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Telepathy - The Final Word
#7455434 - 09/26/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is the deal peeps: telepathy has never been witnessed when ALL OTHER FACTORS have been eliminated. So what remains?
The millions of non-synchronous thoughts between people are discarded as meaningless, but the occasional overlap is seen as evidence for some extraordinary mind power. This is much more fun than understanding probability and psychology and how similar people are of similar cultures and influences.
Younger person to another younger person: I was just thinking of that new Phish song. How weird is that?
Older person to another older person: I was just thinking of that Sinatra song. How weird is that?
In both these cases there is likely to be some common cuing that is below the perceptual level i.e. some memory trigger.
To those that petulantly persist: You cannot force it, it just happens and you cannot deny my experience.
No, your experience cannot be denied. Neither can the child's experience who is awed by the magician because he does not understand the mechanism/trick BEHIND THE APPARENT PHENOMENON.
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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (09/26/07 12:15 PM)
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Ha, I knew you were going to post this.
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Rahz]
#7455658 - 09/26/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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*sigh* The ignorance is overwhelming. Telepathy does not include predicting the future.
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Veritas

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Precognition is predicting the future, telepathy is receiving/sending thoughts.
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OrgoneConclusion said: The millions of non-synchronous thoughts between people are discarded as meaningless, but the occasional overlap is seen as evidence for some extraordinary mind power. This is much more fun than understanding probability and psychology and how similar people are of similar cultures and influences.
Or it could be that the people observed are not really in tune with each other. If the brain sends out waves which constitute thoughts, then it would be possible if the other person's brain was on the same wavelength.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Younger person to another younger person: I was just thinking of that new Phish song. How weird is that?
Older person to another older person: I was just thinking of that Sinatra song. How weird is that?
In both these cases there is likely to be some common cuing that is below the perceptual level i.e. some memory trigger.
Well yes, oftentimes there is just some little event or somebody had, even unthinkingly, said something straight out of that song just out of hearing, or something happened that the song described, and people forget to think about the obvious explanation. Or even if there wasn't, and they just thought of it together, that is not true telepathy by a longshot. Telepathy must be willful.
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OrgoneConclusion said: To those that petulantly persist: You cannot force it, it just happens and you cannot deny my experience.
This may be true, but if they find it to be true, then they should not be trying to convince a skeptic. That seems to be the more illogical thing.
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Edited by stellar renegade (09/26/07 01:07 PM)
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Veritas

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If the brain sends out waves which constitute thoughts, then it would be possible if the other person's brain was on the same wavelength.
There is no evidence that brain waves are transmitted beyond the reaches of our own skull. Wouldn't you think that in at least one scientific study of this phenomenon, this transmitting power would be evidenced? What are the odds of 100% failure to find two subjects on the same "wavelength"?
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Veritas]
#7455767 - 09/26/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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One has to believe in this or you can't be in the fluffy club. Evidence is not a criteria for membership. Only that one believe.
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Veritas]
#7455774 - 09/26/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who are you to discredit the experiences of others when you, have not experienced them yourself? It's like saying there's no fish at the bottom of the ocean because you haven't seen them for yourself. This analogy seems to be especially true of just about everything you post about.
Edited by Kinematics (09/26/07 01:31 PM)
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
#7455787 - 09/26/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This forum is about debate and challenging ideas. If the waters too deep for you then there is the kiddy pool forum.
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
#7455807 - 09/26/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This forum is about debate and challenging ideas. If the waters too deep for you then there is the kiddy pool forum.
I'm debating and challenging his ideals.
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
#7455824 - 09/26/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had some Telepathic experiences  Having the same exact thoughts and not even needing to say it out loud because we knew we were sharing our thoughts
I also have a twin brother, when we were younger we definitely had some telepathy going on
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Veritas]
#7455827 - 09/26/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas said: There is no evidence that brain waves are transmitted beyond the reaches of our own skull. Wouldn't you think that in at least one scientific study of this phenomenon, this transmitting power would be evidenced? What are the odds of 100% failure to find two subjects on the same "wavelength"?
Well I'll have to look more into it myself. I've done very much thinking in my lifetime and very little research. But that's the next phase I am planning to step into (and have started to).
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
#7455987 - 09/26/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This forum is about debate and challenging ideas. If the waters too deep for you then there is the kiddy pool forum.
I'm debating and challenging his ideals.
His ideals or ideas?
Who are you to discredit the experiences of others when you, have not experienced them yourself?
Nice debate technique. This makes absolutely no sense as he is claiming that experiencing them is not possible.
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stellar renegade said:
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Veritas said: There is no evidence that brain waves are transmitted beyond the reaches of our own skull. Wouldn't you think that in at least one scientific study of this phenomenon, this transmitting power would be evidenced? What are the odds of 100% failure to find two subjects on the same "wavelength"?
Well I'll have to look more into it myself. I've done very much thinking in my lifetime and very little research. But that's the next phase I am planning to step into (and have started to).
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
#7457056 - 09/26/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinematics said: Who are you to discredit the experiences of others when you, have not experienced them yourself? It's like saying there's no fish at the bottom of the ocean because you haven't seen them for yourself.
Agreed.
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EternalCowabunga said: I've had some Telepathic experiences
Me too, especially while I was in the midst of my psychosis. And it wasn't delusional type occurrences, but ones that were witnessed by others, such as "Your phone is about to ring" then it rings, and other episodes of varying types.
This reminds me of the psychology class I was in today. The teacher and all of the students declared that dissociative disorders did not exist, and that any one studying them was wasting their time. And there I sat, a testament that they do in fact exist, yet with no way of proving it to them. Thus they remain oblivious.
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but ones that were witnessed by others, such as "Your phone is about to ring" then it rings, and other episodes of varying types.
Yet, it can never be repeated in front of skeptics. And, of course, your example is NOT telepathy. "Hello? Is anybody home?"
This morning I had a 'premonition' my toaster was about to pop up some golden brown toast - and voila!
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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (09/26/07 07:23 PM)
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Yet, it can never be repeated in front of skeptics. 
Oh yeah? And whose fault is that? You skeptics and your bad karma!
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Why did they claim that dissociative disorders didn't exist? Is this what modern psychology actually believes?
I have also been through psychosis and the "coincidences" I experienced were really bizarre... like I would be in the library before a lecture and I get an urge to look up Oprah Winfrey on Wikipedia, and I see this blurb or what have you about how she gave everyone in her audience a car. Then I realize I'm about to be late for class so I hurry to my lecture and the first thing the professor says to the class is "hello everyone, I want everyone to look under their chairs. You're all getting a new car!" 
This was like a year after Oprah did this, I was like "why would he say that? that joke might have been relevant a week after it happened, but this is just weird."
There were stranger events than this I could share but I'll let this thread get back on course.
May I ask what triggered your episodes though?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Yet, it can never be repeated in front of skeptics. 
You obviously carry the popularly large misconception of how it works. I never said that I could control it. I just said that it happened.
This morning I had a 'premonition' my toaster was about to pop up some golden brown toast - and voila!
Do some studies on probability then come back with a more relevant analogy.
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