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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7458901 - 09/27/07 05:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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cloudtripper said:
I couldn't deal with the reality I what I was going through.




Yea, exactly.

All of that sounds pretty awesome, dude, idk what the problem is.

Oh wait, I quoted it for you.


And to the others, I didn't say it wasn't as bad as he said it was, I told him I doubt it was. It really could have been, but I personally am going to be over here doubting that fact. Which is fine, to each their own! Continue, citizens.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7458937 - 09/27/07 06:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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All of that sounds pretty awesome, dude, idk what the problem is




I explained what the problem was in my post man. I don't know how I could make it much more clear for you.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7458968 - 09/27/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I sense some seriously nasty karma building up against Ell Ess Bree. I think it's pretty obvious that you've never had an experience anything like this, otherwise you would certainly be a bit more sympathetic. A five gram mushroom trip can be incredibly intense and if it goes bad, quite scary and tough to deal with. Is this how you treat someone asking for guidance? asshole


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: opensaysme]
    #7459000 - 09/27/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's cool man, I don't expect everyone to understand, I'm just explaining it how it was and putting out a bit of a warning for others.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7459047 - 09/27/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it'scool dude. i understand entirely.

good luck on your journey


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7459121 - 09/27/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Next thing I felt sick, I mean sicker than ever, but not in the stomach, but through everypart of me, in my mind (it's hard to explain).  I thought I was going to die, then I vomiting, like I never have before, from deep inside (this is at the 3 hour mark in the trip).


That makes me think of ayahuasca a lot. When I puke on aya, everyone always wonders where the hell that comes from. Deep inside is the least you could say. It can be terribly noisy as well.
I've had that on mushrooms once (after I was introduced to aya). Usually the puking makes you feel better, like you purge some amount of negativity. The worst part is when you would love to puke but nothing comes out, like happened to you afterwards. I feel for you there, that is really terrible. On a symbolic level this may be something that is bad for you but to which you cling to anyway. There are many things that are bad for us but that are familiar and seem comforting, so we have a hard time letting go of those.
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Did I learn anything ?  I think it threw up as many questions as answers.  I've been reading alot more about Buddhism since and I think I might start taking that more seriously.


That was exactly my reaction to a recent syrian rue + shrooms trip that was extremely intense, both good and bad at the same time. I reached the conclusion that some questions will never be answered and are just there for questions' sake. When I came back from that insane territory, I had a strong desire for Buddhist and Sufi literature. I started the Buddhist part already, and it made me understand a hell of a lot.

Good luck to you :thumbup:


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7459155 - 09/27/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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cloudtripper said:
I didn't know it was possible to feel that bad.




That's exactly what I was thinking after my worst (by far) bad trip ever. I realized how weak I was mentally/spiritually in the face of this terrifying world. Whatever we're experiencing through our existence is some serious serious stuff. Given this potential for such intense extreme suffering, I can totally understand the need for extreme measures in preparing ourselves for complete understanding and acceptance of everything that we can potentially face.

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You see, I found out that I was God and I made the world. Not that I thought that I was God, but that I remembered I was. It's because we forget who we are that we all become different. Life is about forgetting.





This is a recurring theme in my trips too. I think the more we work ourselves into this comfortable illusion, the more suffering it will take to extricate ourselves from it. The solution is to wean ourselves off it as quickly as possible (as quickly as we can handle it) by confronting our fears experientially, even taking extreme ascetic measures until we understand and are comfortable with the vast array of circumstances we can find ourselves in.

There's no moral imperative to do it; the incentive is that it's in our own best interest (IMO).


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: druglord]
    #7459428 - 09/27/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I've thrown up before on trips and normally I feel much better after.  But that is always in the first 30 minutes.  This time I didn't feel sick at all during most of the trip, then after 3 hours I threw up suddenly and I felt even worse then.  Oh yeah when I was throwing up I had closed eyed visuals of kinda of black slimy leach things (one big one).

The feeling of being God was just like I had amnesia, it was no surprise cause I had always known, before I had forgotten, the surprise was that I had forgotten. 

Glad to know that others have had similar experiences.  Keep up the good work :thumbup:


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7459487 - 09/27/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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cloudtripper said:
The feeling of being God was just like I had amnesia, it was no surprise cause I had always known, before I had forgotten, the surprise was that I had forgotten.




The more I read trip reports and experiences, the more apparent it becomes to me that the whole, "I am God, but I forgot" motif is a common occurrence.

Indeed, even I've experienced it more than once on DMT.  However, it's a bit different.  No feeling of surprise -- I almost get the impression that I forced myself to forget. 

I guess orchestrating all existence is a stressful operation that even God needs a vacation from every once and a while.  :lol:


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Elementium]
    #7459535 - 09/27/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Norom said:
"I am God, but I forgot"





on one unexpected shroom trip, i was doing one of those 'mental spirals' and being sucked back/out/into/out of reality and i could hear this voice saying something like "YES, FOR FUCKS SAKE! YOU ARE GOD! AND YOU'VE KILLED BONNIE!"

it was fucking freaky.

You saying that is really creepy.

I shall now read the rest of this thread

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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: roquet]
    #7459551 - 09/27/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah I had a few bad ones from acid in my teens.
  nowdays I only like threshold doses
  from .7 grams of dried shrooms to 1.5 grams  and I will lay down in bed and have very insightful trips  as compared to taking huge doses and being out in public.
    but threshold cactus is good for being out with friends though :thumbup:


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7459665 - 09/27/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I sense some seriously nasty karma building up against Ell Ess Bree. I think it's pretty obvious that you've never had an experience anything like this, otherwise you would certainly be a bit more sympathetic. A five gram mushroom trip can be incredibly intense and if it goes bad, quite scary and tough to deal with. Is this how you treat someone asking for guidance? asshole




Seriously. :thumbup:

What goes up will come down...

Sorry ya had such a rough time cloudtripper. However you are better off now than those who have not yet been there.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7465657 - 09/28/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

sounded like you needed to let go, and let the mushroom journey unfold :sun:

dont ever try and fight your trip.

sorry to hear you had a bad experience, but life goes on


can wesee the photos of the clouds you were moving? :3rd_eye:


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Psilobuds]
    #7465784 - 09/28/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah well I always let go, I always make sure I am on my own a long way away from anyone so I can just lie down in the sun arms and legs outstretched or whatever. Anyone that sees me would just think I was a mad man on mushrooms .. hehe.

But yeah this time I did try to fight back for the first time, mainly because it was so unpleasant. It also freaked me out that it was at the 3 - 3.5 hour mark and by that time I should have been coming down, not still going up.

Photo story ....

I did DMT about a dozen times, the second last time I did it, I smoked until I couldn't hold the pipe, then the ringing in my ears came, then the mosaic patterns. This time I look straight up above me, open eyes. The blue sky had the mosaic pattens spread over it.

There was this little tiny speck of cloud, just a whisp. I concentrated on it and all of a sudden it started to expand, I felt it expanding inside of me so I concreted on making it expand more and it did and all these kinds of sea horses came out the sides curling up, it broke up into many fractals and they got bigger and the whole thing was like a big spine.

I was thinking this is the best DMT trip I have had. Anyway after about 10 minutes of playing with the cloud, I realized that I wasn't just tripping, that the cloud really did exists. That was a very profound moment, I really just wanted to scream, I couldn't believe it was a real cloud. I thought I have to get the camera and get a photo so I can see if I am just tripping or not.

It took about 5 minutes to go inside find the camera and come back out and the cloud had lost some detail, but it was still there, i took some shots.

Within 10 minutes the cloud had dissolved again, and it was a perfect blue sky day again.

http://67.15.185.20/~myspace/cloud.jpg

The same thing happened the other day on my big mushy trip.

Try it some time.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7465792 - 09/28/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?

The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".

I think you're overdoing it.  I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out.  Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.




Oh shut up. Honestly, your serious lack of sensitivity - considering the subject matter - really makes it seem like you have no experience with psychedelics. They aren't a competition, and experiences can seem as real as the air we breathe. That's the beauty of them.

If you want to get in a pissing contest, do it with some other drug - one with less psychological consequences. For example, I would wager everything I have to my name that I can eat TWICE as many tabs of XTC in one sitting as you. And that in my drug-using career, I have eaten AT LEAST 750 more than you ever have. But then, what does that say about me? That I know how to use drugs and you don't?

You're the one that needs to grow up. And if you think tripping is a contest, you're in the wrong place buddy.

Good day. :mushroom2:


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7465846 - 09/28/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.

Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)

So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.




That's exactly what happened to me. I was thrown into a situation that I was miserably uncomfortable in and things were getting bad and then in an instant, everything changed. I became myself again, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen to me, too bad I killed it by getting drunk later on that night.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: BirdsIView]
    #7465991 - 09/28/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.

Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)

So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.




That's exactly what happened to me. I was thrown into a situation that I was miserably uncomfortable in and things were getting bad and then in an instant, everything changed. I became myself again, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen to me, too bad I killed it by getting drunk later on that night.




That's all fine and dandy. Only your misunderstanding/misrepresenting the meaning of the term "bad trip".

Overcoming internal conflicts/struggles/tribulations that come up during a trip are indeed some of the most meaningful events in life. They are big steps in getting a little bit closer to self-discovery. I don't associate problem-solving and happy endings with bad trips... These are in fact simple attributes that ALL "good" trips should include: leaving you with a little bit better understanding of yourself.

A truly BAD trip is exactly what this individual described. He got sick, then got sicker, and it left him with an initial resolve of not wanting to use psychedelics anymore. A bad trip is one of the scariest and most intense struggles you can go through in life - mainly because at the time, in our minds, they are perceived realities. So when you say you look forward to your first bad trip, it clearly shows that you don't realize the weight of what an ACTUAL bad trip holds. Its not like watching a horror film - its not a completely visual experience. MOST of what makes a bad trip a bad trip, is the uncomfortable and unnerving FEELINGS and EMOTIONS that characterize it.

Consider it. :wink:

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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7466904 - 09/29/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It is interesting hearing you talk about the 'comfort zone.'

I have been thinking about these kinds of things lately. It is like your fall from grace, or the expulsion from paradise! I think humans evolved in the warmness and comfort of the equator, and that was paradise for us, our comfort zone.

Just a thought, as I have had trips verging on these themes.

Good luck with the integration part. I hope someday you will look back on this experience and realize how important what you learned was.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7467009 - 09/29/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
I think I'm a person like all the rest of you, well capable of typing my opinion on a message board like everyone else who manages to do so. Sorry that it happens to be one you disagree with?





Well, this person is obviously extremely inexperienced in terms of the psychedelic experience. The tree in front of my house is ten times more psychedelic than this person.

On a side not, 5 dried gram trips are something else. Terence McKenna constantly advocated them, and there was a reason for this. He knew that five dried gram trips are completely different than your ordinary, average trip. If Terence called this dose a 'heroic dose', then that should obviously tell you something.

Cloudtripper
Keep it up! You are an explorer and are going far, traversing the ordinary limitations, the limitations entangling each and every one of us here on Earth. You know what you are talking about, and you have an excellent head on your shoulders. Personally, I find that there is no such thing as a 'good' trip and a 'bad' trip. I feel that such simplified terms to describe such a profound and revelational experience undermind the experience itself. Therefore, I consdier every psychedelic experience as just that, a 'psychedelic experience'. You learn all the time. Sometimes it's painful to learn, while at other times it's not. Sometimes we hit barriers in the psychedelic domain, barriers that we need to shatter. Positive and negative experiences are part of the psychedelic experience. If you do not experience both the positive and the negative, then you are not receiving a psychedelic experience.

You have hit a new level in your psychedelic journey. Be glad, for now you know, now you have experienced. Some people never make it to this level. Some people, such as Ell Ess Bree (bless him), will never even make it up the first step on the ladder. Naturally, some people are just extremely unpsychedelic, and they will never make it to where you are are in life. If you are not already at the pinnacle, then you are almost at the top.

You are a psychonaut.


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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Feanor]
    #7467215 - 09/29/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ya 5 can get you pretty far out. both up and down. hevan and hell. but that is not why you took 5 grams is it? 5 grams will open alot of doors and once opened you cannot always slam them shut again. the key is acceptance and fluidity. you will find yourself some place better, some time, somewhere. always bear that in mind. also when things get to heavy its always easier to think about it tomaro. and of course i know that it can be hard to keep these things in mind while your face is dripping off, but it just how it works. live learn love :smile:
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