed like 2-4 meters underwater(still looking at myself in 3rd person). Right when i crashed i woke up and suprise suprise the sound was there, it was like right when i crashed and woke up i came back to reality away from teh dream world and meanwhile the sound and feelign had already started to take over my body. This time it was extremly loud, louder then the time before. When i woke up i opened my eyes but i didnt see anyhting that was not normal. I sat up and this feeling went away. I went to take a piss and came back to sleep for the night. After i fel asleep again i was in a very real and very lucid dream. I had full control of my body but somehow i didnt think i was in a dream. however this did not feel like any other dream i had, i mean it really felt "real". The dream was long so i wont go into details but i will say that at one point i was thinking to ask this guy something and after jsut lookign at him it was like he ansewred me or something but without words, it was wierd but helpful(i asked him if this girl that was next to him was his "girl" he replied no in some kind of telepathic way, so i was pleased and i reached over and started making out with her). The last things i remember in teh dream was soemthing along the lines of saving polar bears and i remmeber seeing some really mechanical animations it was hard to explain but the image is still in my head so i can prolly draw it.
I have never tried DMT so im not sure of the feelings. After these experiences started to happen i got really interested in DMT and it wont take long till ill try it (a month at the most).
I was wondering if any of you guys can comment on what i wrote, or share information if you heard this stuff happening before. Maby its not endogenous DMT, maby its somehting else, idk im not a doctor, but tell me what u guys think.
All of the stuff i experienced are real, im not bluffing you. This is the first time im telling these stories to anyone outside of my circle of good friends, so please dont mak me regret it.
I also recommend any of you guys to try this stuff and see if it works for you. My friend called me the other day tellign me that he heard a sound too but it freaked him out and he was too tired to "explore" it.
Also, sorry if i misspelled words my english is not that well.
P.S. After the last experience had happen i am experienceing very "real" dreams everytime i go to sleep. and it seems that every night im having a lucid dream and i can remmeber all of it in details.
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Edited by Enhance_Shammy (09/27/07 11:27 AM)
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7459903 - 09/27/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had a theory that astral projection (what you're experiencing is leading on to that) has been the concious mind experiencing DMT.
That fuzzy feeling you get or what most AP'ers call vibrations is leading up to the seperation from your body and soul. In order to be able to AP you have to get comftorable with the feeling and delve deeper than before. Astral projection is a very weird thing to explore, but very very mind opening. And anyone who believes in the spirit molecule should look into astral projection. I would say astral projection is the almost more open form of DMT because you aren't always sent to the same astral plane. Honestly I would have to say APing is very much like naturally tripping on DMT. It's quite a trip.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7460004 - 09/27/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never tried DMT unfortunately, but I have astral projected a bunch of times and I always figured DMT would be wayyyy more intense. Is the ringing in your ears when you are about to astral project the same as when you are about to breakthrough on DMT?
Rabid, I was wondering if you could explain more these different astral planes? The times I've done it I've always seemed to end up in the same kind of place where my intentions control my movement, even more than a lucid dream where I still move with a dream body and thoughts. AP almost feels like virtual reality.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7460008 - 09/27/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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aha i see. What your saying is very interesting. All of my good friends have been going to this AP class where some hippie is leading a free of charge class on how to astral project. I was always busy with stuff so i couldent go with them, but they tell me that what iv experienced is the first step to astral projection. I am more interested in DMT then in AP so i was atracted more to teh idea that what i experienced is naturally occuring DMT and not AP. However you do raise a valid point that AP is caused by DMT which does make sense. Anyways i was never good at meditation so i was thinking this is a DMT release and not me achieving the first step to AP. But again that can be wrong and this can be some AP stuff.
anyways do u reccomend i go deeper and let this feelign completly take me? even if it breaks my ear drums?
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7460039 - 09/27/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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3. am is when the pineal secretions are highest and is the best time for meditation. a monk told me this.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7460044 - 09/27/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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DMT release IS the first step to AP (in my mind). But yes I say you should let go of your feelings and dive deeper into what you're experiencing. If it's not the beginnings of astral projection, I'd like to see where your soul is taking you.
Eternal: I believe that intentions controlling your actions is mainly present through most of AP, not so much that its because of the dimension you're in, but it's more because it's the only way your body and traverse through these new areas. My first few AP's were in complete pitch black and the only other thing present was my spirit guide, but after a while I began to 'see' the terrain and notice the vast differences in each area when APing. Sometimes you'll find the landscape to on earth, I believe there is a wide range of planes and that you can go from higher to lower planes. We're around the middle somewhere, and whenever you go to planes that are very close to ours, I believe you still connected with earth and that you're presently on it, but your tuned into a different frequency so you're seeing odd monsters and entities instead of everyday people. The lower planes I would say are closer to a 'bad trip' and the higher are more light and airy, alot more content and peaceful. My main thing with AP is I would like to get acces to the Akashic record (if they exist) and I enjoy making contact and communications with foreign entities.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7460054 - 09/27/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It won't break your ear drums, it just feels like it will. Honestly I feel like it's a test to see if you really want it to happen because usually the loud ringing/humming will scare me shitless. Try and let it take you over completely and hold the intention of lifting or rolling out of your body, if it works there should be a 'pop' and you'll find yourself floating around in some weird alternate reality.
That's really interesting, babboon. Have you read Robert Monroe? Based on your experiences, do you think a lot of it is legit?
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7460063 - 09/27/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah dude thats astral projection or OBE - out of body experience. i would definitely explore it further. you should read some robert monroe books, or books on astral projection in general. thats awesome you can do that the possibilities are endless with ap.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7460087 - 09/27/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, what you're experiencing is surely one of the first stages of astral projection/OBE... the fuzziness and sound are key factors here... I've played with this myself some and can second what you say... However, I've had spontaneous OBE before, and the effects can be much like that of DMT... Shooting through hyperspace tunnels at millions of miles an hour with this intense vibrational sound rocketing your whole body... as well, returning to one's body is the same thing in reverse, and you can feel yourself pop back into your body and realign. These spontaneous experiences were out of my control since I didn't initiate them consciously, so I had no time to become lucid or explore, just sit back and watch the ride. I've got a theory as well that OBE and astral projection are closely correlated with DMT production in the brain... if not DMT, some other tryptamine... this doesn't mean the experience is not real or valid... it more so means that the production of DMT in the brain is a real and valid means to seperate one's consciousness from their body. I would encourage you to explore and go further, but you must do so without fear... one can always return to their body easily with intent, but when they're outside of it, and freaking out, it's hard to remember this simply fact. I truly believe smoked DMT or high oral aya doses are indeed valid trips out of the body at times (or deep into the mind) however, the experiences are usually so chaotic and fast, one has no time to utilize the experience (though the traditional ayahuasceros will beg to differ!) I believe this state of consciousness you a reaching is not only the platform for out of body and astral projection, but for numerous other stages, with OBE being the first and lowest, as well as least beneficial. The process you are describing can also be seconded in the release of kundalini through meditation, evoloving towards enlightenment. Kundalini, I am also sure is synonomous to the production of DMT or something similar in the body. It all ties in together very perfectly and makes sense, as long as you're willing to except DMT has the ability to seperate or help evolve consciousness, and not view it as a petty drug. In transcendental meditation, it is said to not pay attention the the odd body phenomena that may or may not happen along the way: out of body experiences being one of the primary factors... they say to hold onto the experience as it is... mainly a still mind and dead body, and keep going and going... Eventually, one is supposed to be able to evolve their mind to the point where it merges with not on the planetary and celestial spheres, but with the all-pervading consciousness of the universe as well... this however takes much time and control. I believe you've stumbled upon something more-than-useful... but do not use it as a toy... this is serious business, and if used incorrectly, could cause you to lost your consciousness in the astral abyss somewhere (which has been said to happen), thus the reason yogis stress to pay no attention to the out of body experience... out of body experiences can really only be utilized rightfully when one has reached the FULL point of enlightenment and has complete control over their mind. This makes sense, as we can hardly control or govern our own lives from point blank, let alone our astral life... we must first master our minds completely through dedication and intent, before we can turn around and utilize our knowledge in the common everyday experience. Just so you know, do not be surprised when all sorts of odd and interesting phenomena start occuring around you during waking hours: things dissappearing, odd lights and sounds, moving objects, telepathy, etc. They are known products of the mental evolutionary process, and I can attest to this myself. Good luck on your way my friend!
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: emeryg89]
#7460118 - 09/27/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Robert monroe is good for studying OBE experiences.. anything on near-death experiences is the same as well, just that the OBE is forced by trauma instead of willingly or spontaneously induced.
However, reading on some transcendental meditation and kundalini will aid you in traversing the spheres without fear, and with the knowledge that should be used in such states...
OBE again, are not toys... in these states your consciousness and physical body are susceptible to all kinds of horrendous activity, especially if you begin the experiences with fear... there ARE entities that feed upon fear, and can make your physical self very weak and sick if your consciousness is not properly attuned. One ought to have definate goals and outlooks and a very determined yet peace-bearing mindset during the experience. Darkness can not bring down light, but can surely bring down darkness.
Tread wisely friend.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: emeryg89]
#7460375 - 09/27/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well one must consider that the chemical reaction is really DMT or not. which still is unproven. the way i like to think of it, is that dmt brings the brain to the same or similar state. I have had many a experience i dont think it should be classified as a drug doing it you could say its a cocktail of drugs like in every other experience in life, such as the joy you get listening to a song or when kissing your lover. im all against trying to label this stuff in that way and all for just accepting it as life and the world we live in. or should i go oh the only reason my girl friends kiss was so good was because of dopamine Acetylcholine and opiate like drugs in the brain. she made me feel way better then heroin would with her kiss. chemicals are a means for action vessels thats all, as the body is too a vessel and both are constantly changing self reflecting vessels for the soul.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: thedudenj]
#7460780 - 09/27/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree with you thedudenj. As long as the greater society treats these substances as "useless harmful DRUGS" they will convey only that. The secrets and potential that these substances hold have been known to humans for a very very long time, and now with the increase of technology its easier to pass truthful unbiased information to more people. I believe that the outlook that the majority of people have about psychedelics will change with time.
emeryg89, Rabidbaboon, EternalCowabunga, and Locus . Thank you for providing so much information about my particular phenomenon. When i felt these effects on my body i was not scared. The only concern i had was blowing my ears away because, again, this was a new experience for me and the lack of knowledge left me with the only option of "omg im freakin' out mannnn". I know this classmate that shared his AP's with me and my friends. I remember him telling us that he was APing for like 8 hours one time and that he was flying around the world going to all these places and stuff and that its an amazing feeling(and at any time he could return to his body in a second!).
How do you guys feel about binaural beats, and psychoacoustics? I heard that listening to this stuff can really help you go out of body by stimulating the pineal with different frequencies. Very interesting stuff.
I WILL attempt to go deeper with this feeling tonight when i go to sleep. I'll report back with whatever i find.
thx for all the positive feedback, i was really skeptical about posting this here wasn't sure if people where gonna flame me or help me, but I'm glad i consulted with experienced people!:D
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7461122 - 09/27/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The binaural beats and various brain enhancement sounds work, however, they're utterly unneccesary, save for the impatient folks, who ought not be partaking in such an experience in the first place.
If you can achieve the state you have without anything, do it that way. Eventually, you'll get a feel for it, and know the mindset you need to be in ahead of time... you'll be able to create the experience within minutes, not hours.
The binaural beats, herbs, chemicals etc. are just much more expensive ways of achieving the same means. There is nothing more perfect than the well-attuned mind. The other things are just crutches, to possibly help you on your way or accelerate the process.
Working it out yourself is the best and most comfortable way to go. Trust your intuition. You know what you need, not the music or drugs.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7461190 - 09/27/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think in your case you wouldnt even need the binaural audio methods. its awesome you can do it almost naturally and youre only going to get better the more you do it. so i think itd just be unnecessary for you.
you really should maybe download or buy the first monroe book so you can see how he got into it and how he developed this ability. or buy some other AP/OBE books so you can really understand it better. ive read quite a lot of these types of books myself as ive always been very interested in it.
my favorite books on the subject are robert monroe's ... theres a trilogy .... "journeys out of the body" "far journeys" and the ultimate journey" and theyre actually among my favorite books in general, not just on the subject. with the first monroe book, "journeys out of the body" its more like a journal of his experiences and how it all started where he didnt know what was happening and nobody even knew of the term obe or ap back then but he kept going forward and so on and so on it just gets more and more deep into it and its a great read anyway. with the second and third books he continues for years and years and goes further and further into it way way way way ahead of where you are right now. thats why id suggest the first book to see how alike your situation is with how he stumbled into it and where he went from there.
As for a more technical and up to date approach to it that has methods and the mechanics of everything. books that really outline all types of stuff involved instead of just journal like experiences (ie monroe) you should search on amazon OBE or Astral Projection and look around. i have book recommendations for that also but i cant place them at the moment. let me know though if you need any help or have any questions
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Locus]
#7461352 - 09/27/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i hate when people say binaural doesnt work. If some one yells at the right pitch for a certain time it will cause a head each. tuning forks can induce trance, druming can induce trance. why not a constant pitch
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: thedudenj]
#7461953 - 09/27/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone was saying they don't work... just that they're not necessary if one is already well on the way... binaural beats as well as shamanic drumming, chanting, and singing bowls all serve the same purpose, to entrance the mind... Certain chemicals/plants/fungi can do this as well. They all serve the same purpose in the end, but if one does not recognize them for what they really are, an initiator or tool, then they will turn into crutches and one will rely less on their own mind and more on an external source. By all means, some people need to get aquainted with altered consciousness via external means before they can even recognize the reality of it. Once it's recognized though, the rest of the work can be done with the mind alone. It seems the poster of this thread is well endowed with the natural knack of inducing altered states at will, or at least with some concentration involved... to further the process of seeking out and utilizing external means at this point will only diminish whatever power has been thus gained through experience. The mind is the only tool ever needed for anything. And that's that. Other things do serve their purpose though, at the right place and time...
I'm guessing with the attunement with certain tones and beats would draw one's consciousness into different vibratory planes, maybe not all working toward the same exact sphere. Trance drumming is typically used to descend into the underworld, whereas certain chanting and singing bowls are used to ascend the spheres upward. However, if one learns to astral project or induce OBE and actually learn how to control and utilize the experience, all of these realms and planes are at their beckoning by shear will-power and intent.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: emeryg89]
#7462161 - 09/27/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah its not the drugs its the vibes.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: thedudenj]
#7539954 - 10/20/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK.
After weeks of trying to improve with the feeling i have i think i made drastic improvements!
I managed to experience the same feeling i had, a few times. At the beginning the sound got really loud and i went with it, then it slowly died out. However this one time i let it get louder and engulf me and then suddenly i felt this really strong pain across my chest. It was like i had this thick needles all stuck in my chest, and i had this feeling like my chest was ripping open (and it really hurt!).
A few nights ago i think i got out of body!! IT all started like this: i went to sleep trying to meditate and achieve the same state, however i fell asleep. I had some strange ass dream when suddenly i woke up! I heard the sound and felt this incredible energy in the tips of my fingers, i stretched my arm across the room (while lying down on the bed) and tried to somehow use that energy as kind of breaking my hand out of my physical body. FUCKING insane shit happens next. suddenly i felt like i was zooming at incredible speed from my bed to the living room, toke like 1sec. suddenly there was silence. I then found myself floating like 1 meter above the floor looking at my sisters cat (wanders sometimes during night time around the house). I looked at the cat and suddenly i zoomed right to the cat a few inches away from his face. I then tried touching the cat and i saw my hand grabbing the cat by its throat and holding him above the air. the cat made some fucked up looking face and i let go of him right away. He then ran into my sisters bed room and i followed, i then saw my sister lying in her bed sleeping. Only then the thought of me being out of body occurred to me, so i looked up to the window in the room and trying to fly through it to see the outside. Once i tried moving towards the window the effect died and i found myself suddenly back in my bed, thinking to myself WTF!
I don't know if i did manage to go out of body that night or if i fell asleep and dreamed this. When all this was happening it felt real, but every time i try to remember it it feels like the memory is a memory of a dream.
Anyways i keep trying to meditate and reach that same state that i was, but i keep falling asleep
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7540543 - 10/20/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I must commend you on a natural talent
(not spelling)
you are naturally getting into Jhana or absorption. (really few people are natural with it) if you read up on meditative absorption you will find the correlations. and you may find the kind of support you are looking for and guidance for taking it further.
there is lots of bad information out there.
1. the mind is not releasing or producing DMT that was a conjecture from a scientist not a fact and it does not pan out in reality. SORRY.
2. a million experiences called OBE are actually IBE absorption experiences. the shaking or vibration and high pitched feed back sounds are feedback (neural feedback A.K.A "joy") which can become auto sustained with concentration during meditative absorption - refered to as effortless sustained concentration .
3. the wild and wooley experiences - astral travelling - OBE poke abouts etc. are side trips. Good for the reports, but they kinda get in the way too.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: redgreenvines]
#7542344 - 10/21/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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All the theories revolving Endogenous DMT formation has not been proven and has not been dis-proven, simply pick your side of the argument based on your beliefs. Personally i believe that DMT is created by our minds to achieve the unused potential that our brain possesses. I am not advising to go smoke as much DMT as you can because you will increase your potential. But just like we have different chemicals that perform certain tasks in our body, it is possible that endogenous DMT does serve a specific purpose. Scientist say we only use roughly 10% of our brains potential, and i believe that with time evolution will do its toll and more potential will be conscious to us.
AS much as our thoughts and beliefs differ in this matter, redgreenvines, i thank you for your contribution to this thread and i will read up on this meditative absorption.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7542392 - 10/21/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is called "sleep paralysis"
its natural, when your body falls asleep, but your mind is awake.
It is silly of you to jump to the conclusion that you are able to spur a DMT trip at night, the DMT is only released when you are under EXTREME stress levels, like when you are born, or you are about to die.
Oh and also, you have to realize that the DMT spirit molecule is a THEORY, and is in NO WAY based upon scientific fact.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Helpme1]
#7542829 - 10/21/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Helpme1 said: It is called "sleep paralysis"
its natural, when your body falls asleep, but your mind is awake.
It is silly of you to jump to the conclusion that you are able to spur a DMT trip at night, the DMT is only released when you are under EXTREME stress levels, like when you are born, or you are about to die.
Oh and also, you have to realize that the DMT spirit molecule is a THEORY, and is in NO WAY based upon scientific fact.
No its not. Ive experienced sleep paralysis, and it is nowhere near Astral Projection/Deep Meditation.
I have gone to the point of being fuzzy and hearing the noise, feeling like my mind is about to get sucked from my body, and just been so freaked out I have stopped it. that was about 2 years ago.
Im gonna have to get into this again.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Helpme1]
#7543239 - 10/21/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Helpme1 said: It is called "sleep paralysis"......DMT is only released when you are under EXTREME stress levels, like when you are born, or you are about to die.
First of all sleep paralysis is something you are born with. If you dont have sleep paralysis you cannot experience it, and it is very different then AP.
what you just said about DMT being released in stressful moments is also a theory. A theory from the same book that proposes that DMT is produced every night. Its all theory i never said its a fact. But its a theory i choose to believe, just like you believe in the theory that DMT is not produced every night.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7543684 - 10/21/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dreaming and psychedelic effects relate to layering and mergeing of signal patterns at a more intense level than in ordinary consciousness. the simplest way this can be understood is by slowing down the fading of signals. DMT is one of several chemicals that induces the brain to operate in a state with slower fading of signals.
probably recognizing that the same processes occur without DMT or LSD or Salvinorin or Psilocybin during dreams and meditation made the scientist conjecture that DMT (or something like it) is produced naturally in brain.
there have not been adequate experiments to examine how tiny amounts of LSD or Salvia can produce such dramatic effects on systemic slowing of fading of signals.
likely these drugs are acting like a hormonal stimulant to something that changes the neuronal twanginess from a sober damped state to a very stoned and extra reverberant state.
The natural neuro transmitter Serotonin seems implicated in some of this, serotonin flooded synapses would tend to keep firing longer after initial excitation. And the 5-HT2A or Serotonin-2a receptor site is affected by these drugs, they do bind in a way that increases the local serotonin in the synapses.
None of this indicates that DMT is involved in natural serotonin synapse flooding when sleeping or emotional, in fact it could be a lucky freak of nature that DMT and LSD etc. work at all at 5-HT2A they way they do, natural mental state shifting could be triggered by some feedback in the brain, or some timing cue - usually amplified by turning off the body senses by engaging signal blocking in the reticular formation.
The perplexing similarity of the salvinorin effect to the DMT effect and the completely different chemical binding (kappa opiate receptors) profiles, suggest that the mental state shift trigger (possibly the modulator of serotonin flooding) is some other kind of pattern, or physical event which these drugs are accidentally able to emulate by their action on possibly unrelated structures.
what about the idea that lsd is active in quantities that are so small that there is no way that it can get out to all the 5-HT2A receptors that are being affected, while a dose of dMT is closer to the medicinal expectation of the effect on 5-HT2A receptors.
one might infer that DMT had to be an intermediate in order to explain the lsd and salvinorin effects.
I think we just need to keep looking rather than jumping to conclusions about it.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7543757 - 10/21/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enhance_Shammy, read up about the Yoga of Sleep and the energy winds in Tantric Buddhism. I have experienced a similar thing on accident, whooshing noise and a tingling pulling sensation from my extremities inward. Buddhists call this the collapsing of the energy winds and a similar thing happens at death. They have the whole thing pegged down even to that particular sound. It happens EVERY night, you just normally aren't conscious to experience it.
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Divided_Sky]
#7700013 - 11/30/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iv read about Tantric Buddism and its the shit!
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7700114 - 11/30/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreen: You said the actual out of body experience distracts us or pulls us away. So what should we be focusing on?
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