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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7542392 - 10/21/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It is called "sleep paralysis"

its natural, when your body falls asleep, but your mind is awake.

It is silly of you to jump to the conclusion that you are able to spur a DMT trip at night, the DMT is only released when you are under EXTREME stress levels, like when you are born, or you are about to die.

Oh and also, you have to realize that the DMT spirit molecule is a THEORY, and is in NO WAY based upon scientific fact.


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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Helpme1]
    #7542829 - 10/21/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Helpme1 said:
It is called "sleep paralysis"

its natural, when your body falls asleep, but your mind is awake.

It is silly of you to jump to the conclusion that you are able to spur a DMT trip at night, the DMT is only released when you are under EXTREME stress levels, like when you are born, or you are about to die.

Oh and also, you have to realize that the DMT spirit molecule is a THEORY, and is in NO WAY based upon scientific fact.





No its not.
Ive experienced sleep paralysis, and it is nowhere near Astral Projection/Deep Meditation.

I have gone to the point of being fuzzy and hearing the noise, feeling like my mind is about to get sucked from my body, and just been so freaked out I have stopped it. that was about 2 years ago.

Im gonna have to get into this again.


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OfflineEnhance_Shammy
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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Helpme1]
    #7543239 - 10/21/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Helpme1 said:
It is called "sleep paralysis"......DMT is only released when you are under EXTREME stress levels, like when you are born, or you are about to die.





First of all sleep paralysis is something you are born with. If you dont have sleep paralysis you cannot experience it, and it is very different then AP.


what you just said about DMT being released in stressful moments is also a theory. A theory from the same book that proposes that DMT is produced every night. Its all theory i never said its a fact. But its a theory i choose to believe, just like you believe in the theory that DMT is not produced every night.


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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7543684 - 10/21/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

dreaming and psychedelic effects relate to layering and mergeing of signal patterns at a more intense level than in ordinary consciousness.
the simplest way this can be understood is by slowing down the fading of signals.
DMT is one of several chemicals that induces the brain to operate in a state with slower fading of signals.

probably recognizing that the same processes occur without DMT or LSD or Salvinorin or Psilocybin during dreams and meditation made the scientist conjecture that DMT (or something like it) is produced naturally in brain.

there have not been adequate experiments to examine how tiny amounts of LSD or Salvia can produce such dramatic effects on systemic slowing of fading of signals.

likely these drugs are acting like a hormonal stimulant to something that changes the neuronal twanginess from a sober damped state to a very stoned and extra reverberant state.

The natural neuro transmitter Serotonin seems implicated in some of this, serotonin flooded synapses would tend to keep firing longer after initial excitation.
And the 5-HT2A or Serotonin-2a receptor site is affected by these drugs, they do bind in a way that increases the local serotonin in the synapses.

None of this indicates that DMT is involved in natural serotonin synapse flooding when sleeping or emotional, in fact it could be a lucky freak of nature that DMT and LSD etc. work at all at 5-HT2A they way they do, natural mental state shifting could be triggered by some feedback in the brain, or some timing cue - usually amplified by turning off the body senses by engaging signal blocking in the reticular formation.

The perplexing similarity of the salvinorin effect to the DMT effect and the completely different chemical binding (kappa opiate receptors) profiles, suggest that the mental state shift trigger (possibly the modulator of serotonin flooding) is some other kind of pattern, or physical event which these drugs are accidentally able to emulate by their action on possibly unrelated structures.

what about the idea that lsd is active in quantities that are so small that there is no way that it can get out to all the 5-HT2A receptors that are being affected, while a dose of dMT is closer to the medicinal expectation of the effect on 5-HT2A receptors.

one might infer that DMT had to be an intermediate in order to explain the lsd and salvinorin effects.

I think we just need to keep looking rather than jumping to conclusions about it.


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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7543757 - 10/21/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Enhance_Shammy, read up about the Yoga of Sleep and the energy winds in Tantric Buddhism. I have experienced a similar thing on accident, whooshing noise and a tingling pulling sensation from my extremities inward. Buddhists call this the collapsing of the energy winds and a similar thing happens at death. They have the whole thing pegged down even to that particular sound. It happens EVERY night, you just normally aren't conscious to experience it.


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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7700013 - 11/30/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Iv read about Tantric Buddism and its the shit!


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Re: I Can Experience Endogenous DMT Release!!!! [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7700114 - 11/30/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

redgreen: You said the actual out of body experience distracts us or pulls us away. So what should we be focusing on?


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