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akadjusters
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Help the noob please PF Tek
#7452992 - 09/25/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi, 1st timer here and I honestly researched the heck outta this. Just picked my 1st fruit and I appear to have 2 on one cake and the caps are going to be no bigger then a a quarter. It's just one cake, but that looks to be all I'm getting for a 1st flush on it. Is that normal? Here's the rundown... verm and brp in 1/2 pint jars. Incubated in the top of my closet, temps ranged from 78-85 and probably stayed on the low side alot of the time. still, I had full colo in about 22 days with none lost to contamination. Dunked 12 hrs in the fridge in spring water. Took it 10 days to fruit after placing in the fc. Fc temp was 74-77. Ambient sunshine all day and heated with a normal lightbulb round the clock. Perlite and aquarium bubbler for humidity (99% supposedly) fanned 2-3 times a day. the cakes looked too wet when i started, and they look too dry now. I broke down and barely misted them yesterday. Should i have? When is the best time for birthing? Immediatly after full colo? Any ideas on increasing yeilds? Thanks for any help!
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Re: Help the noob please PF Tek [Re: akadjusters]
#7453032 - 09/25/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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IMO, you should wait one full week after full colonization before birthing your cakes. Doing this allows the myc to get a foothold on the substrate. If you birth immediately after 100% colonization, they are just gonna sit in the FC for a week anyway. Might as well let them sit in the jar they were in. Will help reduce risk of contams too. You may should have dunked a little longer. I personally dunk for 24 hrs after birthing. Also, did you roll the cakes in fresh, dry verm after dunking? Doing this allows the verm to act as a casing layer. You then want to mist the verm several times over the first 24 hours to keep it good and moist and help give moisture to the cake. RH is one of the main triggers for pinning. Maybe your RH wasn't 99-100%. That is optimal. You may want to fan more than 2-3 times a day. 4-6 might be better. If you don't get enough FAE, you are going to have too much CO2 in your FC and that will stall the growth of your cakes. You shouldn't have to mist the cakes all that much. you should see some growth after about 3-4 days in the FC. you can mist the sides of the FC and mist in the air above the cakes, but shouldn't really ned to mist the cakes. Won't necessarily hurt them though. The dunking and the moist verm should have been enough for the first flush. After you harvest the first flush, repeat the dunk & roll process and let it start over.
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Re: Help the noob please PF Tek [Re: akadjusters]
#7453080 - 09/25/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, two mushrooms off of one cake is not that great. Not trying to slam ya bro, but you asked. Here is link to some updated pics of my pins that I took this morning. When I got home tonight they were even bigger and there were a lot more of them too. This is my first grow ever so I am very pleased with the results so far. I know this isn't the best pin set ever, but i'm pleased. Just thought i'd give ya something to look at and compare. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. Good luck and I hope things start to turn around for ya!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7451120/an/0/page/1
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akadjusters
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Re: Help the noob please PF Tek [Re: akadjusters]
#7454169 - 09/26/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, I wasn't trying to think 2 tiny shrooms per cake was good, Thanks for the help. I left some of the other cakes in jars 5-7 extra days, so maybe they'll be different. If I don't hear any objections, I'm going to roll them all now, dunk future ones closer to 24 hrs, and do 5-6 fae's a day. I have 7 cakes in a 10 gallon aquarium. You think co2 was a problem on 3 exchanges a day?
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Re: Help the noob please PF Tek [Re: akadjusters]
#7454396 - 09/26/07 03:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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doesnt the aquarium bubbler provide at least half of the FAE needed? wouldnt that and fanning 3 xs a day be enough ??
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Re: Help the noob please PF Tek [Re: rodfarva]
#7454544 - 09/26/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they look dry, it seems likely that you don't have the humidity that you wish to have. If things do not get better, place the cake directly on the perlite. It will rehydrate and should get a lot healthier, if this is your problem.
In any case your problems are almost certainly related to environment variables. If the humidity was as high as claimed the cake would probably get extremely fluffy or "add bulk" which generally means you're a bit too far up the humidity scale.
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Re: Help the noob please PF Tek [Re: yepyepyep]
#7454594 - 09/26/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wait at least one full week after colonization before birthing. Dunk 24 hours, not 12. Get rid of the light bulb 'heat', and make sure you have a period of darkness. 12/12 works fine. Make sure the sunlight is not direct or it will dry out your cakes. The size of the mushrooms is related to moisture content, so your cakes are too dry. You can pile up some verm on the top of the cake, and then pour water into that during the flush. This will serve as a moisture reservoir. RR
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