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cloudtripper
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Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses ....
#7455151 - 09/26/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been doing 5gram trips for a while, once an 8gram. I never really thought I would have a bad trip, was never scared of it.
Well I am now scared and I would warn everyone to be careful with such a dose it can go very bad, even for an experienced user.
I won't go into the entire 5gram orange juice trip right now,only to say that it went from heaven to hell, from the best experience of my life to the worst.
At the time I thought that if I lived I would not do mushrooms ever again, right now I think I might one day, but at a recreational dose of 2.5 grams.
I never wish to go through that hell again. Never have I felt so bad. Vomiting the sufferings of creation is not fun, kneeling in front of your neighbor's house with your face in the dirt begging God for mercy with a head full of darkness isn't fun.
It's going to take a long time to come to terms with that trip, it has left an imprint, I have gone over it my head every day since.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7455175 - 09/26/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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dude you will bounce back..
ive been from heaven to hell as well...and im back and loving the psychedelic experience..
you'll be ok...its mind shattering..but you'll be ok 
ever try LSD? a couple solid LSD trips really healed my wounds from that hell experience...maybe worth a shot?  just be careful...use that experience
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7455184 - 09/26/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sorry to hear that man, but beleive me it may take time but you will get over and come to terms with it.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Littleman]
#7455202 - 09/26/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You will come to grips with the experience and be fine, just give it some time.
A long break from tripping may be good too. It was almost a year before I tried mushrooms again after I had a really bad trip.
But hey, you should be pleased, there are bad trips which end much worse than yours. At least you kept your clothes on.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: MrKite1]
#7455215 - 09/26/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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have some ayahuasca or something of that sort then you will know hell and throw 5g of mushrooms in it too
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Littleman]
#7455221 - 09/26/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7455295 - 09/26/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys appreciate the kind words. lol, yeah I did keep my clothes on. As I said I have a lot to work through from that trip, maybe a lifetimes worth .. but then that's why I do it.
I just never thought after 20 years of psychedelic use that would happen to me.
And when I say I never felt that bad, yeah I mean it, I didn't know it was possible to feel that bad.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7455378 - 09/26/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ell Ess Bree said: Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
If you've ever had a bad trip you know that no matter how many times you tell yourself it's just in your head, it doesn't just turn off.
cloudtripper's point, as I understand it, is that you can never be completely mentally prepared for a dose like that, regardless of experience.
I just read two condescending posts of yours in a row. Get off your soapbox.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7455492 - 09/26/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ell Ess Bree said: Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
what a retarted comment..
not as bad as he says it is? who do you think you are, asshole.
Edited by today mylove (09/26/07 12:07 PM)
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Ell Ess Bree
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: today mylove]
#7456388 - 09/26/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think I'm a person like all the rest of you, well capable of typing my opinion on a message board like everyone else who manages to do so. Sorry that it happens to be one you disagree with?
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And what's wrong with a little skepticism? Was it really that bad? Or did he just think it was that bad? Maybe he'll read that I said that and think to himself, "well yea, maybe it really wasn't that bad" and have more confidence when he goes in next time. A lot of people exaggerate, a lot of people overdo it, and a lot of people need, or want really badly rather, to sell it to themselves, or sell it to people around them. I'm only being honest.
Edited by Ell Ess Bree (09/26/07 04:37 PM)
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7456771 - 09/26/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who are you to tell someone that something they experienced wasnt that bad. Did you experience it? Would you ever be able to experience something in the same way as them? Probably not.
Dont tell someone else how they should see and feel things. If this one bad trip really messed him up, who are you to tell him hes exaggerating and being a pussy?
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: TTT]
#7456868 - 09/26/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya Ell Ess Bree, that was some really dumb shit you just said.
You obviously have no idea what psychedelic drugs can put some people through. Im not just talking about men who have manginas either.
"Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?" .............jesus christ man.
I'm only being honest.....lol
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7456926 - 09/26/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.
Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)
So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7457044 - 09/26/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It wasn't just that it was 5 grams, but also because you used OJ (vitamin C). I had the same problem when I started using Tang. It masked the taste great, but had 400% vitamin C. The trip would always start off great (and come on FAST, 5-10mins) but always seemed to keep getting stronger. It quickly became unpleasant, and personally, I know most people take high doses for the insights, but I get most of my insights from very light doses.
Subtle trips give me the most insight; Trips that I can experience while at work, with family or doing other routine activities instead of planning out a specific chunk of the week to trip hardcore. LSD doesn't seem to do this. The trip doesn't get confusing and out of control on high doses like it does on shrooms, but YMMV.
Anyway, just start off slow. Take 1.5 grams with peanut butter, wait about an hour and add half a gram every 30 mins till you get where you want to be. Peace.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7457413 - 09/26/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said: I've been doing 5gram trips for a while, once an 8gram. I never really thought I would have a bad trip, was never scared of it.
Well I am now scared and I would warn everyone to be careful with such a dose it can go very bad, even for an experienced user.
I won't go into the entire 5gram orange juice trip right now,only to say that it went from heaven to hell, from the best experience of my life to the worst.
At the time I thought that if I lived I would not do mushrooms ever again, right now I think I might one day, but at a recreational dose of 2.5 grams.
I never wish to go through that hell again. Never have I felt so bad. Vomiting the sufferings of creation is not fun, kneeling in front of your neighbor's house with your face in the dirt begging God for mercy with a head full of darkness isn't fun.
It's going to take a long time to come to terms with that trip, it has left an imprint, I have gone over it my head every day since.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Syle]
#7457441 - 09/26/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I totally agree with the OP. One should be very careful about how much to eat. And you can't just "get over it" like some people are saying. It stays with you, for the rest of your days. Once you see too much on shrooms, you never forget it. But you can learn from it and make the best from what you learn. Shrooms can be insane and the experience can be blissful, and it can be shear terror. But either way, there is always something extremely important to learn from either experience.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7457580 - 09/26/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Usefulidiots idea of possibly using some lsd is good advice.. I used acid to smooth over the tracks left by one of my darker mushroom trips, not to erase it, but to help me integrate it and move on. And what can i say..
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I disagree that 5+ gram doses cause symptoms that are "all in your head". At that high a dose, some concrete physical issues can crop up, like vomiting, headache, and even seizures in some people. That's a pretty high dose, and I've had some horrid physical effects off less. I hate it when people just attribute your physical symptoms to "set and setting" or "anxiety" or "a bad trip". I'm here to tell you that mushrooms can have some toxic side effects in large enough doses in those sensitive to them. A lot of it may be anxiety, but when someone says they had a headache or felt like they were dying, etc. don't say it's "all in your head". It's not.
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cloudtripper
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I normally use lemon juice, this time I used orange juice as the lemon juice has been making me gag the last few times. These where horse poo mushrooms though, so I think potency might have been a factor.
The trip went bad with the set and setting, it had been warm in the sun, I always trip in the Sun, but the Sun went behind the trees, it was getting late, a cold wind started blowing and that happen to co incide with some pretty full on stuff going on in side of my head. I normally look after set and setting but this time they just slipped out of the comfort zone, which was the whole point of the bad trip ... that there exists a place outside of the comfort zone.
You see, I found out that I was God and I made the world. Not that I thought that I was God, but that I remembered I was. It's because we forget who we are that we all become different. Life is about forgetting.
It was just so clear, I remembered myself, it was so obvious, it was such a familiar feeling. I don't know who watches the show Doctor Who here, but there was an episode where he hide himself in this watch and forgot who he was. Then he finally remembered when he opened the watch. It was just like that, just I had opened the watch.
Other things where happening like I could control the forms of the clouds and dissolve them with my mind. That happened once when I was on DMT .. I even got photo's of that one .. because it was real .... (hence my username). At one point 3 birds from 3 trees all crossed about 1 inch above my head at the some time. When I closed my eyes it was just brightness everywhere within, in every crack. It was very fullon and very magical. I felt like I had been intwisted , like on was on the outside now, whereas I was normally on the inside.
Then the sun started to go down, and a cold wind blew, and I realized that we always seek the Sun, warmth, happiness, we try to escape from everything else, like the cold and dark. Like cheese with holes all through it, the cheese is the good bits, the holes are empty. We only want the cheese. I could see through the ages of the world and how there was this coldness in it how it was full of holes.
At this point it was getting mentally taxing to say the least and I actually wanted to forget everything again, I couldn't deal with the reality I what I was going through. I remember thinking that when it is all over I will be able to tell myself that it was a delusion. It was like a was trying to hide and then I realized that was the same thing as I did in life, as I hide from myself through forgetting.
That was starting to cause some serious conflict, the idea of trying to hide from myself by forgetting. I also realized that there could be other Gods, higher than me.
Then I had this voice in my head, that said, "It's time, you knew it was coming" and I knew I was going to feel the sufferings of creation , that I couldn't hide in the Sun always.
Next thing I felt sick, I mean sicker than ever, but not in the stomach, but through everypart of me, in my mind (it's hard to explain). I thought I was going to die, then I vomiting, like I never have before, from deep inside (this is at the 3 hour mark in the trip). At the same time my phone started to ring. It was my girl friend who was making sure I was ok, but I couldn't answer. I lost my vision, and my mind now went to blank darkness. At this point I was seriously scared that I wouldn't be coming back this time, that it might not be possible to get back to the inside again. I wanted an ego to hide in.
I got my phone out but couldn't work out what to do with it. I had the worst feeling in me that I have ever had. It kept trying to express itself through vomit, but I would open my mouth and nothing would come out anymore. It was about a 30 minute walk home over some big hills. I started walking but after about 30 seconds I was back down again, I kepted wanting to vomit out this feeling that was in my head and would open my mouth but nothing would come out.
Anyway the story goes on, but in the end I stumbled home, stopping many times on the way, at one point in front of my neighbors house kneeling down, my head on the ground, begging for mercy from God to make it stop. It was the worst I have ever felt, infact after I thought that maybe life is an escape from that feeling. I promised I would do anything to avoid the feeling again.
Even after I got home I had to try to not think of it as the feeling would come back again.
At home my girl friend had this show on Tv (myth busters) and everything they said seemed to be about my trip. They are doing this thing where the guy is trying to see if he can hide from hound dogs and guard dogs but he keeps getting found. In the end he says .. there is no escape. I was so cold it took all night to warm up.
I know it is easy to exaggerate a trip, but I am not, not at all. If anything I am understating it through my lack of word skills and lack of detail.
Did I learn anything ? I think it threw up as many questions as answers. I've been reading alot more about Buddhism since and I think I might start taking that more seriously.
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Edited by cloudtripper (09/26/07 10:38 PM)
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7458763 - 09/27/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said:I just never thought after 20 years of psychedelic use that would happen to me.
And when I say I never felt that bad, yeah I mean it, I didn't know it was possible to feel that bad.
That's amazing that you never had a bad trip in 20 years, if they've included big doses. In my teens when most of my friends had taken acid, it seemed like everyone had had a few bad ones.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7458901 - 09/27/07 05:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said: I couldn't deal with the reality I what I was going through.
Yea, exactly.
All of that sounds pretty awesome, dude, idk what the problem is.
Oh wait, I quoted it for you.
And to the others, I didn't say it wasn't as bad as he said it was, I told him I doubt it was. It really could have been, but I personally am going to be over here doubting that fact. Which is fine, to each their own! Continue, citizens.
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7458937 - 09/27/07 06:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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All of that sounds pretty awesome, dude, idk what the problem is
I explained what the problem was in my post man. I don't know how I could make it much more clear for you.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7458968 - 09/27/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sense some seriously nasty karma building up against Ell Ess Bree. I think it's pretty obvious that you've never had an experience anything like this, otherwise you would certainly be a bit more sympathetic. A five gram mushroom trip can be incredibly intense and if it goes bad, quite scary and tough to deal with. Is this how you treat someone asking for guidance? asshole
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: opensaysme]
#7459000 - 09/27/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's cool man, I don't expect everyone to understand, I'm just explaining it how it was and putting out a bit of a warning for others.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7459047 - 09/27/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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it'scool dude. i understand entirely.
good luck on your journey
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7459121 - 09/27/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said: Next thing I felt sick, I mean sicker than ever, but not in the stomach, but through everypart of me, in my mind (it's hard to explain). I thought I was going to die, then I vomiting, like I never have before, from deep inside (this is at the 3 hour mark in the trip).
That makes me think of ayahuasca a lot. When I puke on aya, everyone always wonders where the hell that comes from. Deep inside is the least you could say. It can be terribly noisy as well. I've had that on mushrooms once (after I was introduced to aya). Usually the puking makes you feel better, like you purge some amount of negativity. The worst part is when you would love to puke but nothing comes out, like happened to you afterwards. I feel for you there, that is really terrible. On a symbolic level this may be something that is bad for you but to which you cling to anyway. There are many things that are bad for us but that are familiar and seem comforting, so we have a hard time letting go of those.
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cloudtripper said: Did I learn anything ? I think it threw up as many questions as answers. I've been reading alot more about Buddhism since and I think I might start taking that more seriously.
That was exactly my reaction to a recent syrian rue + shrooms trip that was extremely intense, both good and bad at the same time. I reached the conclusion that some questions will never be answered and are just there for questions' sake. When I came back from that insane territory, I had a strong desire for Buddhist and Sufi literature. I started the Buddhist part already, and it made me understand a hell of a lot.
Good luck to you
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7459155 - 09/27/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said: I didn't know it was possible to feel that bad.
That's exactly what I was thinking after my worst (by far) bad trip ever. I realized how weak I was mentally/spiritually in the face of this terrifying world. Whatever we're experiencing through our existence is some serious serious stuff. Given this potential for such intense extreme suffering, I can totally understand the need for extreme measures in preparing ourselves for complete understanding and acceptance of everything that we can potentially face.
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cloudtripper said: You see, I found out that I was God and I made the world. Not that I thought that I was God, but that I remembered I was. It's because we forget who we are that we all become different. Life is about forgetting.
This is a recurring theme in my trips too. I think the more we work ourselves into this comfortable illusion, the more suffering it will take to extricate ourselves from it. The solution is to wean ourselves off it as quickly as possible (as quickly as we can handle it) by confronting our fears experientially, even taking extreme ascetic measures until we understand and are comfortable with the vast array of circumstances we can find ourselves in.
There's no moral imperative to do it; the incentive is that it's in our own best interest (IMO).
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: druglord]
#7459428 - 09/27/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I've thrown up before on trips and normally I feel much better after. But that is always in the first 30 minutes. This time I didn't feel sick at all during most of the trip, then after 3 hours I threw up suddenly and I felt even worse then. Oh yeah when I was throwing up I had closed eyed visuals of kinda of black slimy leach things (one big one).
The feeling of being God was just like I had amnesia, it was no surprise cause I had always known, before I had forgotten, the surprise was that I had forgotten.
Glad to know that others have had similar experiences. Keep up the good work
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7459487 - 09/27/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said: The feeling of being God was just like I had amnesia, it was no surprise cause I had always known, before I had forgotten, the surprise was that I had forgotten.
The more I read trip reports and experiences, the more apparent it becomes to me that the whole, "I am God, but I forgot" motif is a common occurrence.
Indeed, even I've experienced it more than once on DMT. However, it's a bit different. No feeling of surprise -- I almost get the impression that I forced myself to forget.
I guess orchestrating all existence is a stressful operation that even God needs a vacation from every once and a while.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Elementium]
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Norom said: "I am God, but I forgot"
on one unexpected shroom trip, i was doing one of those 'mental spirals' and being sucked back/out/into/out of reality and i could hear this voice saying something like "YES, FOR FUCKS SAKE! YOU ARE GOD! AND YOU'VE KILLED BONNIE!"
it was fucking freaky.
You saying that is really creepy.
I shall now read the rest of this thread
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: roquet]
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yeah I had a few bad ones from acid in my teens. nowdays I only like threshold doses from .7 grams of dried shrooms to 1.5 grams and I will lay down in bed and have very insightful trips as compared to taking huge doses and being out in public. but threshold cactus is good for being out with friends though
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cpw1971]
#7459665 - 09/27/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sense some seriously nasty karma building up against Ell Ess Bree. I think it's pretty obvious that you've never had an experience anything like this, otherwise you would certainly be a bit more sympathetic. A five gram mushroom trip can be incredibly intense and if it goes bad, quite scary and tough to deal with. Is this how you treat someone asking for guidance? asshole
Seriously. 
What goes up will come down...
Sorry ya had such a rough time cloudtripper. However you are better off now than those who have not yet been there.
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sounded like you needed to let go, and let the mushroom journey unfold 
dont ever try and fight your trip.
sorry to hear you had a bad experience, but life goes on
can wesee the photos of the clouds you were moving?
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Psilobuds]
#7465784 - 09/28/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah well I always let go, I always make sure I am on my own a long way away from anyone so I can just lie down in the sun arms and legs outstretched or whatever. Anyone that sees me would just think I was a mad man on mushrooms .. hehe.
But yeah this time I did try to fight back for the first time, mainly because it was so unpleasant. It also freaked me out that it was at the 3 - 3.5 hour mark and by that time I should have been coming down, not still going up.
Photo story ....
I did DMT about a dozen times, the second last time I did it, I smoked until I couldn't hold the pipe, then the ringing in my ears came, then the mosaic patterns. This time I look straight up above me, open eyes. The blue sky had the mosaic pattens spread over it.
There was this little tiny speck of cloud, just a whisp. I concentrated on it and all of a sudden it started to expand, I felt it expanding inside of me so I concreted on making it expand more and it did and all these kinds of sea horses came out the sides curling up, it broke up into many fractals and they got bigger and the whole thing was like a big spine.
I was thinking this is the best DMT trip I have had. Anyway after about 10 minutes of playing with the cloud, I realized that I wasn't just tripping, that the cloud really did exists. That was a very profound moment, I really just wanted to scream, I couldn't believe it was a real cloud. I thought I have to get the camera and get a photo so I can see if I am just tripping or not.
It took about 5 minutes to go inside find the camera and come back out and the cloud had lost some detail, but it was still there, i took some shots.
Within 10 minutes the cloud had dissolved again, and it was a perfect blue sky day again.
http://67.15.185.20/~myspace/cloud.jpg
The same thing happened the other day on my big mushy trip.
Try it some time.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7465792 - 09/28/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ell Ess Bree said: Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
Oh shut up. Honestly, your serious lack of sensitivity - considering the subject matter - really makes it seem like you have no experience with psychedelics. They aren't a competition, and experiences can seem as real as the air we breathe. That's the beauty of them.
If you want to get in a pissing contest, do it with some other drug - one with less psychological consequences. For example, I would wager everything I have to my name that I can eat TWICE as many tabs of XTC in one sitting as you. And that in my drug-using career, I have eaten AT LEAST 750 more than you ever have. But then, what does that say about me? That I know how to use drugs and you don't?
You're the one that needs to grow up. And if you think tripping is a contest, you're in the wrong place buddy.
Good day.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Drewwyann]
#7465846 - 09/28/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.
Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)
So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.
That's exactly what happened to me. I was thrown into a situation that I was miserably uncomfortable in and things were getting bad and then in an instant, everything changed. I became myself again, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen to me, too bad I killed it by getting drunk later on that night.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: BirdsIView]
#7465991 - 09/28/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.
Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)
So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.
That's exactly what happened to me. I was thrown into a situation that I was miserably uncomfortable in and things were getting bad and then in an instant, everything changed. I became myself again, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen to me, too bad I killed it by getting drunk later on that night.
That's all fine and dandy. Only your misunderstanding/misrepresenting the meaning of the term "bad trip".
Overcoming internal conflicts/struggles/tribulations that come up during a trip are indeed some of the most meaningful events in life. They are big steps in getting a little bit closer to self-discovery. I don't associate problem-solving and happy endings with bad trips... These are in fact simple attributes that ALL "good" trips should include: leaving you with a little bit better understanding of yourself.
A truly BAD trip is exactly what this individual described. He got sick, then got sicker, and it left him with an initial resolve of not wanting to use psychedelics anymore. A bad trip is one of the scariest and most intense struggles you can go through in life - mainly because at the time, in our minds, they are perceived realities. So when you say you look forward to your first bad trip, it clearly shows that you don't realize the weight of what an ACTUAL bad trip holds. Its not like watching a horror film - its not a completely visual experience. MOST of what makes a bad trip a bad trip, is the uncomfortable and unnerving FEELINGS and EMOTIONS that characterize it.
Consider it. 
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7466904 - 09/29/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is interesting hearing you talk about the 'comfort zone.'
I have been thinking about these kinds of things lately. It is like your fall from grace, or the expulsion from paradise! I think humans evolved in the warmness and comfort of the equator, and that was paradise for us, our comfort zone.
Just a thought, as I have had trips verging on these themes.
Good luck with the integration part. I hope someday you will look back on this experience and realize how important what you learned was.
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Ell Ess Bree said: I think I'm a person like all the rest of you, well capable of typing my opinion on a message board like everyone else who manages to do so. Sorry that it happens to be one you disagree with?
Well, this person is obviously extremely inexperienced in terms of the psychedelic experience. The tree in front of my house is ten times more psychedelic than this person.
On a side not, 5 dried gram trips are something else. Terence McKenna constantly advocated them, and there was a reason for this. He knew that five dried gram trips are completely different than your ordinary, average trip. If Terence called this dose a 'heroic dose', then that should obviously tell you something.
Cloudtripper Keep it up! You are an explorer and are going far, traversing the ordinary limitations, the limitations entangling each and every one of us here on Earth. You know what you are talking about, and you have an excellent head on your shoulders. Personally, I find that there is no such thing as a 'good' trip and a 'bad' trip. I feel that such simplified terms to describe such a profound and revelational experience undermind the experience itself. Therefore, I consdier every psychedelic experience as just that, a 'psychedelic experience'. You learn all the time. Sometimes it's painful to learn, while at other times it's not. Sometimes we hit barriers in the psychedelic domain, barriers that we need to shatter. Positive and negative experiences are part of the psychedelic experience. If you do not experience both the positive and the negative, then you are not receiving a psychedelic experience.
You have hit a new level in your psychedelic journey. Be glad, for now you know, now you have experienced. Some people never make it to this level. Some people, such as Ell Ess Bree (bless him), will never even make it up the first step on the ladder. Naturally, some people are just extremely unpsychedelic, and they will never make it to where you are are in life. If you are not already at the pinnacle, then you are almost at the top.
You are a psychonaut.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Feanor]
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ya 5 can get you pretty far out. both up and down. hevan and hell. but that is not why you took 5 grams is it? 5 grams will open alot of doors and once opened you cannot always slam them shut again. the key is acceptance and fluidity. you will find yourself some place better, some time, somewhere. always bear that in mind. also when things get to heavy its always easier to think about it tomaro. and of course i know that it can be hard to keep these things in mind while your face is dripping off, but it just how it works. live learn love  you know the drill
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: notapillow]
#7467257 - 09/29/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"let go", "flow with it", "know that it's just a drug and temporary" etc...
I've had times when I wished it really was that simple. It usually is but not always. If you have never had a time when those suggestions proved utterly useless then tripping still has much to show you.
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lol @ me being inexperienced with psychedelics
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7467616 - 09/29/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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letting go while tripping can be the biggest ongoing application of mind that you ever considered possible.
the good thing is that psychedelic drugs actually assist you by engaging sustain on what ever you start,
so if you start relaxing/letting go/or breathing through a painful moment, then the psychedelic will throw in 2 shots for each one you throw in.
it's like having a benevolent psychic investor, or like unlocking a bursary that you always wanted.
on psychedelic, everything you begin may become doubled up by the affected mental apparatus, which wants to resonate longer with each signal.
but try and remember any of that??? unless you are looking for it, when you go tripping, unless you are interested in the general extension effects, you may be unable to access cues to this knowledge when you need it.
for that reason, I think it is good to start some meditation practice. which is good to have under your belt for later, and which leaves a wake of interest in mental processes for later.
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Drewwyann said: The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.
Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)
So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.
That's exactly what happened to me. I was thrown into a situation that I was miserably uncomfortable in and things were getting bad and then in an instant, everything changed. I became myself again, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen to me, too bad I killed it by getting drunk later on that night.
That's all fine and dandy. Only your misunderstanding/misrepresenting the meaning of the term "bad trip".
Overcoming internal conflicts/struggles/tribulations that come up during a trip are indeed some of the most meaningful events in life. They are big steps in getting a little bit closer to self-discovery. I don't associate problem-solving and happy endings with bad trips... These are in fact simple attributes that ALL "good" trips should include: leaving you with a little bit better understanding of yourself.
A truly BAD trip is exactly what this individual described. He got sick, then got sicker, and it left him with an initial resolve of not wanting to use psychedelics anymore. A bad trip is one of the scariest and most intense struggles you can go through in life - mainly because at the time, in our minds, they are perceived realities. So when you say you look forward to your first bad trip, it clearly shows that you don't realize the weight of what an ACTUAL bad trip holds. Its not like watching a horror film - its not a completely visual experience. MOST of what makes a bad trip a bad trip, is the uncomfortable and unnerving FEELINGS and EMOTIONS that characterize it.
Consider it. 
I was smart enough to not take enough to have a truly bad trip. It was only on 2.5 grams and the bad trip was just from the real situation I was in, not from something made up in my mind from taking too much. There are different levels of "bad trips", any unenjoyable one is a bad trip IMO.
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TripityDooDaDay said: "let go", "flow with it", "know that it's just a drug and temporary" etc...
I've had times when I wished it really was that simple. It usually is but not always. If you have never had a time when those suggestions proved utterly useless then tripping still has much to show you.
I know what you mean. Last trip when it got heavy I tried telling myself the old Descartes thing "I think therefore I am" (therefore I can't be dead). Didn't work! lol
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: roquet]
#7468270 - 09/29/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear you talking about your trip, saying you remembered you were God.In reading all of these posts, I get the impression that people think since mushrooms can be used for spiritual purposes, then everything you see or hear is correct. If you were God then, then why arn't you God now. You do not have the attributes of God that qualify you as creator of the universe.
Not once did anyone question whether this personal revelation he experienced was true.
I have done some stupid drugs in the past and had similar personal revelations, but upon becoming sober, that logic or experience did not hold true in the real world. It was a drug induced presupposition, ie. chemical brainwashing. Since you took the drug willingly, it is much more likely that you would become brainwashed and accept it later on.
Just because you may reach insights with this substance, does not mean everything you see or hear is true or accurate. The experience you describe is deja vu under a large amounts of mushrooms. These chemicals can influence your mind so strongly, that your hallucination becomes reality in your mind. Thus you came to the conclusion that this life is an escape from that darkness you felt. I advise you to take some deep time to logically contemplate what you felt and saw and try to see if that logically holds true.
My opinion is that your brain felt poisoned and you had a nervous reaction where your body was trying to rid itself of the substance and could not. When your mind has too much alcohol, it does the same thing, thus dry heaving.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7468520 - 09/29/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah your right and that it is what makes the whole trip even more confusing. Do I accept it as real, as a delusion, as all mind etc ? There is a big difference.
I've thought alot about that feeling of being God, although now I cannot hope to recreate it. It was certainly one of the most 'familiar' feelings I have ever had .. yet I have never had it before that I remember. It isn't an idea that I had pre conveived before the trip either. Infact in the weeks leading up to the trip I'd read several books on Buddhism. Most forms of Buddhism don't aggree that we are a God as such.
We are all God then in life we forget who we are and that is why we create Ego's but still all have the same basic attributes.
How do you know what attributes God would have though ? Especially if you had forgetten that you where God. If you base it on the OT God, God has all the attirbutes of man.
Yet in my trip there was a conflict with the fact that the world I created suffered and then I suffered as a result. Then I didn't want to be God and wanted to hide again. Very confusing.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7468615 - 09/29/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I should also point out (to myself) that there where other huge synchronicities, some of which I touched on, that support the idea that something True was happening.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
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How do you know what attributes God would have though ? Especially if you had forgetten that you where God. If you base it on the OT God, God has all the attirbutes of man.
well I think that irregardless of the .o.t. God, when we talk about an an monotheistic God he has to have certain attributes, attributes we mortals don't have, such as: all powerful, the source of all being, all knowing, perfect, all-wise, perfect love, eternal, etc.
You definitely don't have all those.
What do you mean by synchronicities?
I'm not saying nothing in the mushroom trip was valid, but some things definitely not in my opinion. But drugs can play a powerful trick on the mind. Other things can too. Like music. You know how you listen to the song and you like it alot. And you start listening to the song, and you think it's like It was written just for you, but it really wasn't.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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-What do you think he meant by sychronicities? Dont you know what that word means?
-If you think he is talking about some schizophrenic synchronicity within a song or some shit, then I think its likely that you know nothing about why synchronicity was important to him at the time, or how that works........
-Everything within a trip is valid.
-Please stop talking about monotheism. There are reasons people write stories about gods that are virtuous in so many ways. The most important part of all religions at heart, has nothing to do with monotheism.
-Irregardless is sort of a real word, that is, unless you understand the the meaning of the word "regardless".
-Lsd was not ever "meant" to treat mentally retarded people. I dont know where you "heard that".
-you said, "um I just dont think some of the things you experienced were valid".<-------(In a nasally pretentious voice). -go fug yourself, du-b-ss.
I read too many shitty posts by you in too little time. I just had to say something. sorry...............
Thanks for the info.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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well I think that irregardless of the .o.t. God, when we talk about an an monotheistic God he has to have certain attributes, attributes we mortals don't have, such as: all powerful, the source of all being, all knowing, perfect, all-wise, perfect love, eternal, etc.
You definitely don't have all those.
No, I don't, but why would I if I had forgotten who I was. That is the whole point of falling into forgetting.
I don't see why the creator has to be all-knowing, all powerful.
Perhaps he was just a child when he created the world, perhaps he don't know anything at all and that is why he created it as a big ? mark.
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What do you mean by synchronicities?
I mean an event that co-incides with your current situation and gives the situation a meaning or relates to the situation in such as way as to be beyond co-incidence, especially when it happens many times in a row.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
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Synchronicity can turn your head into a knot of pure mathematical beauty. You may then ponder about how these things can possibly happen, that is, if you are all into math and chaos theory,(or are just pretty damn bright). When you ponder about it, it just keeps fucking with you and offering answers. Who organizes that shit?(you may ask yourself). Its very real, and a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Especially for people who honestly dont see it even for a first time, ever.
It can dominate you, and even show you some pretty strange things. Once you find them you will wonder if you want that info anymore. That blueprint. It only gets "bigger" over time. There are secrets, but you can be damn sure no body who understands these places will talk about it without being elusive. Thats because nobody here is going to write a 50 page essay about how this "synchronicity" can reveal some very strange things. It would be like writing a paper about how tripping your balls off can very literally bend time(in its own special sort of way). Writing a paper about why I can have an hour long dream in 5 minutes.
Its too complex to talk about on a message board like this because you would have to talk about how it is normal and a reflection of normal cognitive functions first. You have to be the judge and decide what more there might be to it, and how much of some persons short text you want to read.
Memory is a hologram. Every small part contains the whole or most of it anyways. This is a fact. It is clearly evident in brain damage patients for example.
Lets say we can see the structure of cognition....... Can we break rules. All I know is, YES. For damn sure, and it is not some invalid hallucination.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
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You seem to be speaking of a Christian God Jonathan, organized religion is crowd control in its most prolific form, if ya didn't already know.
Everything you know is God.
God is not some almighty ruler up in heaven, it's everything you've ever seen and everyone you've ever met. Everything you've yet to see, and all the peple of the world. God is the dirt beneath your feet, and the sky above your head.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: opensaysme]
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opensaysme said: God is the dirt beneath your feet, and the sky above your head.
that's called pantheism, from the ancient Greek for "God is All". If you hold that view, you're a pantheist.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7469289 - 09/30/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly the kind of stuff message boards like these (The psychedelic experience) should be conversing about. I know it is possible to have fruitful discussions of the utmost complexity develop on message boards. I think most people here are willing to write and think to become more aware, at least in a general sense. I love heavy questions, and your posts imply/reveal very "heavy" questions. The questions within your replys/answers are the real gem, for me, much of the time.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7469492 - 09/30/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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to see god or be god is normal to explain it or use it to overpower anything is not normal. religious terms usually mess it all up and trying to map it into the big religions is usually weird.
the little aging (transient) things that we are are part of everything which we can perceive, this is close to that yoke of immensity which we can tug at and be tugged by.
i like to hunt for it, to glimpse at it, and try and wrap up bits of it in words to bring it back for us to munch on, as we gather.
synchronicities help while hunting, like focussing on a scent. not more than that.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: redgreenvines]
#7469536 - 09/30/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: to explain it or use it to overpower anything is not normal.
That is normal to me; perhaps not substantial.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7469834 - 09/30/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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-What do you think he meant by sychronicities? Dont you know what that word means?
-If you think he is talking about some schizophrenic synchronicity within a song or some shit, then I think its likely that you know nothing about why synchronicity was important to him at the time, or how that works........
-Everything within a trip is valid.
-Please stop talking about monotheism. There are reasons people write stories about gods that are virtuous in so many ways. The most important part of all religions at heart, has nothing to do with monotheism.
-Irregardless is sort of a real word, that is, unless you understand the the meaning of the word "regardless".
-Lsd was not ever "meant" to treat mentally retarded people. I dont know where you "heard that".
-you said, "um I just dont think some of the things you experienced were valid".<-------(In a nasally pretentious voice). -go fug yourself, du-b-ss.
I read too many shitty posts by you in too little time. I just had to say something. sorry...............
Thanks for the info.
I've been lurking for a while but I thought I'd go ahead and make my first post one I really cared to make.
Yageman, you percieve Jonathan as being snoody about his posts because that's how you interpreted his words. To me, though, it seemed pretty straightforward 'I'm taking the logical approach, maybe you should consider it'.
I honestly wish there was a little bit more of that on this board. Certainly, there's nothing wrong with considering the idea that we're all actually God, or that we actually controlled the clouds, etc. But just as well, there's nothing wrong with looking at the scientific side of things. Psychedelics DO effect our brains in adverse ways.
"-Everything within a trip is valid."
How can you be so sure? You are validly experiencing emotions, insights, and visions; but that these things hold true from a logical standpoint can't be proven-unless one starts to, say communicate with the machine elves, or do god-like things, while sober.
Also, you're being very, very insulting without necessity in your post. Stop that; take a chill pill and debate with a level head
Edited by FutureBlues (09/30/07 10:25 AM)
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7470469 - 09/30/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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-What do you think he meant by sychronicities? Dont you know what that word means?
Yes I do, and there are many examples of synchronicities. Do you know the meaning of the word tact?
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-If you think he is talking about some schizophrenic synchronicity within a song or some lalala, then I think its likely that you know nothing about why synchronicity was important to him at the time, or how that works........
Actually music as I mentioned is a very good example of how your mind can play tricks on you.
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-Everything within a trip is valid.
nonsense.
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-Please stop talking about monotheism. There are reasons people write stories about gods that are virtuous in so many ways. The most important part of all religions at heart, has nothing to do with monotheism.
First of all, I'll talk about whatever I want. Second ,he's the one who mentioned remembering he was God. So I think it' was pretty relevant. The most important part of religion in my opinion is monotheism, and that my opinion. And your opinion is just that, so don't try to ram it down my throat.
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-Lsd was not ever "meant" to treat mentally retarded people. I dont know where you "heard that".
What does that have to do with this thread?
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-you said, "um I just dont think some of the things you experienced were valid".<-------(In a nasally pretentious voice). -go fug yourself, du-b-ss.
Actually i never said it that way at all. You're putting words in my mouth.
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I read too many *** posts by you in too little time. I just had to say something. sorry...............
"Too many" That's certainly an opinion also, and very subjective.
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Thanks for the info.
your welcome.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7470544 - 09/30/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not trying to be argumentative or turn this into a theological debate.But if you really think about it, you'll understand that even if there were multiple Gods, there has to be one single God that is the source of all being. He has to have those attributes I mentioned. This is something that has been argued over and over again, and I didn't mean to turn it into a big debate here.
But the bottom line is this, If you were God then you must be God now, because if you created everything, then everything would be upheld by your power. But since it's obvious you are not the source of all being, and you are not all powerful, then you're not God.
I'm not saying this to attack you, I'm just really honestly trying to help you get over this, it's obvious you're pretty messed up over his, and It's not good for other people to just leave you alone in these things for the sake of subjective experience. Some things are subjective yeah, but the objectiveness we have to determine truth is found in this world, not the mushroom world.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7470606 - 09/30/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said:
But the bottom line is this, If you were God then you must be God now, because if you created everything, then everything would be upheld by your power. But since it's obvious you are not the source of all being, and you are not all powerful, then you're not God.
What if he is God and forgot again?
What if he knows how to be God, but can't figure out how to do it while restricted to the physical body?
Are we all even using the same definition of "God"?
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7470793 - 09/30/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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WOW! Very interesting. A wise man once told me,"On who has a truly Bad Trip never trips again. They refuse the experience. If one has unpleasant experiences during a trip and learns from them, there has not been a Bad Trip. That person has experienced pleasantries during a Good Trip. That person will take the Good and the Bad and learn from them."
Each of are all gods. We have power over our OWN reality.
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http://www.whatthebleep.com/
If one wants to really expand ones mind watch each of the movies and study quantum physics. Do it on Shrooms or LSD if one really wants a mind blowing experience.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7470843 - 09/30/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol. i'll preface this by saying that the following comment is not directed towards anyone in particular. many of the posters here have become fixated on the word god for some odd reason. the original poster had a heavy trip about remembering that he had forgotten that he was "god". of course this is going to be a pretty ubiquitous experience for western users of psychedelics who have grown up within the monotheistic pseudo-christian paradigm that is constantly being reinforced by parents, culture, etc.
but, regardless of anyone's views on spirituality, theology, philosophy, etc. we are all most definitely star-children. and by this I mean we are all made up of stardust; we are the cosmos. sometimes we just get caught up in our localized selves and forget how infinite this all really is. why must it go any farther than that, and what in the hell does the english word "god" have to do with anything?
and to the original poster, sorry you had to feel such negativity. take a break, do some reading, etc. and continue your inner explorations when you are comfortable and ready.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: 33L]
#7470898 - 09/30/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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god damhehehe mushroom drama look people you just eat them and what comes comes. its not diffrent from anything else in life really. i took 5 grans ast night. thats now my prefered dose. its a good altitude at witch to see the grand vistas of our energy web we call home
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7471189 - 09/30/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ell Ess Bree said: Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
it sounds like you have never tripped, mushrooms result in ego loss, and from the way you talk about them, you have never experienced it
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: notapillow]
#7471198 - 09/30/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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notapillow said: god damhehehe mushroom drama look people you just eat them and what comes comes. its not diffrent from anything else in life really. i took 5 grans ast night. thats now my prefered dose. its a good altitude at witch to see the grand vistas of our energy web we call home
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Syle]
#7471358 - 09/30/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What if he is God and forgot again?
What if he knows how to be God, but can't figure out how to do it while restricted to the physical body?
Are we all even using the same definition of "God"?
I could argue against this, but I stopped for a moment and realized there's a deeper issue. Jesus says he's God and nobody believes him despite many miracles. Now this guy says he remembered he's God while tripping on large amounts of a hallucinagenic drug, and everyone is come to his rescue.
I'm sorry, I wanted to help,but this is going too far. God forget how to be God? Can you forget how to be you? It's not something you can forget. It just is.
You can make the word God mean anything you want but that doesn't make it God.
I hope you work things out tripper. Bye.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7472066 - 09/30/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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But the bottom line is this, If you were God then you must be God now, because if you created everything, then everything would be upheld by your power. But since it's obvious you are not the source of all being, and you are not all powerful, then you're not God
Ok, so I am still God, but I have forgotten. Even though I can say I am God, I don't truly remember, not like during my trip. Now it is just words, the memory is gone.
Doesn't it seem a bit weird that you can't remember anything about who you are ? You have either forgotten or you never knew. They are the 2 options. There is a vale the hides that knowledge for some reason or you where nothing and there is nothing to hide.
Also just because God the creator created the universe, it doesn't mean that it was his power he used, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, like in the Gnostic myth, Gospel of John (not that I really want to be that creator God).
Maybe God didn't know who he was so he expressed himself in the material ... a place of limits. Maybe he forget in order to explore or he never knew to begin with. There is nothing to suggest God has mind, perhaps he is just a Will and Intelect, and we are the mind, through evolution.
We are all wired up with logic, memory and emotions, but can't remember who or what we are, so we just make it up (Ego).
Look at life throughout evolution, it started out blind, deaf, simple, not exactly the work of a God that seemed to know what he was doing. Life crawled its way on it's belly through the mud and slowly slowly collected knowledge about the evironment around it, till the point where it became us, a creature that can question who he is.
And anyway, I'd call having an affect on the material world with mind, pretty powerful myself hehe 
One last thing. I can't see any more 'madness' in someone believing that there is a God up there looking over us, without having ever had any experience of other than through intellectual ideas, than someone considering that we are God, after having had that very experience.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7472234 - 09/30/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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nothing is borrowed nothing is lent you have not "forgotten" anything
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: notapillow]
#7473509 - 10/01/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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since when are drugs suppose to be safe?
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since you take them with propper forsight and with pure intentios. so as for "when" that happens that is up to you
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