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Is this an ok solvent?
    #7454456 - 09/26/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hi everyone, ive been considering extracting lsa from H.B woodrose seeds, but am a bit freaked out about the toxic nature of the solvents. I wouldnt be so worried if could find a pure solvent but its the additives which worry me, such as benzene. I was in a shop today and i noticed a solvent, it seems to be some kind of thing used in burners to keep mosquitoes away, what attracted me was that it showed what it had in it, it said 98% liquid hydrocarbons and 2% citronella. Whats you opinion on this stuff?

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    #7454746 - 09/26/07 07:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: Chubba]
    #7454853 - 09/26/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the reply. I need a non polar solvent, one which evaporates easily, to get rid of the bad stuff in the seeds, thats why i think i will need to use a toxic one. Does hydrocarbons not mean much? Does it cover a range of chemicals? I dont think i can get access to chemicals from a college or uni. I guess its hard to find really pure chemicals in retail stores though.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7454933 - 09/26/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if they're sold over in Australia, but I hear that the Klean-Strip line of hardware store chemicals is of acceptable purity for most of the extractions one might wish to perform.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7454943 - 09/26/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

You can use Naptha or butane I believe. I read in another tek here the other day that Shellite camp fuel stove is a good source of naptha in Aus. Don't take my word on this though. Search around a bit. In some thread I saw a link to various solvents and substitutes but I never looked at it and don't remember where I saw it. Maybe someone here knows.

Be sure to test evaporate whatever solvent you choose. It should leave no residue or odor behind once evaporated.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7454968 - 09/26/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Be sure to test evaporate whatever solvent you choose. It should leave no residue or odor behind once evaporated.




Good advice. :thumbup:

It's also advisable to check the product's MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for that specific lot to check the exact content if you're feeling especially paranoid. :wink:

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: Elementium]
    #7454997 - 09/26/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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What about ethanol?





It would for a polar solvent which is Just the opposite.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: Elementium]
    #7454998 - 09/26/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Naptha man. what kinda extraction are you doing btw? cause theres a few differnt types you can do a full out acid base or easier non-polar wash and alcohol extract


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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: Elementium]
    #7455001 - 09/26/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think ill look around the stores and when i find something which could be good, ill look up its safety sheet and do a test evaperation to be sure. Ethanol would be perfect for the second stage of the extraction because its polar i think, if not i might buy some cheap absinthe for that part. Thanks heaps guys, this info has helped me alot :smile:

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7455005 - 09/26/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I think ill look around the stores and when i find something which could be good, ill look up its safety sheet and do a test evaperation to be sure. Ethanol would be perfect for the second stage of the extraction because its polar i think, if not i might buy some cheap absinthe for that part. Thanks heaps guys, this info has helped me alot :smile:




Sounds like a plan, brother.

Good luck. :sunny:

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7455010 - 09/26/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Im thinking of the one where you soak the seeds in a non polar solvent to remove the bad stuff, let the solvent evaporate, then put the seeds into a polar solvent to remove the lsa, then filter out the seed gunk.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7455022 - 09/26/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Why don't you just do a cold water infusion?

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7455034 - 09/26/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I wasent sure how well that method worked. Is that the one where you soak them in water, filter them out, then drink the water? Do you know if can still feel sick after that?

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7455060 - 09/26/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

BTW if you haven't already be sure to check out the new Chemistry and Pharmacology forum here. Lots to learn there. I love it.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7455070 - 09/26/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

well if you not gona A/B then use alcohol 90% iso and evap using naptha to clean it. or you can use weaker alcohol like vodka for a drinkable version.


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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7455106 - 09/26/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Cool, and i definitely check out that chemistry forum. By the way thedudenj, do those plants in your photo's, with the purple flowers, have any psychedelic properties because there’s heaps growing just down the street from me :tongue:?

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7455117 - 09/26/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

no they dont, medical and as food tho


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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7455474 - 09/26/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

oh man dont use that stuff with citronila in it. thats bad man, go for naptha

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: Xeluc]
    #7458766 - 09/27/07 03:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think your right Xeluc, im not going to go with that stuff. I cant access the chemistry forum yet, i think i have to wait 14 days and post 10 posts. Ive been thinking though, the theory is, as far as i know, that the bad stuff in the seeds is soluble in non polar solvents, and the good stuff is soluble in polar solvents. So since i want to get the lsa into a liquid, cant i skip the non polar bit, and just use a polar one (water with no chlorine) to get out the lsa, leaving the bad stuff in the seeds and the good stuff in the water, then filter the water through a coffee filter to get rid of any seed matter or oil which may of come out from grinding them? I hope i expressed that clearly.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7459323 - 09/27/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't do the LSA but I've done other extractions and I assume if you are to use a non polar solvent to wash out the bad stuff and a polar solvent to grab the goodies afterwards, then both the bad and good are soluble in the polar solvent. Otherwise there would be no need for the different steps and solvents to begin with.

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Re: Is this an ok solvent? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7459608 - 09/27/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

yeah but you can deffinatly do an acid base and make the goodies non polar


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