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Simple So Probably Wrong
#7455596 - 09/26/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Truth vs. Evil Truth = Bullseye Evil = Not Bullseye One Answer vs. Infinite Wrong Answers 1% vs. 99% Narrow Path vs. Wide Path
If you've ever been wrong about something you are fallible. If you don't believe in something, you believe in yourself. Which means you believe in something fallible.
I believe that The Bible is truth. I believe this because it makes me feel good. I believe this because it is an easy and gives me a convenient out. Why would I not want to believe in something that makes me feel good and gives me an easy out?
I've found fewer things wrong in The Bible, then I have in myself. Based on probability The Bible is more accurate than I am. This gives me faith in it. Therefore, what I have found wrong in it is more likely me being wrong.
Nobody would reject God if they knew what God was. People are only rejecting what THEY THINK IS GOD. In theory, if someone believed in God and everything written in The Bible, the world would be a better place and people would be excited to die.
People disagree with this because they think The Bible causes some bad things when followed perfectly. However, no one is following the Bible perfectly. So the assumption is that anything that comes from the Bible that is bad isn't really what the Bible says.
People are leaning on their own understandings.
Please feel good because feeling bad is really really sad. : )
P.S. I'm sorry if anyone gets really heated and angry at me while reading this.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455614 - 09/26/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In theory, if someone believed in God and everything written in The Bible, the world would be a better place and people would be excited to die.
Old Testament or New Testament?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455619 - 09/26/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Old Testament doesn't apply any longer. So The New Testament. Jesus changed the rules. The Bible said he came to make it easier for everyone. Now salvation is free and everyone has the spirit of Christ inside them. No one even technically needs to read the Bible because the Words of scripture are written in the hearts of men now.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455623 - 09/26/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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*shmoopy puts on hip-waders*
We haven't have one of 'these' in a week or two. I predict a 6 pager.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455636 - 09/26/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've read both the Old Testament and the New, and I have no objection to any of the philosophy espoused in the New Testament. I do not believe in God, but the basic guidelines of treating others as you would like to be treated, refraining from judgment, loving others and looking within for divine inspiration all ring true to me.
Do you think that it is necessary for someone to accept Jesus as their savior, believe in God, and have faith in the more "out there" aspects of the Bible? It seems to me that the primary benefits would be gained even in the absence of faith.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455648 - 09/26/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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>>>>I believe that The Bible is truth. I believe this because it makes me feel good. I believe this because it is an easy and gives me a convenient out. Why would I not want to believe in something that makes me feel good and gives me an easy out?
Many things make me feel good, and give me an easy way out. But if I rely on them, I'm headed down the road of pain. It's no different with the Bible. Make the Bible into a god, and you're headed down the road of pain. It's the wide one.
Are you a sinner? Such a belief will bind you to your ego, and you will miss out on your chance to be what it is you worship.
How do you equate the easy, convenient way out... with the narrow road?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455649 - 09/26/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like the Old Testacle. I think we should stone more fags.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455655 - 09/26/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The benefits of following the Bible while on Earth are the same for a believer as they are for a non believer. I always believed that even before believing in God and Jesus.
But the the thing I like more in the Bible is the abstract stuff. Things like how a begger, poor person, disabled person, or someone who has had horrible things happen to them can be in a better position than somone who hasn't any of these things.
The position being closer to God which the Bible says is all that matters. Death is usually looked at as the worst thing that can happen to someone (murder, etc...), but that really it brings them the m to God. Now they're position is unity.
I like that. Will you ask me more questions and challenge me on these things so I can learn more? I love this kind of talk.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455663 - 09/26/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"How do you equate the easy, convenient way out... with the narrow road?"
The narrow road is believing in God. Because that's the hardest part for my mind to do. Like 1% of me always wanted to, but 99% told me reasons not to.
How does following the Bible lead you down a road of pain? How are you defining pain?
Sinner. I'm exactly the same as everyone else. I'm living like everyone else and just saying that the Bible is the best things I've found. If I wasn't a sinner I wouldn't need Jesus. If I was perfectly fine with everything I wouldn't need God. I'm a sinner and I'm not okay with everything!
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455670 - 09/26/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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accountant said: Therefore, what I have found wrong in it is more likely me being wrong.
Consider this when researching the cause of the vast majority of wars and state sanctioned and emotionally charged murders, violence and oppression throughout the ages. Not jumping to conclusions is good, so keep at it.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455686 - 09/26/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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But the the thing I like more in the Bible is the abstract stuff. Things like how a begger, poor person, disabled person, or someone who has had horrible things happen to them can be in a better position than somone who hasn't any of these things.
The position being closer to God which the Bible says is all that matters. Death is usually looked at as the worst thing that can happen to someone (murder, etc...), but that really it brings them the m to God. Now they're position is unity.
So one has to be poor or disabled or suffer a lot of bull shit in his life to be closer to god. I'm sorry but I don't agree with this kind of attitude towards life because it only seems to me like a passive form of revenge coming from those who are less fortunate then others. This is exactly why there are so many people who are afraid to take their lives in their own hands and make their own luck. This state of delusion that something better is waiting for them in the after life, which usually leads them to hate those who are enjoying life more, all this is bull shit we have to rid ourselves of in my opinion.
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This is very abstract, we're all making the assumption that wars, murder, violence, and oppression are bad. There are other assumption we make such that independence, control, power, intelligent, talented, confident, etc... are good.
But if I define good as being whatever bring someone closer to God, then how am I to judge what the consequential meanings of things are?
The Bible kind of takes emphasis off of this world and says they're more important things. Death isn't the worst thing that can happen and a lifetime of misery isn't the second worse things that can happen.
I'm sorry if I missed your point, I wasn't sure what you meant about the jumping to conclusions line.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455705 - 09/26/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you read any of the other texts of the major world religions? I found it very interesting that the "core" tenets are repeated worldwide, in many texts which pre-date the Bible. Perhaps these ideas, rather than being the word of a deity, are simply sound ideas for interacting peacefully with other humans?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7455715 - 09/26/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. With the right heart it's never a passive revengeful mentality.
The goal of the fortunate and the unfortunate are the same. The Bible just says that it's harder for the fortunate to find the goal.
Like someone with two perfectly working legs doesn't appreciate them as much as someone who has no legs. So the one with no legs understands how important legs are to walking, while the one with legs doesn't.
Like someone with everything in life happening exactly the way they wanted it to doesn't appreciate the idea of God and giving themselves over to faith. And because I'm saying that God is all that matters then... someone who isn't having a good life is going to reach the goal of finding God more easily.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455723 - 09/26/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The sound ideas for interacting peacefully with other humans would be God then. The fact that that there is a sound idea and an unsound idea means there is a right way and a wrong way.
I'm saying that anything that is the right way is God. Why couldn't a collection of humans interacting and finding what's successful be rephrased as finding God's intentions? same thing you're just not calling what happens God
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455725 - 09/26/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe that The Bible is truth. I believe this because it makes me feel good.
I believe Masturbation is truth. I believe this because it makes me feel good.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455728 - 09/26/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Faith and doubt go hand in hand.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455729 - 09/26/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what exactly brings you closer to something that shows no signs of existence? For example... you have a map that has pointers that can lead you to a specific place that you desire, and by following those instructions you get there. Well you can't say the same thing about god, since god... does not exist... or does not make his presence felt in any way. Then how can you determine what's bringing you closer to him?
What I wanted to say before, was that all this story in which the bible tells you that the less fortunate, the homeless, disabled, and the like, will receive extra attention or from god and a special place in heaven, has an obvious purpose. And the purpose is merely social. It's about aligning people in order, keeping them quiet, hoping and obeying authority. It's also a very unhealthy method to look at life.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455730 - 09/26/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So God is a foul-weather friend?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455731 - 09/26/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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accountant said: The sound ideas for interacting peacefully with other humans would be God then. The fact that that there is a sound idea and an unsound idea means there is a right way and a wrong way.
I'm saying that anything that is the right way is God. Why couldn't a collection of humans interacting and finding what's successful be rephrased as finding God's intentions? same thing you're just not calling what happens God
Why should I call it God? If it can be explained adequately in the absence of a deity, why over-elaborate?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Icelander]
#7455733 - 09/26/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe Masturbation is truth. I believe this because it makes me feel good.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455740 - 09/26/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're obviously onto something, it's your affinity for a book that amuses me.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Rahz]
#7455746 - 09/26/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who, me?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455750 - 09/26/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, it's that damn quick reply. Somebody should fix it
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Icelander]
#7455751 - 09/26/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You've made the mistake of taking it out of context. The question at hand was solving spiritual truth and eternal life. The solution being God because it feels good is the response to the question.
If the question was what feels physically good to do with my penis? I would say masturbating because it feels good doing so I believe it's how to physically feel good using my penis.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Veritas]
#7455752 - 09/26/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he's referring to Cosmopolitian Magazine. He is under the impression that it is a book.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455763 - 09/26/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Masturbation can be spiritual--it's all in your intentions, IMO.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Icelander]
#7455773 - 09/26/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I find a better answer than believing in God and The Bible I will take it. I just haven't found a better answer and you guys aren't giving me enough information to what you believe to find it. If you know something better than The Bible and God please convince me. Just like a Christian try to convince others because he thinks he is right. Try to convince me so that if you are right the truth sinks in and I can believe what you are saying to me.
I would absolutely change my belief if someone gives me a better answer. If you're right try harder to explain it so I can be right too.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455781 - 09/26/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try the Bhagavat Gita...IMO it is better than the Bible..
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455782 - 09/26/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The question at hand was solving spiritual truth and eternal life.
And my answer makes just as much sense to me. In fact I can prove Masturbation exists and it is connected to creation and life force where as there is no proof for God except faith without evidence. So actually as far as true spirituality I've got the hard on to prove it. Not to mention the second cumming.
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Edited by Icelander (09/26/07 01:33 PM)
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455823 - 09/26/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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accountant said: If I find a better answer than believing in God and The Bible I will take it. I just haven't found a better answer and you guys aren't giving me enough information to what you believe to find it. If you know something better than The Bible and God please convince me. Just like a Christian try to convince others because he thinks he is right. Try to convince me so that if you are right the truth sinks in and I can believe what you are saying to me.
I would absolutely change my belief if someone gives me a better answer. If you're right try harder to explain it so I can be right too.
And why do you have to believe in anything?
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7455920 - 09/26/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can choose something or nothing. One gives me a meaning and the other says there is no meaning. I would like something and would like meaning.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455933 - 09/26/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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A meaning? A meaning imposed by others? What does this meaning... mean to you? Maybe it comes from the need to feel a certainty about life, which is something that nobody can give you in my opinion. Ahh well
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7455954 - 09/26/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know what you're saying. It's just hard to pick what you want in life. But I'm trippin this whole thing out until the end and thanks for your comments. No matter what it is, it will happen to us all in the end.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7455969 - 09/26/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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accountant said: I can choose something or nothing. One gives me a meaning and the other says there is no meaning. I would like something and would like meaning.
Truth. You choose.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7456025 - 09/26/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I wear no clothes, am I nothing? Beliefs are like pieces of clothing. Choose nothing, and you will see that it is yourself you are choosing. Choose some thing, and you cover yourself with the clothing of your desire. A person's desire to be happy is what causes pain. Desire nothing and happiness is what is left. As long as you want to believe something, you will be a pauper. Give your desire for beliefs to the void, and you will become rich.
The Bible has some good stuff in it. But at the end of the day, will you require yourself to have a belief, knowing that you doubt? It's insanity. A person cannot have a belief of something they have no direct experience of, without also believing they are full of crap... unless they are full of crap, in which case it's hard to see because it's everywhere and the smell has faded from the senses. Let doubt be your friend.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Rahz]
#7456028 - 09/26/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Bible has some good stuff in it.
So does Kama Sutra
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7456142 - 09/26/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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accountant said: If I find a better answer than believing in God and The Bible I will take it. I just haven't found a better answer and you guys aren't giving me enough information to what you believe to find it.
Didn't you see his signature quote?
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.

What if you didn't believe anything, but acknowledged that it is all best guess? When it comes to material reality, our best guess is probably close to accurate. When it comes to spirituality and philosophy, our best guess may be wildly inaccurate, but this is not really the point (IMO). The point of guessing about the way we live is to create the most enjoyable life experience. If guessing that there is a God, and his words are contained in the Bible, creates the most enjoyable life experience for you--COOL.
For me, guessing something that seems so unsupported by reality just doesn't work to create an enjoyable life experience. Who knows who is "right" or "wrong" in their guessing, or if there is such a thing as an incorrect spiritual guess.
As someone on this forum once said: "the proof is in the pudding."
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: MushroomTrip]
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The Bible has some good stuff in it.
So does Kama Sutra
That was very naughty.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: Rahz]
#7459672 - 09/27/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Bible has some good stuff in it. But at the end of the day, will you require yourself to have a belief, knowing that you doubt? It's insanity. A person cannot have a belief of something they have no direct experience of, without also believing they are full of crap... unless they are full of crap, in which case it's hard to see because it's everywhere and the smell has faded from the senses. Let doubt be your friend.
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: MushroomTrip]
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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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BlueCoyote
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Re: Simple So Probably Wrong [Re: accountant]
#7459757 - 09/27/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you search for g*d, and like reading, then read all religious books and texts you can find - compare and see (what veritas said), that at the core, they almost all talk about similar and analog 'interpretations' on what humans 'think' what g*d 'is'. I disagree with veritas that they only are social constructs to keep humans in order from some social rulers. I believe that there is a deeper sense behind all, which all points to 'one' indirectly perceivable 'entity' or 'intelligence' or 'mechanism' or whatever, what is behind the curtain of obviousness. Described from different social and cultural contexts. Now, don't forget to judge them all with your heart, then you will find 'that' representation, what images and pictures the best fitting concept of g*d for you. Then remember that all concepts and pictures of g*d are 'wrong'/'false'/sinfull, forget the picture and keep the meaning  Because it's you, what matters here, really, no worries about g*d. It's you who is the ship on the ocean. The ocean isn't that, what really matters  Just my proposal and thoughts..
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