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Veritas

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I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts
#7453773 - 09/25/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since childhood, I have adored stories about magic, ESP, levitation, aliens, telekinesis, ghosts, and so on. My first crush was on Peter Pan, and I dreamed of being sprinkled with "fairy dust" so that I, too, could fly off to Neverland.
I was also brought up and educated to be a critical thinker, a detective, and a scientist. I applied these skills to my deep longing for magic to be real, and searched high and low for solid evidence that it was. My disillusionment when there WAS no evidence to be found was intense.
So I wonder...if someone who wished for, longed for, dreamed of these things being real, who applied serious research and discernment to the quest of proving that they were, has found no solid evidence to date...how likely is it that any of these things exist? If the many other researchers whose work I've examined have found nothing, isn't the more likely explanation that it is all wishful thinking?
I've heard it said on these forums "you will see when you believe," yet I believed and deeply longed to see for decades. Despite my affection and hope for the magical and unexplained to be real, my examination of the evidence could not be denied.
Why should I, or anyone who has had the same results, believe that there is more to this life than what we can experience with our senses?
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Veritas]
#7453910 - 09/25/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have such a low vibrational level. Even your aura is a smog-yellow. Rediscover your root (chakra).
Perhaps a Swami blessing is in order.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7454162 - 09/26/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hahahahaha the parody of philosophy and spirituality.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Veritas]
#7454217 - 09/26/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's a pretty familiar story, Veritas... so very familiar.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Cracka_X]
#7454222 - 09/26/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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but it is real it was real go back to the other side and see if it is not the case. get stacked, stoned, dreamed or charmed, and Hogwarts is home again. same as it ever was.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: redgreenvines]
#7454289 - 09/26/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because perhaps whatever experiments were being undertaken were not performed under the appropriate conditions.
Have you ever thought that maybe the magic of life can't come when forced? That we can rape the meaning of life and leave nihilism in our wake?
Honestly, I see your argument and I understand the feeling, but it is still not valid disproof. To me, it's like saying, "I set out mouse traps everywhere in my house because somebody said they thought there were mice there... but I never caught any. Mice must not exist."
Perhaps a better argument would be how it could not be possible for such things to exist, rather than that you've never seen them or haven't known anybody who has.
But even then you'd have trouble, as the good majority of things that exist are indiscernible to our five senses. Even science teaches us this.
-------------------- "I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Veritas]
#7454441 - 09/26/07 04:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why should I, or anyone who has had the same results, believe that there is more to this life than what we can experience with our senses?
You must consider, however, that there is more to our senses than you can currently fathom. Is it possible that "what" you perceive is governed by how you were taught to perceive it?
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Veritas

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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: stellar renegade]
#7454512 - 09/26/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because perhaps whatever experiments were being undertaken were not performed under the appropriate conditions.
Have you ever thought that maybe the magic of life can't come when forced? That we can rape the meaning of life and leave nihilism in our wake?
How is approaching life as though it is full of magic forcing it to happen? My approach for many years was based on the belief that the paranormal WAS real, yet none of my experiences confirmed this belief. Many of those who have undertaken scientific research into the paranormal WANT to believe, WANT to find evidence, yet they do not.
Sorry, but this just sounds like another excuse. If paranormal phenomenon are actually part of the natural world. then they would not shrink away from scrutiny. This simply does not make sense. Even if we go with the "s-rays" theory, why would the phenomenon also shrink away from believers who genuinely want to experience such things?
Yes, there are things which we cannot perceive with our senses, and we have discovered them by developing technology to explain the evidence which suggested their existence. What I am asking about is why I should believe in phenomenon for which there IS no credible evidence?
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Veritas

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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: redgreenvines]
#7454518 - 09/26/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: but it is real it was real go back to the other side and see if it is not the case. get stacked, stoned, dreamed or charmed, and Hogwarts is home again. same as it ever was.
Oh, I do, I do, yet I recognize the difference between these experiences and "straight" reality. It seems to be for entertainment purposes only, as they say on the lottery tickets.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Veritas]
#7454611 - 09/26/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"In order to see the invisible, first open thine eyes WIDE upon the visible."
Schools like Hogwarts are REAL!
Everything is magic, every little thing...
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Veritas]
#7455039 - 09/26/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you never experienced telepathy or dwelled in the same thoughtflow as someone else?
Can you feel other people's moods? I have felt this many times. It is very real.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: dorkus]
#7455128 - 09/26/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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dorkus said: Can you feel other people's moods? I have felt this many times. It is very real.
Of course it is, and there is nothing inexplicable about it. 
Human beings have been interacting together for thousands of years together, and other human beings are very similar to ourself. It comes quite naturally that we can perceive the emotional states of others.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Veritas]
#7455196 - 09/26/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"you will see when you believe,"
Don't believe people who are trying to convince themselves of something by convincing you.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Middleman]
#7455201 - 09/26/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Middleman said: "In order to see the invisible, first open thine eyes WIDE upon the visible."
Schools like Hogwarts are REAL!
Everything is magic, every little thing...
Are you old enough to be posting here?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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dorkus
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: fireworks_god]
#7455222 - 09/26/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe that is all. I suspect there is more to it. The fairy dust most certainly exists. *sprinkles*
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: dorkus]
#7455259 - 09/26/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please don't think I was reducing the value or the mystery in it... Life is the most mysterious thing of them all!
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: fireworks_god]
#7455269 - 09/26/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Indeed. Life is total mystery why downgrade it with fantasy? I'll answer that. Because some of the real mystery is not to our liking.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Icelander]
#7455286 - 09/26/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because some of the real mystery is not to our liking.
Like death..
-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: shakercee]
#7455329 - 09/26/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Instead of looking for the magic (you've never seen it so you don't even know what you're looking for) try looking at everything. Perceive everything with open eyes and an open mind. It just might turn out that you will find the magic where you never thought possible.
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Re: I would love to have gone to school at Hogwarts [Re: Icelander]
#7455345 - 09/26/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you honestly say you have no experience with telepathy? You've even made posts about communicating with a friend on "the inner plane". I remember clearly that you said it happened during a mushroom trip, and that he confirmed it to you by saying something a few days later.
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