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Tolerance, how much more should I take?
    #7452510 - 09/25/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I just recently experienced my first shroom trip. I had previously tried shrooms three different occasions before anything more than a body high occured. First dose was 1.7g, second 2.2g, third 2.0g(chocolate), and the fourth time I took a a tad over a 1/8th...

I was definitely glad that i finally had some visuals, experienced some interesting thoughts, along with a lot of other interesting shit. I feel as if that was just an introduction for me though...

What im getting to is...compared to most of my friends, i have to take much more than them to really experience something. And there stomaches bother them quite a bit at first. Even with fasting all day, my stomache didn't bother me one bit when i ate the 1/8th. I'm not that big of a guy, im about 5'10 and weigh 165Lb.

So does tolerance really vary that much from person to person?...Any suggestions on how much i should consume next time to take it up a notch?


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: openmind]
    #7452577 - 09/25/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Tolerance to the drug, maybe, but probably not.

Tolerance to the actual act of tripping, definitely more likely.


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7452600 - 09/25/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

some people are just different...though i admit you are probably on the far end of the spectrum...3.5 to just feel something is pretty odd, but could happen..


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7452671 - 09/25/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, individual tolerance varies from person to person-- you seem quite  a bit above the average, which is too bad, since you have to spend more $ on shrooms to get a good trip :wink:

Seriously though, I think you have answered your own question-- you have been steadily upping your dose, (smart and commendable) and have a good idea where it's leading you based on your experience.
Just bump it up a half-gram (or more to your courage/liking) until you feel like you're getting what you want from the experience...

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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: coAsTal]
    #7452741 - 09/25/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

brain chemistry is everything in this regard, especially if you're on any prescriptions but even if you're not, it is certainly possible...


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7452750 - 09/25/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

YEAH!

i totally forgot to ask.

are you taking any medications?..any Rx SSRI's?

that could be why it takes so much for you..


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7452828 - 09/25/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

1/8 is a low dose to really see visuals. 5 grams and up things start to get interesting. But better to do an 1/8 and burn one and go from there.


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: thedoc8]
    #7452887 - 09/25/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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thedoc8 said:
1/8 is a low dose to really see visuals. 5 grams and up things start to get interesting.



:rolleyes:

Don't give irresponsible advice man-- if you cared to be realistic, or knew what you're talking about, you'd know that 1/8th is far-and-wide considered a moderately strong/standard/solid shroom dose, all things being equal.
You most certainly get quite noticeable and consuming visuals with  an eighth (~3.5 grams)

5 grams + (for normal people) are seriously strong trips for most, and shouldn't be taken as unseriously as you seem to think--


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: openmind]
    #7452946 - 09/25/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

things that could be affecting your trip are:

You are taking an SSRI (seratonin reuptake inhibitor) (antidepressants)
You have an abnormally high tolerance to psilocybin
You do LSD the night before you do mushrooms and there is a cross tolerance
You have mushrooms that aren't as potent as they could be

But yes, 5 grams is a very strong trip given you have strong or even average potency mushrooms. I hope you dont go giving advice like that out to people.


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7452958 - 09/25/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I started using LSD at the age of 16. By the age of 18 I started using really high doses and got really into it, and in a very serious way.
Then I tried shrooms. 1.5 grams simply amazed me.
Me and my trip buddy both trip alone these days for a few reasons.
We both can say for sure that people who dont have any psychedelic experience beyond a few mushroom trips cant feel it like we can(due to what lsd has done to us).
So thats one thing that makes you different than some of the people here.

We also notice a very obvious trend when it comes who those who need a whole hell of alot to even see visuals, or feel anything other than a body high.

This is just an honest observation so dont anyone get pissed off:

- Some of them are hipsters at heart that will down any drug you hand them. Sometimes they have a history of getting high off of anything they can find. *some*
- They are NEVER the artistic type(in my experience).
- They are not very articulate. (language is an art)
- they are not really passionate about anything.(have no inspired capacity to speak)(hide themselves away in the "im normal I swear" box).
- Some of them may be smart but they lack in certain types of awareness. They have bad judgement in some situations, act the fool. (some of the smartest people I know are actually all the above, and they are still just ridiculous people)
- They have fucked up expectations of what these drugs do and dont realize that how you react depends almost entirely on your personality and thus, how you brain has learned to work over time.
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This is a very loose observation. You dont have to meet all the criteria.
This really is just an observation myself and others have made about all the people we have ever known who needed a shit ton to even see visuals.
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Everyone I know that is just a real interesting and articulate character trips balls on anything over 1.5 grams at most.
That doesnt mean they dont like to take high doses.
Some people really do just see it more easily than others.
That doesnt make you better or worse. That just means your mind doesnt accept the mindset as easily.
It doesnt necessarily mean you even have to have any of the traits I mentioned above.

I can partially blame my automatic and lifelong sensitivity on lsd, and the fact that I learned to speak far earlier than most people. Was a visual artist at the age of four.
I had all sorts of passions since I was 6 years old. As a 6-10 year old this involved: egypt, jungles, eagles, bugs, drawing, and even sports. The kids on the soccer feild used to make fun of me for collecting bugs behind the sidelines. <----- Metaphore or not...I didnt mean for that to be a metaphore.

For those who have a sense of interconnectedness due to overstimulation for years, will probably experience these drugs in a more complex way.
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Its really hard to explain.
If you look up "lizard brain" on this site you might find it.
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Infact none of this is supposed to be insulting.
Some people dont mix as well with psychedelics because they just cant. Its not their fault.


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7452974 - 09/25/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Cubensis potency is not as predictable as many say.

A few months ago my friends and I came upon an ounce of P. cubensis. I started in on the pile by tripping on an 1/8 and found the experience to be much milder, but also much more mellow, than my average shroom trip, even though they were cubies. The visuals were slight and overall I would describe it as more of an intense high than a real trip. I upped the dosage to 7g a few nights later and proceeded to have one of of the best and most lucid trips of my life. But going back to 3.5g of SF black market material a month later yielded the kind of 1/8 trip I was more familiar with: emotionally and rationally disarming. Overwhelming.

I'm starting to ramble here, but my point is that while 3.5 of SOME cubies can cause an incredibly intense, even overwhelming psychedelic trip, not all cubies are made alike, and there will always be more than negligible variation in alkaloid concentration.

My advice to the original poster is to increase your dosages but use caution. Basically, continue to up your dosages in the same steady, careful way you have done so far - you're on the right track. If you should happen upon mushrooms from a different source, be cautious in testing their potency.


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Re: Tolerance, how much more should I take? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7464462 - 09/28/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Cubensis potency is not as predictable as many say.


My advice to the original poster is to increase your dosages but use caution. Basically, continue to up your dosages in the same steady, careful way you have done so far - you're on the right track. If you should happen upon mushrooms from a different source, be cautious in testing their potency.




Thanks for all your input guys....I do plan on upping the dose a 1/2g up to 4g next time, and going up 1/2g until I feel I have reached what I'm looking for. And my source is pretty consistent now so I am comfortable knowing that potency shouldn't vary to much. Several of you asked if i was taking anti-depressants. I was for a short time, but stooped taking them a while back. I kinda guessed that they would interact in one way or another. But it has been well over a month since i last took them.

And as far as stomach discomfort. Just wondering, how many people get it? A lot of friends of mine go through about a 1/2 hour of discomfort, then come close to vomiting. Sometimes they do. My stomach feels normal the whole time...

Thanks again...


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