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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7473231 - 10/01/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Even if the stars do effect our personality, how could any one possibly make a chart which lays it out so perfectly? Thats my main reason against it, even if the basic idea is true, theres no way any one would know how to decipher there effects.


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7473241 - 10/01/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just letting you know there have been reports

I'm also a person who believes all languages was given from god

and that man never made language

thats what I believe




Language is one of our greatest accomplishments; it wasn't bestowed upon us. It has occured naturally, over thousands of years - the result of human beings relating to each other. To be understood is based upon a lot of misunderstanding. :smirk:

The thought of prehistoric men sitting facing each other, a rock between them, conveys quite well how it all started. The larger, more hairy man pointed to the rock, and then pointed to himself. The other man pointed at the rock, and then pointed at himself, mimicking the behavior of the large man. This resulted in the larger man slapping the hand of the other man, and then he repeated the gesture. The other man started to point to himself after pointing at the rock, and then the pattern recognition program in his mind jolted him with the unpleasant sensation of being smacked. In order to avoid this, he stopped for a second, and then, in a moment of inspiration, pointed towards the larger man. A breakthrough experience, inevitably producing this present conversation. :hehehe:




total bullshit your talking mate

lol watch this south park clip this is what you belive hahahaha

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OOOOOOOOOOOOO W A T C H    T H I S  I T S  F U N N Y OOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473264 - 10/01/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

haha monkey fish frog


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7473287 - 10/01/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Even if the stars do effect our personality, how could any one possibly make a chart which lays it out so perfectly? Thats my main reason against it, even if the basic idea is true, there's no way any one would know how to decipher there effects.




thats where i believe guardian angels, god and spirits and astral travailing come in to play

everything that is and ever was is soooo perfect,

don't forget god never just made man and earth,

why so much space if gods not using it for something

we all know how massively unthinkable space and the universe/multivers and foreverness is like

so perfect to the nanometer

see at the bottom of my text box

click that book download and read, its quite interesting even if you don't believe it


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473290 - 10/01/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Life is a constant transformation of form, even in this moment. The identity that we associate with being human belies the nature of these transformative qualities. Contribute to the discussion in a meaningful manner or not, it is your choice. :shrug:


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: Bard]
    #7473304 - 10/01/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh, but what actually makes it so that the position of these stars have this effect? Wouldn't everyone display the same traits as the earth spins on its axis and revolves around the Sun? Why is it that the position of the stars on the first day that you are born has such a signfigant effect on one's personality, yet the effects of the positions of the stars on every other day do not?

Also, it would seem that every single star in the sky would have its effect, and how many stars are there? What is the mechanism in question for producing these effects? If it is not known, then how can we conclude the stars are responsible, if there are much more clear, observable aspects of reality that influence and shape our behavior?

Astrology simply seems to be horribly ineffective in representing the nature of reality. The simple fact that some individuals can read a description of how they are that someone else has written, and exclaim "Hey, that is me!" demonstrates nothing. They ask, "How is it that this description describes me so well?" The answer of the individual that wrote the description, "Oh, its the position of the stars!". It just seems kind of shady to me... :shrug:


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7473325 - 10/01/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats cool that you believe in things like that alchino. I remember once i was talking to my friend, i was only about 14 and we were talking about the meaning of life, and he said "whatever it is, im sure its not going to be anything we expect". The truth of that really stuck with me. This universe is obviously something so far beyond out comprehension, that i think we would be arrogant to rule anything out.


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7473328 - 10/01/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sorry dude
I didn't mean to be rude but I cant see this whole cave man idea
I respect what you believe and its your choice
you can destroy any information of past life's in only few generations
I believe we had all theses ansures but got lost in time
it could of only been a few hundred years ago that everybody knew about this and after lots of suffering we forgot and wasn't taught
don't forget shrooms has brought us all together and thats like the oldest drug to man

anyway if we did evolve we must be cannibals in some sort of way.
and how come we cant speck animal, what happen to our fish, cat, monkey and all animal languages/cummunication,
why did we forget that if langues evolved with us?


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473339 - 10/01/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol yeah I'm deep, I do believe we evolve but only spiritually not physically


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473343 - 10/01/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol, i personally think both evolve.


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7473359 - 10/01/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ahh, but what actually makes it so that the position of these stars have this effect? Wouldn't everyone display the same traits as the earth spins on its axis and revolves around the Sun? Why is it that the position of the stars on the first day that you are born has such a significantly effect on one's personality, yet the effects of the positions of the stars on every other day do not?

Also, it would seem that every single star in the sky would have its effect, and how many stars are there? What is the mechanism in question for producing these effects? If it is not known, then how can we conclude the stars are responsible, if there are much more clear, observable aspects of reality that influence and shape our behavior?

Astrology simply seems to be horribly ineffective in representing the nature of reality. The simple fact that some individuals can read a description of how they are that someone else has written, and exclaim "Hey, that is me!" demonstrates nothing. They ask, "How is it that this description describes me so well?" The answer of the individual that wrote the description, "Oh, its the position of the stars!". It just seems kind of shady to me... :shrug:




I agree with you here, we don't know based on fact
but I do know one fact, it exists and has done for a very very long time since the dawn of man,

how did thay even know about the planets back then thay knew more then us?


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473361 - 10/01/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't mean to be rude but I cant see this whole cave man idea
I respect what you believe and its your choice




So humans just one day were capable of speaking the tens of thousands of different languages that grace this planet? See, that is an idea that doesn't make sense to me. We had to start somewhere, and I just don't comprehend how we one day were capable of utilizing language as we do today. :shrug:

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and how come we cant speck animal, what happen to our fish, cat, monkey and all animal languages/cummunication,
why did we forget that if langues evolved with us?




How possible is it to communicate with fish if we do not have the means to do so? If the muscles in our throat have changed so that we cannot make the same vocalizations as a cat, how can we speak that language with them?

Similarily, how is that you cannot speak French, or any language that your ancestors spoke? Because language is a learned ability, not something that lies inherent within us. The only thing inherent within us in regards to language is the ability to learn language.  :wink:


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7473377 - 10/01/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah but that sounds just as crazy as endlessness and foreverness but we know its true

we know that by looking at space and why is space even here,why are we here, why are we here having this convo rite now, it is all madness but it just is :mushroom2: :crazy2:


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473391 - 10/01/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

how did fruits and plants evolve, Dont forget all the underwater world too, face it its the work of brilliant all loveing god

lol did u watch the south park clip


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473422 - 10/01/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm already familiar with that episode of South Park; I don't see what Ms. Garrison's ill-informed rant has to do with anything. :shrug:

How did fruits and plants evolve? Changes in genetic information. It is the work of the Sun and its interaction with the Earth. :wink:


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473455 - 10/01/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just letting you know there have been reports

I'm also a person who believes all languages was given from god

and that man never made language

thats what I believe

we are free to believe what ever we want and should respect what other believe in even if you don't




While you have the ability to believe whatever comes into your pretty little head I am under no obligation to respect you for it and don't. In fact your views seem totally unskillful and illogical to me. Why would I respect that? And why would I respect someone who thinks all Jews should be killed or that it doesn't matter if we destroy the environment as long as a buck is made, etc, etc? :monkeydance:


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: Icelander]
    #7473479 - 10/01/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mod edit: no personalisms. If you can't debate the TOPIC without involving the poster, then don't post in this forum.

Please read the rules of this forum before posting here again.


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473541 - 10/01/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Please enlighten us.


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: Icelander]
    #7473699 - 10/01/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol no I'm not going to, you said your thinking is logical so you can try put it together

I'm really sorry to the poster Hakim0777 for going off topic,
but theses subjects are all inter linked


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Re: Believe in Astrology? [Re: alchino23]
    #7473709 - 10/01/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol no I'm not going to,

Yeah that's what I thought; further making my point.:tongue:


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