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 US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies 
#745439 - 07/14/02 12:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies
By Ritt Goldstein
July 15 2002
The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups.
The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity".
Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential for abusive, large-scale investigations of US citizens.
As with the Patriot Act, TIPS is being pursued as part of the so-called war against terrorism. It is a Department of Justice project.
Highlighting the scope of the surveillance network, TIPS volunteers are being recruited primarily from among those whose work provides access to homes, businesses or transport systems. Letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors are among those named as targeted recruits.
A pilot program, described on the government Web site www.citizencorps.gov, is scheduled to start next month in 10 cities, with 1 million informants participating in the first stage. Assuming the program is initiated in the 10 largest US cities, that will be 1 million informants for a total population of almost 24 million, or one in 24 people.
Historically, informant systems have been the tools of non-democratic states. According to a 1992 report by Harvard University's Project on Justice, the accuracy of informant reports is problematic, with some informants having embellished the truth, and others suspected of having fabricated their reports.
Present Justice Department procedures mean that informant reports will enter databases for future reference and/or action. The information will then be broadly available within the department, related agencies and local police forces. The targeted individual will remain unaware of the existence of the report and of its contents.
The Patriot Act already provides for a person's home to be searched without that person being informed that a search was ever performed, or of any surveillance devices that were implanted.
At state and local levels the TIPS program will be co-ordinated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which was given sweeping new powers, including internment...
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#745504 - 07/14/02 01:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there a source for that article?
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Ellis Dee]
#745580 - 07/14/02 01:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nevermind. I found the source for this same article posted in the political forum at thefiringline.com.
From http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0714-06.htm
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#745865 - 07/14/02 04:06 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
"Highlighting the scope of the surveillance network, TIPS volunteers are being recruited primarily from among those whose work provides access to homes, businesses or transport systems. Letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors are among those named as targeted recruits."
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Ellis Dee]
#747200 - 07/15/02 05:11 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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God I hope that's not true...do you realize the implications of this? Bush is the fuckin Anti-Christ....
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Rono]
#748284 - 07/15/02 12:53 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hows the rent up their in Canada? I think its time I take up moose hunting.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#748657 - 07/15/02 03:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is not good. Not good at all. 
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#748670 - 07/15/02 04:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.policevolunteers.org/
This could have a terrible impact on drug users. If 1 in 24 people become a snitch...
Best of luck to all you guys in America.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Rono]
#748823 - 07/15/02 04:49 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is true. Look on the gov's web site here.
Perhaps you don't really understand the implications. Here's what agricola believes the implications to be:
"cut away the sentimentality:
i) the government can now imprison you without trial, habeas corpus, legal representation, in effect during the War on Terror you have no protection from the Bill of Rights, actions which now have legal precedent and justification through the Patriot Act;
ii) your neighbours and coworkers may now be paid informants of the state;
iii) your country has the death sentence;
iv) it first came to my attention here: http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,755060,00.html "
The inference is clear. American citizens can now be detained indefinatly and even executed without due process of law. I find this moderatly disturbing. Take care, RG
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Ellis Dee]
#748980 - 07/15/02 05:49 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've collected a few quotes to mark the passing of the Republic in the hopes that some may be compelled to take action to re-establish the liberties which are our birthright...
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
-- William Pitt, 1783
"When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
-- Gary Lloyd
"...the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me."
-- Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand....The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst,the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#752313 - 07/16/02 11:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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That shit is easy to kill.When it starts, tell on everybody for everything,and it will swamp any system.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: francisco]
#752663 - 07/17/02 06:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'de advise you not to sign up. If this program goes the way they do in tyranical countries then participants will have a quota of snitchings to do and if they fail to meet it they will become suspects and victims of the same system they're a part of. Look at the cultural revolution in China.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#753233 - 07/17/02 09:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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we should all join and call in on people who have Bush stickers on their car....
tell the man that we saw a suspicious person in a car with "hate" stickers.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: PGF]
#753404 - 07/17/02 11:08 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes I do think it would be good to bring suspicion on the very people who are most supportive of this. The more that we throw monkey wrenches in the system, the better. If supporters of this can be made victims of it, they might then change their minds. However, I would postulate that it's not just people who voted for Bush. There are large numbers of both political parties which go along with this crap. If Hillary Clinton (for example) was to get the presidency in the next election cycle, she would not dismantle this apparatus but would use it for her own ends. The whole duopoly system in this country is rotten to the core and must be overthrown. Couple fucking with the system with civil disobedience, and tell as many people as will listen how fucked up this is - raise awareness.
We must start this from day one, we cannot wait while people become used to bearing the chains of tyrrany because they fear the latest 'enemy' of the U.S. As far as I'm concerned our federal government has become criminal and is not due any respect or obedience at all. This is only beginning, expect things to get a lot worse before they get better.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#757383 - 07/18/02 07:09 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's that? Government tries to control everything?
DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#757585 - 07/18/02 07:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're askin' for a bannin' you are!! 
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#758200 - 07/19/02 04:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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ATTENTION! The TIPS program just died. The republicans just killed it. Check my new post on the ID cards and TIPS getting killed. Boo Yah!
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: Ellis Dee]
#758231 - 07/19/02 04:55 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just read your post. We have to remain vigilant because you can count on those sneeky bastards trying to implement it via some other way. Look at what happened with the 'Know Your Customer' regulations.
Edited by Evolving (07/19/02 09:27 AM)
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#758681 - 07/19/02 08:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am afraid that even our vigilance will serve us not. The fear machine is in full force now, the patriot bill was just the first step, no self-respecting citizen would have ever considered that he would become a terrorist overnight, but that is what that bill did. I have no intention of giving up, I hope none of you do either, but it is looking rather bleak wouldn't you say?
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: ]
#764035 - 07/21/02 07:21 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I expect this is all for "the war on terrorism".
Anyway if you were a terrorist opperating in the US, are you going to have anything suspisous in view when the mail man comes around orwhen you get your washing machine fixed?
No.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: The_Clash_UK]
#764165 - 07/21/02 08:35 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adding to the confusion is the question of who is a "terrorist" and what is "suspicious". Me worry. I agree with Rail Gun, it sounds a lot like China's cultural revolution, where masses of brainwashed youth weeded out the nation's intellectuals--teachers, artists, anyone with glasses. Let's hope the measure stays dead.
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Re: US to Recruit 1 in 24 Citizens as Domestic Spies [Re: hongomon]
#764262 - 07/21/02 09:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I knew from the start this terrorism crao would be used to bring in new laws that no one would object to.
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