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would you jump off a bridge if every one else did?
    #7457205 - 09/26/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yes, yes i would. so here i am all new and fresh to growing, with my spores in the mail and every thing ready to go for the first few steps.
been looking around, and wondering if there is any thing wrong with this set up.

I am planing on inoculating 10 half pint jars with 2ccs each of Tasmanian PF cake style, and then do one of the easer liquid mediums for two more jars. ( i got a little jar happy)

Now, since i am doing 10, i thought i might be able to mess around the mix a bit. seeing what would happen if i added raw sugar or a nitrogen supplement.

Once birthed, i plan on drilling a hole, and adding a straw with ether water, or a water raw sugar mix.

The grow box i plan to use is a large rubermade container, with opaque green walls. i plan to use a perlite water base with an oxygen pump running a perforated tube under the perlite. Mixed in the water there will be a small amount of hydrogen peroxide.

there will be vents on the side and top to let the bad air out.

the cakes will be on a plate as to not over damp them.

i plan on lighting the system with x-miss lights. is there a problem there?

any thing i can tweek, or is going to go crash badly?


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: blueyesopn]
    #7457327 - 09/26/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't recommend on trying to feed the cakes once you have them birthed. Too high a risk of contamination.

Also, make sure that your perlite is damp and not sitting in water. The H2O2 will do you well.

Just put your cakes on aluminum foil.

X-mas lights will work. Other lights might work better.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: trippindad82]
    #7457416 - 09/26/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I would bet that, at best, the "raw sugar" will not show any noticeable benefit. Might cause problems, might not, but no positives.

Instead of drilling a cake and exposing the middle to contamination I would just dunk it for 6-24 hours and then roll it in verm which can be sprayed a few hours after application.

Instead of a perlite/pump/standing water approach I'd use a shotgun style chamber with 2-5 inches of damp perlite. It's pretty much set-and-forget for weeks and weeks.

Instead of using 2cc per jar I'd use the recommended 1cc. You might get a slightly faster colonization with 2cc's but you're going to have a lot of standing water in the jar by the time it's half way colonized.

Just my opinion. :smile:


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: cbiegel]
    #7457568 - 09/26/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

shotgun?

and it was said that the raw sugar would do much. what would then.

as i said, i am doing multiple cakes at once, so i have room to mess around.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: blueyesopn]
    #7457624 - 09/26/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I shotgun style FC is called that because it looks like someone shot the tub with a round of buckshot (well not really but you;ll get the idea :laugh: )

You drill a lot of small holes on all sides of the FC including under the layer of perlite and if it's in a room with air movement you get moisture from the damp perlite moving up into the chamber and out through the holes in the walls and top. As long as it doesn't have a strong wind on it you'll get great humidity while still  having good fresh air exchange.

I have never heard of using sucrose in mushroom growing except perhaps as an LC nutrient but that doesn't mean that some people don't

If you want to add something I'd try some spent coffee grounds. They add nitrogen.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: cbiegel]
    #7457657 - 09/26/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

would it be good to still use a bubler with the hydrogen peroxide/water solution.

and fresh or used coffie grounds


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: blueyesopn]
    #7457667 - 09/26/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Bubbler in h202 works great.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: impeachme2]
    #7457750 - 09/26/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

used coffee grounds are what are suggested. I have no experience with fresh ones but then I drink a lot of coffee so the used ones are always around. :smile:


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: blueyesopn]
    #7458043 - 09/26/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i used one of the tips of the PF cake growing method which said to put a verm core in the cake b4 u pressur cook, then use a syringe to add water during its fruiting to the verm core.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: MikeRamos9]
    #7458175 - 09/26/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i used one of the tips of the PF cake growing method which said to put a verm core in the cake b4 u pressur cook, then use a syringe to add water during its fruiting to the verm core.




Wow, that's actually a very interesting idea. How would you go about creating the core?


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
    #7458264 - 09/26/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You can pack the mix around a round highlighter and then remove it and fill the hole with verm.

I think this simple removes nutes and you'd be better off just dunking.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: cbiegel]
    #7458338 - 09/27/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

see, and this is exactly why i am doing cakes differently.

i was looking at the pf tek vid, where they make a shotgun box. can any one tell me why you would want to drill holes in the bottom.

that limits the surfaces you can put it on.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: blueyesopn]
    #7458841 - 09/27/07 05:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the holes in the bottom are to allow co2 to escape, co2 is heavier than air so sits in the bottom of your fc.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7458889 - 09/27/07 05:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'll quote RR from http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7448682/an/0/page/4

"CO2 won't run out of holes in the bottom. It's widly misunderstood that CO2 is heavier than air, and many growers think it will run out like water if only there's holes in the bottom. The fact is, the CO2 mixes with the air inside the tub and raises its CO2 content. You have to exchange ALL the air in the tub to get rid of it. I simply drill lots of holes in the fruiting chamber, and let nature take care of it." /RR

What confuses me though, is that I thought that the shotgun box was an RR-tek. So it's a bit contradicting.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: bmy]
    #7458990 - 09/27/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The holes in the bottom are to let fresh air IN, not CO2 out. The fresh air mixes with the CO2, and the constant circulation clears it out. I've explained the theory of operation in detail in a few threads. Basically, you elevate the terrarium above the table it sits on. Air is drawn into the cool perlite through the holes in the bottom, and the low pressure area above tends to draw the air up through the perlite, humidifying it as it passes through.
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What confuses me though, is that I thought that the shotgun box was an RR-tek. So it's a bit contradicting



It is, but I don't put my name on teks.


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7459046 - 09/27/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's of course kind of obvious that CO2 will not fall to the bottom of a container  with air circulation, since if it would, the same thing would apply to the outside of the container - where we live :smile: And I sure hope I'm not bathing in CO2 since I need oxygen to survive. However, CO2 _is_ heavier then air*. I'm not a physicist, but I would believe that in a closed environment with CO2 generated at the bottom of the container (by the shrooms in this case), the CO2 would not blend with the rest of the gases, and thus would sit on the bottom of the container.

This however, is not the case I guess. Since no one makes a totally sealed FC without ventilation.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just flowing with my general physics feelings here :smile:

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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: bmy]
    #7460252 - 09/27/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

think of it more like oil and water.they dont mix, but if you shake it up good enough then you will have lots of little tiny bubbles of the 2. mixed together until it settles.

so if i have the bubbler feeding fresh air, holes at the bottom are redundant?


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Re: would you jump off a bridge if every one else did? [Re: blueyesopn]
    #7460262 - 09/27/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I would guess you'll get a better air flow with holes at the bottom then without.


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