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What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript)
#7451969 - 09/25/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/09/ahmadinejad-at-columbia-university-full.html
some good quotes in here... far cries from the "OMFG he doesnt believe in homos, wtf!" hysteria being pushed by the media.
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Realities of the world are not limited to physical realities. And the material is just a shadow of supreme realities, and physical creation is just one of the stories of the creation of the world. Human being is just an example of the creation that is a combination of the material and the spirit. And another important point is the relationship of science and purity of spirit, life, behavior and ethics of the human being. In the teachings of the divine prophet, one reality shall always be attached to science. The reality of purity of spirit and good behavior, knowledge and wisdom is pure and clear reality. It is -- science is a light. It is a discovery of reality, and only a pure scholar and researcher, free from wrong ideologies, superstitions, selfishness and material trappings, can discover the reality.
umm.. wow!? I can't imagine bush being able to read something like that, let alone speak or even comprehend it.
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I believe the Holocaust, from what we read, happened during World War II after 1930 in the 1940s.
orly? another small detail the media likes to overlook. 99.9% of the time, he is referred to as a Holocaust Denier.
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We love all nations. We are friends with the Jewish people. There are many Jews in Iran living peacefully with security. You must understand that in our constitution, in our laws, in the parliamentary elections, for every 150,000 people we get one representative in the parliament. For the Jewish community, one-fifth of this number they still get one independent representative in the parliament. So our proposal to the Palestinian plight is a humanitarian and democratic proposal.
hmm.. wants to kill all jews?
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MR. COATSWORTH: Mr. President, I think many members of our audience would be -- would like to hear a clearer answer to that question, that is -- (interrupted by cheers, applause). The question is: Do you or your government seek the destruction of the state of Israel as a Jewish state? And I think you could answer that question with a single word, either yes or no. (Cheers, applause.) PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: And then you want the answer the way you want to hear it. Well, this isn't really a free flow of information. I'm just telling you where I -- what my position is. (Applause.) I'm asking you, is the Palestinian issue not an international issue of prominence or not? Please tell me, yes or no. (Laughter, applause.)
well done sir, well done.
and about the homosexual comment... it's pretty much what he said... they don't have homosexuals in Iran "like in America." Shame that comment alone seems to have discredited his entire speech.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
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No homosexuals in Iran? What, do they have a vaccine or something?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: El Zorro]
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No, they have death sentences...
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#7452088 - 09/25/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've given better speeches in the 3rd grade.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
#7452112 - 09/25/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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kotik said: hmm.. wants to kill all jews?
I'm sure that he "doesn't mean it" when his government gives money and weapons to Hamas which it then uses to kill innocent Israeli civilians.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
#7452202 - 09/25/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're so gullible.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7452274 - 09/25/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rabbis Say Iran Seeks Peace, Respects Judaism - Calls for True Dialogue With Ahmadinejad
NEW YORK, Sept. 24 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spokesman of Neturei Karta International, issued the following statement on the eve of the group's meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"It is always our pleasure to visit with President Ahmadinejad. This will be the third such meeting, in addition to our many visits to Iran in the past. We have each time emphasized to the Iranian leadership that, despite media hysteria and the statements of some misinformed Jews, we have found the Iranian people and their leaders to be friendly and respectful.
"Likewise, although we as Jews are not to be involved in politics, (According to Jewish law, Jewish people are required to be loyal citizens to the countries wherein they reside), We have found the Iranian President to be a deeply religious man, dedicated to a peaceful world, based on mutual respect, fairness and dialogue. "Judaism seeks peace. Unfortunately, there are some Jews today, influenced by the barely century old, philosophy of Zionism, who feel that the proper Jewish response to enemies, be they real or fantasized, is aggression and calls for violence and unfortunately attempts to drag other nations down the path of war.
"It is sad that so few have actually attempted to speak to the Iranian President or seek the true opinion of Iranian Jewry who live in peace and practice their faith throughout that nation. We have met this man who has demonstrated time and again that he is sincerely interested in the well being of Iran's Jewish community and has deep respect for world Jewry and their Torah faith, The Zionist attempt to socially isolate this man and his people is immoral and disastrous.
"Zionism is antithetical to Torah beliefs. It believes in creating our own sovereign entity which is expressly forbidden due to the Divine decree of exile. This ideology leads to aggression against nations and is incarnated in the State of 'Israel.' This State continually oppresses other people in the name of Judaism and the entire Jewish people. This movement has exacerbated anti Semitism throughout the world. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad understands this distinction between traditional Judaism and Zionist distortion.
"We view our approach to Iran as a model for all Jews and all mankind. The Torah is the Almighty's blueprint of mercy and justice for all creation. We have followed this modal in our dealings with the Iranian President and found in him an individual dedicated to these same ideals. There is much to be gained by talking and listening and everything to be lost by raising the rhetoric in the direction of war. The grave tragedy of our era is the inordinate power garnered by Zionism, whose acceptance of force as the only means to reconcile conflicts, has influenced some to abandon Torah fundamentals. We hope and pray that they too will adopt the traditional Jewish approach of dialogue, respect and reconciliation.
"War is a horrible thing. The dark clouds of a future conflict are now on the horizon in the Middle East. Torah Jewry hopes and prays that this may yet be averted." In conclusion says rabbi Weiss, "Out of great respect to the Iranian Nation and their leadership we proudly welcome the Honorable President Ahmadinejad to New York, WELCOME!"
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Luddite]
#7452280 - 09/25/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whether it was an act or not, that man said some brilliant things.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7452287 - 09/25/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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kotik said: hmm.. wants to kill all jews?
I'm sure that he "doesn't mean it" when his government gives money and weapons to Hamas which it then uses to kill innocent Israeli civilians.
and I'm sure we "didn't mean it" when our government gave money and weapons to Al Qaeda. Right?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
#7452304 - 09/25/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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there's a sucker born every minute.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: wilshire]
#7452409 - 09/25/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can't act intelligence and truth, you either have it or you don't. The bandwagon of Ahmadinejad haters inside and outside of media and politics is being played just like they were regarding Iraq. It's frightening how little has been learned.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7452744 - 09/25/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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What I find hilarious is that the university's professor tried covering his ass by putting Ahmadinejad's feet to the fire.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Basilides]
#7452762 - 09/25/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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on a somewhat related note, its amazing there was such a big issue with him visiting the site of the 9/11 attacks.
The media is doing a great job of subliminally connecting iran with 9/11 now! jesus...
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
#7452915 - 09/25/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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From http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1033854
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Brainpower short-circuits
By Michael Graham Tuesday, September 25, 2007
There isn’t a barber college or trucking school that would let a Jew-hating nut like Iran’s Whack-I-Job rant away on their campus. If you’re Adolf Hitler’s agent and you’re trying to book a speaking gig, who do you call: Columbia University or the Carolina School of Straight Chiropractic?
If you’re looking for a student to slap on a circuit board and Silly Putty and head for the airport, do you ask a drunk coed from the community college or dial MIT?
If you want something done that’s really, really stupid, you need to find someone who is really, really smart. Or thinks they are, anyway.
I had this epiphany reading reviews of the newest exhibition at the Boston Center for the Arts. Entitled “Work Number 227: The Lights Going On and Off,” artist Martin Creed’s (for lack of a better term) “work” consists entirely of an empty gallery where the overhead lighting is turned on and off at five-second intervals.
Who is dumb enough to pay good money for that? Why smart people, of course.
There isn’t a self-respecting junior-high art teacher in Massachusetts who’d let a student pull this scam. But the Hub’s connoisseurs of haute couture have forked over big bucks for the artistic equivalent of “The Clapper” ($19.95 plus shipping and handling). And they’re proud of it.
Members of the MIT faculty are on record praising the faulty light socket show at the Mills Gallery. This might help explain why one of their own, Star Simpson, got her brilliant idea to strap on a circuit board and make some “art” at Logan Airport.
How dumb do you have to be to wear your “Play-Doh and battery pack” art in a high-security area? Or should I ask “how smart?” Because there isn’t an illiterate redneck in West Virginia who would try the stunt pulled by MIT’s super-Star.
Try giving Gomer and Goober a fistful of clay and wires and pointing them at airport security. They’ll be back in Alabama the next morning, shooting beer cans off each others’ heads and laughing about how dumb them Yankees are.
And speaking of dumb Yankees.
Watching a crowd at Columbia University cheering Iranian President Mahmoud AhmadWhack-I-Job yesterday was nauseating. How did a two-bit anti-Semitic loon get the prestige and platform of an invitation to an elite, Ivy League institution?
But that’s the point. It takes Ivy League hubris to make such a shameful mistake. Nobody else would.
The SEC, the ACC - why, there isn’t a barber college or school of over-the-road trucking that would let a Jew-hating nut like President Whack-I-Job rant away on their campus. Your typical American university might offer credit in basket weaving and Science of Star Wars, but they do have their limits.
Not Columbia. “If Adolf Hitler were willing to engage in a debate and a discussion, to be challenged by Columbia students and faculty, we would certainly invite him,” bragged John Coatsworth, dean of the School of International and Public Affairs.
Adolf Hitler. Now there’s a commencement speaker the graduates will remember.
Seriously, is there any organization other than the Ivy League where you could hear the phrase “Let’s invite Hitler!” without immediately hearing “Dude, what have you been smoking?” Members of the Aryan Nation, huddled around their shortwaves in Idaho survivalist camps, are listening to the coverage from Columbia U and saying “What are they - nuts?”
Today, right now, soldiers and Marines who are not allowed to participate in ROTC on Columbia’s campus are being attacked with weapons from Iran. How many Americans do you have to kill before you’re no longer welcome among Ivy League elitists?
More, says Columbia University. More.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: wilshire]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
#7453087 - 09/25/07 07:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Today, right now, soldiers and Marines who are not allowed to participate in ROTC on Columbia’s campus are being attacked with weapons from Iran. How many Americans do you have to kill before you’re no longer welcome among Ivy League elitists?
and right now, americans are being attacked with weapons originally from america. what's the point?
also, that image was humorous. I've seen a similar one with bush talking to a redneck.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7453131 - 09/25/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great article. It's thesis is very concise. Why try to understand other people & parts of the world when you can just bomb them instead?
Actually, the thesis is that only an "intellectual" would be dumb enough to pull off some of the truly idiotic things they do. Normal people just aren't that stupid.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
#7453154 - 09/25/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Huh? Ahmadinejad has never called for terror measures against Zionism. His call for investigation into the root causes of 911 implies nothing other than the same thing that Ron Paul claims, which is that the US provoked 911. I don't think anyone anywhere will debate that Bush is a warmongerer. So what's the real point of that comic?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
#7453176 - 09/25/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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That article also seems pretty incredible, as it is a diatribe of ad hominens, and it also states that Iranian weapons are killing US soldiers, which is as proven and explained as the calims that it's known where Saddam's WMD's are - which happens to come from the same people and be repeated and used for a similar purpose.
Your gullability is deep if you're going to be taken for that ride again. And actually, your gullability is deep if you were even fooled the firt time around.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
#7453190 - 09/25/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great article. It's thesis is very concise. Why try to understand other people & parts of the world when you can just bomb them instead?
Actually, the thesis is that only an "intellectual" would be dumb enough to pull off some of the truly idiotic things they do. Normal people just aren't that stupid.
Phred
what a twisted little view of the world. also completely ridiculous if not downright laughable. you find an article able to point out a couple instances of ""intellectuals"" doing dumb shit and that's supposed to prove anything? please. normal people never ever do things this stupid right? isn't that the "thesis"? haha! you must not get out much phred.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7453226 - 09/25/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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It must be written by people who teach their kids to ignore talking their issues through and just beat the shit out of each other. It's also must be written by people who brainwash their kids with propaganda about Saddam's WMD's and Iran's gov't supplying weapons to Iraq.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7453339 - 09/25/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Disco Cat writes:
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That article also seems pretty incredible, as it is a diatribe of ad hominens, and it also states that Iranian weapons are killing US soldiers...
That is factual. It has been widely reported for well over a year now. Military commanders were reporting it even before the MSM picked up on it. Captured Iranian-made IEDs, mortar shells and other weapons have been displayed to the press on numerous occasions, and the military has reported on it to Congressional committees.
Not my fault you don't keep up with things.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
#7453395 - 09/25/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Phred said: That is factual. It has been widely reported for well over a year now. Military commanders were reporting it even before the MSM picked up on it. Captured Iranian-made IEDs, mortar shells and other weapons have been displayed to the press on numerous occasions, and the military has reported on it to Congressional committees.
Not my fault you don't keep up with things.
Phred
Donald Rumsfeld might have been the first to state that Iranian weapons are entering Iraq, in 2003. The length with which it has been reported does not make it more credible. There is no proof that ties these things to Iran's gov't, at least no proof to anyone who isn't a military commander or Bush aid. Whether these weapons are coming from Iran at all is not a claim I will trust as long as it's coming from the usual suspects, altho I will not disbelieve it either, I call it unproven, and when pedelled as fact I call it propaganda. And I don't know, but if you do please inform me: how do you tell where and who a weapon comes from based on its shell, or anything else? How did these pictures (for the record I have not seen them) prove that these weapons were coming from Iran, and why couldn't they be made elsewhere?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: StrandedVoyager]
#7454684 - 09/26/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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StrandedVoyager said: Whether it was an act or not, that man said some brilliant things.
They should have asked him about what they do to people who convert from ISLAM to another religion in Iran.
I'll give you a hint
K_LL THEM
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: BrAiN]
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i believe under sharia its called dhimmitude, and a tax is paid to the islamic caliphate, zakat tax i think its called.
The iranians have the highest population of jews in the mid-east, funny enough i think all of them deny the existence of israel and likewise the holocaust.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
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There is no proof that ties these things to Iran's gov't, at least no proof to anyone who isn't a military commander or Bush aid.
Spoken by somebody that assumes Iran's government is a single entity, such as western governments, rather than a conglomeration of various "groups" each with their own agenda.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
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There is no proof that ties these things to Iran's gov't, at least no proof to anyone who isn't a military commander or Bush aid.
Spoken by somebody that assumes Iran's government is a single entity, such as western governments, rather than a conglomeration of various "groups" each with their own agenda.
Its a republic so most agencies can run autonomous from each other but are still under the rule of the council of ayatollahs.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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isn't the united states a conglomeration of various groups each with their own agenda?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Phred]
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Brainpower short-circuits By Michael Graham Tuesday, September 25, 2007
There isn’t a barber college or trucking school that would let a Jew-hating nut like Iran’s Whack-I-Job rant away on their campus. If you’re Adolf Hitler’s agent and you’re trying to book a speaking gig, who do you call: Columbia University or the Carolina School of Straight Chiropractic?
If Iran's president is such a whack-job, than there is no harm in offerring him a chance to speak. I think America is a fantastic place because even the idiots are allowed to speak here. It is ironically Hitler-like to assert that the Iran's voice should be silenced when we have an opportunity to let the president present his views to us in a non-violent manner.
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If you’re looking for a student to slap on a circuit board and Silly Putty and head for the airport, do you ask a drunk coed from the community college or dial MIT?
What a fantastic example of a raving lunatic asking us to dumb ourselves down. Yes, America, get drunk and go to community college. Be average, and never challenge anyone. Let's disregard the fact that MIT has cranked out nobel-prize winning physicists on a yearly basis for decades. Lets ignore the fact that people come from every corner of the globe to study there. Let's totally ignore all the good that has come out of MIT. Why? Because I picked up my copy of USA today last week and it had a story about a 19 year old causing a fashion-induced ruckus at the airport. I don't read about "science" or "technology" because I don't understand or care about those things. I do care about sensationalist media and blogging, so I am going to come to the conclusion that MIT as an institution is entirely bogus.
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If you want something done that’s really, really stupid, you need to find someone who is really, really smart. Or thinks they are, anyway.
In the case of this article you only need to find someone who is really stupid, uninformed, prone to generalization, thinks they are smart, and is into blogging.
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I had this epiphany reading reviews of the newest exhibition at the Boston Center for the Arts. Entitled “Work Number 227: The Lights Going On and Off,” artist Martin Creed’s (for lack of a better term) “work” consists entirely of an empty gallery where the overhead lighting is turned on and off at five-second intervals.
Who is dumb enough to pay good money for that? Why smart people, of course.
There isn’t a self-respecting junior-high art teacher in Massachusetts who’d let a student pull this scam. But the Hub’s connoisseurs of haute couture have forked over big bucks for the artistic equivalent of “The Clapper” ($19.95 plus shipping and handling). And they’re proud of it.
Oh my god you mean to say that someone produced a work of art that you don't like? Heaven forbid. Never in the history of the world has this happened. It would be a shame if I found out that people were paying good money for bad, sophomoric bullshit that gets labelled as "art" in my town...like if someone actually shelled out $35 to go see John Mayer who is playing here this weekend...Were that to happen I would have to come to the conclusion that everyone who lives in my town likes John Mayer and, therefore, Jessica Simpson and, therefore, Ashlee Simpson and, therefore, everyone in my town condones lip-syncing over live performance.
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Members of the MIT faculty are on record praising the faulty light socket show at the Mills Gallery. This might help explain why one of their own, Star Simpson, got her brilliant idea to strap on a circuit board and make some “art” at Logan Airport.
Brilliant connection there. I am sure she was inspired by the light bulb and not by internal factors.
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How dumb do you have to be to wear your “Play-Doh and battery pack” art in a high-security area? Or should I ask “how smart?” Because there isn’t an illiterate redneck in West Virginia who would try the stunt pulled by MIT’s super-Star.
He's not even making a valid point here.
It's clear this guy just spends all of his time purusing sensationalist media and has never read or experienced anything of real substance. How else would you come to the conclusion that Ivy league schools main export is controversy, and that "illiterate rednecks" in West Virginia never do anything stupid? I know several West Virginians who would take offense to the suggestion that: A) Illiteracy is common with them B) They aren't able to do anything stupid C) They exist on some sort of other plane than Ivy League students.
The writer of this article is an elitist who hates elitism. No wonder his writing is both prententious and dumbed-down.
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“If Adolf Hitler were willing to engage in a debate and a discussion, to be challenged by Columbia students and faculty, we would certainly invite him,” bragged John Coatsworth, dean of the School of International and Public Affairs.
Adolf Hitler. Now there’s a commencement speaker the graduates will remember.
Is it so hard to understand that just because you invite someone to speak at your school it doesn't mean you support their views?
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Today, right now, soldiers and Marines who are not allowed to participate in ROTC on Columbia’s campus are being attacked with weapons from Iran. How many Americans do you have to kill before you’re no longer welcome among Ivy League elitists?
More, says Columbia University. More.
That last "more" is my favorite part of the article.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
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kotik said: isn't the united states a conglomeration of various groups each with their own agenda?
Very similar to Iran, US has a supreme court and they have a council of ayatollahs. I find both of their interpretations of waging proxy wars via other militancies in advance of their own agendas similar as well. Both of course are of the Sartre like style of spreading revolution, which everyone knows a populist revolution always becomes autocratic over time.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: gluke bastid]
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Brainpower short-circuits By Michael Graham Tuesday, September 25, 2007
There isn’t a barber college or trucking school that would let a Jew-hating nut like Iran’s Whack-I-Job rant away on their campus. If you’re Adolf Hitler’s agent and you’re trying to book a speaking gig, who do you call: Columbia University or the Carolina School of Straight Chiropractic?
If Iran's president is such a whack-job, than there is no harm in offering him a chance to speak. I think America is a fantastic place because even the idiots are allowed to speak here. It is ironically Hitler-like to assert that the Iran's voice should be silenced when we have an opportunity to let the president present his views to us in a non-violent manner.
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If you’re looking for a student to slap on a circuit board and Silly Putty and head for the airport, do you ask a drunk coed from the community college or dial MIT?
What a fantastic example of a raving lunatic asking us to dumb ourselves down. Yes, America, get drunk and go to community college. Be average, and never challenge anyone. Let's disregard the fact that MIT has cranked out nobel-prize winning physicists on a yearly basis for decades. Lets ignore the fact that people come from every corner of the globe to study there. Let's totally ignore all the good that has come out of MIT. Why? Because I picked up my copy of USA today last week and it had a story about a 19 year old causing a fashion-induced ruckus at the airport. I don't read about "science" or "technology" because I don't understand or care about those things. I do care about sensationalist media and blogging, so I am going to come to the conclusion that MIT as an institution is entirely bogus.
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If you want something done that’s really, really stupid, you need to find someone who is really, really smart. Or thinks they are, anyway.
In the case of this article you only need to find someone who is really stupid, uninformed, prone to generalization, thinks they are smart, and is into blogging.
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I had this epiphany reading reviews of the newest exhibition at the Boston Center for the Arts. Entitled “Work Number 227: The Lights Going On and Off,” artist Martin Creed’s (for lack of a better term) “work” consists entirely of an empty gallery where the overhead lighting is turned on and off at five-second intervals.
Who is dumb enough to pay good money for that? Why smart people, of course.
There isn’t a self-respecting junior-high art teacher in Massachusetts who’d let a student pull this scam. But the Hub’s connoisseurs of haute couture have forked over big bucks for the artistic equivalent of “The Clapper” ($19.95 plus shipping and handling). And they’re proud of it.
Oh my god you mean to say that someone produced a work of art that you don't like? Heaven forbid. Never in the history of the world has this happened. It would be a shame if I found out that people were paying good money for bad, sophomoric bullshit that gets labelled as "art" in my town...like if someone actually shelled out $35 to go see John Mayer who is playing here this weekend...Were that to happen I would have to come to the conclusion that everyone who lives in my town likes John Mayer and, therefore, Jessica Simpson and, therefore, Ashlee Simpson and, therefore, everyone in my town condones lip-syncing over live performance.
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Members of the MIT faculty are on record praising the faulty light socket show at the Mills Gallery. This might help explain why one of their own, Star Simpson, got her brilliant idea to strap on a circuit board and make some “art” at Logan Airport.
Brilliant connection there. I am sure she was inspired by the light bulb and not by internal factors.
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How dumb do you have to be to wear your “Play-Doh and battery pack” art in a high-security area? Or should I ask “how smart?” Because there isn’t an illiterate redneck in West Virginia who would try the stunt pulled by MIT’s super-Star.
He's not even making a valid point here.
It's clear this guy just spends all of his time purusing sensationalist media and has never read or experienced anything of real substance. How else would you come to the conclusion that Ivy league schools main export is controversy, and that "illiterate rednecks" in West Virginia never do anything stupid? I know several West Virginians who would take offense to the suggestion that: A) Illiteracy is common with them B) They aren't able to do anything stupid C) They exist on some sort of other plane than Ivy League students.
The writer of this article is an elitist who hates elitism. No wonder his writing is both prententious and dumbed-down.
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“If Adolf Hitler were willing to engage in a debate and a discussion, to be challenged by Columbia students and faculty, we would certainly invite him,” bragged John Coatsworth, dean of the School of International and Public Affairs.
Adolf Hitler. Now there’s a commencement speaker the graduates will remember.
Is it so hard to understand that just because you invite someone to speak at your school it doesn't mean you support their views?
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Today, right now, soldiers and Marines who are not allowed to participate in ROTC on Columbia’s campus are being attacked with weapons from Iran. How many Americans do you have to kill before you’re no longer welcome among Ivy League elitists?
More, says Columbia University. More.
That last "more" is my favorite part of the article.
couldn't have said it better myself. that persons general attitude is a little scary imo.
only 'intellectuals' do dumb controversial things? how about the two hicks who drove back and forth in front of a jena rally with two nooses hanging from the back of their pick up truck. link
i wonder if they weren't surprised when they were arrested for taunting a giant group of black people with lynching and death. two good old boys arrested doing something controversial that almost everyone in the country would know is inappropriate. if i wanted to waste my time i could most likely very easily find a couple more articles just like this. upon doing so that loons theory would pretty much be dead in the water. i'm not going to waste my time finding links though, because most normal americans are aware of how silly it is in the first place.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Seuss]
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There is no proof that ties these things to Iran's gov't, at least no proof to anyone who isn't a military commander or Bush aid.
Spoken by somebody that assumes Iran's government is a single entity, such as western governments, rather than a conglomeration of various "groups" each with their own agenda.
Very well... So what is the proof?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7456671 - 09/26/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: This accusation (of Iran arming insurgents in Iraq) is being made around the clock by the neo-cons in the Bush administration & its controlled mouthpieces (right-wing talk radio & Fox News, primarily)...
That's exactly my point, and why I said it's as valid as the claim that it's known where Hussein's weapons are - which by the way was pushed with even more ferver than this Iranian weapons claim.
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but what nobody seems to be asking is: So what if they are? I don't know if they (Iran) are (arming Iraqi insurgents), & I also don't care. The neo-con fascists beating the drums for war against Iran make that accusation all the time, but never bother elaborating upon how it's relevant. They must just assume all they have to do is state the accusation over and over again and count on the fact that their viewers/listeners have been programmed to believe this is a justified reason to conduct U.S. military aggression against Iran (& they're probably right).
The people of Iraq have every right under the sun to take up arms & struggle against the foreign occupation of their homeland. If another entity (in this case, Iran) offers them help in doing this, & the Iraqi insurgents voluntarily accept their assistance, then I don't know where the problem in this is. Did not the U.S. colonialists accept French military aid in throwing out what they saw as an occupying army where they lived? They only way this accusation (even if it can be proven true) could logically angry U.S. citizens is if they believed Iraq is a U.S. colony. Hmmm...
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
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That's exactly my point, and why I said it's as valid as the claim that it's known where Hussein's weapons are - which by the way was pushed with even more ferver than this Iranian weapons claim.
i know a guy in iraq who says there definitely were wmd's in iraq. he says some were moved out of the country and some were hidden very well, and that when some of them were found it wasn't reported much at all because it was a few years too late. he's pretty anti-war btw and thinks the iraq war will never be won because it's a 2000 year old religious war going on over there. it's pretty disheartening to hear him say the only way iraq ever has a chance for democracy is if everyone over eight years old was executed.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
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kotik said: http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/09/ahmadinejad-at-columbia-university-full.html
some good quotes in here... far cries from the "OMFG he doesnt believe in homos, wtf!" hysteria being pushed by the media.
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Realities of the world are not limited to physical realities. And the material is just a shadow of supreme realities, and physical creation is just one of the stories of the creation of the world. Human being is just an example of the creation that is a combination of the material and the spirit. And another important point is the relationship of science and purity of spirit, life, behavior and ethics of the human being. In the teachings of the divine prophet, one reality shall always be attached to science. The reality of purity of spirit and good behavior, knowledge and wisdom is pure and clear reality. It is -- science is a light. It is a discovery of reality, and only a pure scholar and researcher, free from wrong ideologies, superstitions, selfishness and material trappings, can discover the reality.
umm.. wow!? I can't imagine bush being able to read something like that, let alone speak or even comprehend it.
I can't believe either you or anyone else finds this gibberish to be clever or revelatory. His "right" ideology is the "divine" teachings of Mohammed. All others are wrong. Talk about monkeys jumping through hoops....
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Secularism, lynching fags....It doesn't matter, He hates Bush so he must be a super genius great guy!
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: lonestar2004]
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A little more follow up on the homo issue:
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An Iranian-American journalist asked him to clarify his extraordinary claim on Monday that there were no gay people in Iran, pointing out, "I know a few myself."
"Seriously? I don't know any," the president replied, in apparent surprise. "Give me some addresses so we're able to go to visit them and learn about them."
Given that sodomy is a crime punishable by death in Iran, it was a particular chilling offer. http://www.guardian.co.uk/julianborger/story/0,,2177545,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
There are a couple of people here who are just so utterly at odds with reality you have to wonder how they can get out of bed and tie their own shoes.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
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i understand that you dont like the author of that articles attitude, but come on:
I had this epiphany reading reviews of the newest exhibition at the Boston Center for the Arts. Entitled “Work Number 227: The Lights Going On and Off,” artist Martin Creed’s (for lack of a better term) “work” consists entirely of an empty gallery where the overhead lighting is turned on and off at five-second intervals.
Who is dumb enough to pay good money for that? Why smart people, of course.
>>Oh my god you mean to say that someone produced a work of art that you don't like?
i think the point is that theres art and theres "art" ... do you honestly think that lights going on and off every 5 seconds should be put in the same category as the mona lisa? didnt someone sell a blank canvas as "art" for alot of money once? theres a big difference between art that people dont like, and a blank canvas, or a very slow strobe light.....would you pay money for an "artistic" blank canvas? would you pay to enter a room just because the lights go on and off? regular people like to see that art has thought and purpose and hard work behind it....i understand that your trying to give MIT a fair shake, but they sure do like some weird and seemingly pointless things, science aside
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Zap talks about reality? Ironic, to say the least. Reality for you is being habitually wrong and peppering your posts with taunts minus wit.
And when it comes to news, your source and research is as bad as your insults. Thanks for the link to the suggestively negative, melodramatic reporter, with the mistranslation of Ahmadinejad's words. Great find, detective, it's really important to hear the facts such as which offers were "chilling," and which statement was the "most spookily of all."
I also like how the article, from title to conclusion, doesn't actually have anything to do with the UN conference at all, but conjectures that while Ahmadinejad isn't a real dictator or tyrant, he "seems to enjoy playing the part."
Can you smell the slant? Zap can't.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
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i certainly smell something
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
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Disco Cat said: Zap talks about reality? Ironic, to say the least. Reality for you is being habitually wrong and peppering your posts with taunts minus wit.
And when it comes to news, your source and research is as bad as your insults. Thanks for the link to the suggestively negative, melodramatic reporter, with the mistranslation of Ahmadinejad's words. Great find, detective, it's really important to hear the facts such as which offers were "chilling," and which statement was the "most spookily of all."
It's from the lefty anti-America darling the Guardian. I thought you'd like it. Do you have any reason to believe he misquoted Ahmadickfor? I don't and it speaks for itself. But you were too busy clarifying and spinning for the thug. When are you two hooking up?Quote:
I also like how the article, from title to conclusion, doesn't actually have anything to do with the UN conference at all, but conjectures that while Ahmadinejad isn't a real dictator or tyrant, he "seems to enjoy playing the part."
Can you smell the slant? Zap can't.
Ummmm, you do realize he actually is a puppet of the mullahs don't you? A real front man as opposed to Bush, who is variously described as a puppet of the Bilderberg Group, the Jewish Cabal, Halliburton, the Illuminati, etc. ad nauseum. Or do you actually believe the elections in Iran are bona fide? And no, it doesn't have anything to do with the UN conference, it has to do with his apologists and knee jerk anti-Americans on this site and elsewhere who spun for him like gyroscopes. Clearly he seems to be denying the existence of homos in his country. From todays NY Times:
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TEHRAN, Sept. 29 — When Reza, a 29-year-old Iranian, heard that his president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, had denied in New York that homosexuals were in Iran, he was shocked but not surprised. Reza knows the truth. He is gay.
Leaning back in his black leather desk chair at home in Tehran, he said there were, in fact, plenty of gay men and women in Iran. The difference between their lives and those of gays in Europe and North America is one of recognition and legitimacy.
“You can have a secret gay life as long you don’t become an activist and start demanding rights,” he said, speaking on the condition that his family name not be used because he feared retribution. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/world/middleeast/30gays.html?_r=1&ex=1348804800&en=e5c6ace9631741ff&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin
Why do you love this guy so much? He'd just as soon cut your tongue out as allow you to speak in his country.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
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An Iranian-American journalist asked him to clarify his extraordinary claim on Monday that there were no gay people in Iran, pointing out, "I know a few myself."
"Seriously? I don't know any," the president replied, in apparent surprise. "Give me some addresses so we're able to go to visit them and learn about them."
Given that sodomy is a crime punishable by death in Iran, it was a particular chilling offer.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: It's from the lefty anti-America darling the Guardian. I thought you'd like it. Do you have any reason to believe he misquoted Ahmadickfor? I don't and it speaks for itself. But you were too busy clarifying and spinning for the thug. When are you two hooking up?
I was too busy clarifying and spinning to what, to remain flauntingly ignorant? Curious that you phrased "clarifying" to be a negative thing. I guess I'm "shocked but not surprised."
Now if you were a little bit more aware, you might see that you do actually have reason to believe this article presented a misquote: It's an absurd comment made in a character attack piece by an open detractor who provided their own homemade translation of another spoken language.
In the working brain, these elements add up to a heavy suspicion regarding integrity. A working brain might also attempt to verify this phrase for itself, and would deffinitely refrain from propagating it, if it were too lazy or biased to go through that effort.
The translator actually spoke: "Seriously, I don't know of any. As for homosexuality, I don't know where. Give me an address so that we are also aware of what happens in Iran."
While this statement amounts to "where, elighten me?," emphasizing his belief that homosexuality is nowhere near as widespread as in the US, your article's piece has deviated quite a bit from the actual source, making up a section on visiting them to learn about them, adding a Gestapo flavour. This "reporter"'s cooked up line is of course made to connive others into accepting that Ahmadinejad is "chilling" and "spook(il)y," regardless of what may actually be - and as you can tell by kotik's quoting, the difference of the concoction is not escaping readers.
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The official word is that he doesn't deny an existence of homos in Iran. Your NY link offers nothing supporting the contrary.
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Why do you love this guy so much? He'd just as soon cut your tongue out as allow you to speak in his country.
Here's Google. Visit and use it, and learn about things before talking about them. That opinion of yours isn't grounded in reality. And if the declaration of the facts that I've presented is what you consider as "love," then that goes a long way in explaining your bent attitude.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: boomer q]
#7480042 - 10/03/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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boomer q said: i think the point is that theres art and theres "art" ... do you honestly think that lights going on and off every 5 seconds should be put in the same category as the mona lisa? didnt someone sell a blank canvas as "art" for alot of money once? theres a big difference between art that people dont like, and a blank canvas, or a very slow strobe light.....would you pay money for an "artistic" blank canvas? would you pay to enter a room just because the lights go on and off? regular people like to see that art has thought and purpose and hard work behind it....i understand that your trying to give MIT a fair shake, but they sure do like some weird and seemingly pointless things, science aside
You can make whatever definitions you want as to where art ends or begins or whatever. If you are comfortable judging art by how much someone would pay for it, or how much time it made to produce, I don't agree, but also won't try and tell you that you are wrong.
I stand by my assertion, however, that the writer of the article is an idiot of the highest degree. His disapproval of this piece of "art" or whatever you want to call it is one of three examples he uses in his article to condemn the entire Ivy League school system. This is weak, weak argument. The main reason he probably hates Ivy League schools is because he flunked out of one after getting back essay after essay with an enormous "F" right on the front of it.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7481347 - 10/03/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well that was an amusing link to the top of the page. Thanks so much. Do you deny repression of free speech in Iran?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7536426 - 10/19/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: There is no proof that ties these things to Iran's gov't, at least no proof to anyone who isn't a military commander or Bush aid. Whether these weapons are coming from Iran at all is not a claim I will trust as long as it's coming from the usual suspects, altho I will not disbelieve it either, I call it unproven, and when pedelled as fact I call it propaganda.
No evidence Iran arming Taliban: Afghan foreign minister
HERAT, Afghanistan (AFP) — Afghan Foreign Minister Rangeen Dadfar Spanta said Friday there was no evidence that Iran was supplying weapons to Taliban militants waging a violent insurgency.
Spanta's comments came after the top US commander in Afghanistan, General Dan McNeill, said Thursday a convoy of explosives intercepted last month had arrived from Iran and probably with the knowledge of the Iranian military.
"Our government has no evidence to show Iran is giving weapons to the Taliban and we have never stated this," Spanta told reporters after meeting with his Iranian counterpart Manouchehr Mottaki in the western city of Herat.
US and British officials have alleged for months that weapons from Iran are going to the Taliban rebels fighting Kabul and its international allies, the main one being Washington with which Tehran has a strained relationship.
Iran has denied the allegations and Afghanistan has also said it has no proof.
Asked about McNeill's statement, Mottaki said: "These are claims that they make. For us the motives behind these claims are clear."
He did not elaborate but suggested there were contacts, which he did not make clear, between "terrorist groups in Afghanistan" and "political circles and European capitals."
Iran was fully behind the reconstruction of post-Taliban Afghanistan, both ministers said.
McNeill, the head of the 40,000-strong NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, was referring Thursday to a convoy from Iran which was stopped on September 5 in western Afghanistan.
It contained "a number of advanced technology improvised explosive devices," he said.
"It is difficult for me to conceive that this convoy could have originated in Iran and come to Afghanistan without at least the knowledge of the Iran military," he said.
The Afghan and Iranian ministers met with their Pakistani counterpart Khurshid Kasuri in Herat ahead of a conference Saturday of foreign ministers from 10 regional countries in the Economic Cooperation Organisation (ECO).
ECO incorporates Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7536501 - 10/19/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The weapons being discussed in your original quote are in Iraq. The Taliban is not operating in Iraq. Nor does Iran need to act in Afghanistan, the Paki whackjobs are quite helpful all by themselves.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
#7536531 - 10/19/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Obviously. You have the same people involved in making the same claims - which in this case are shown to be empty - however, in a different region. If a person has any sense in them, it should reinforce skepticism over the validity of identical claims from the same parties, regardless of region.
I also found the photo that was mentioned earlier:
And the convincing argument that goes along with it:
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Three senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad said Sunday the “machining process” used in the construction of the deadly bombs had been traced to Iran.
It's demoralizing that was enough for some people in this thread to make up their minds, especially after the Saddam hoax.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
#7536561 - 10/19/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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kotik said: http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/09/ahmadinejad-at-columbia-university-full.html
some good quotes in here... far cries from the "OMFG he doesnt believe in homos, wtf!" hysteria being pushed by the media.
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Realities of the world are not limited to physical realities. And the material is just a shadow of supreme realities, and physical creation is just one of the stories of the creation of the world. Human being is just an example of the creation that is a combination of the material and the spirit. And another important point is the relationship of science and purity of spirit, life, behavior and ethics of the human being. In the teachings of the divine prophet, one reality shall always be attached to science. The reality of purity of spirit and good behavior, knowledge and wisdom is pure and clear reality. It is -- science is a light. It is a discovery of reality, and only a pure scholar and researcher, free from wrong ideologies, superstitions, selfishness and material trappings, can discover the reality.
umm.. wow!? I can't imagine bush being able to read something like that, let alone speak or even comprehend it.
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I believe the Holocaust, from what we read, happened during World War II after 1930 in the 1940s.
orly? another small detail the media likes to overlook. 99.9% of the time, he is referred to as a Holocaust Denier.
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We love all nations. We are friends with the Jewish people. There are many Jews in Iran living peacefully with security. You must understand that in our constitution, in our laws, in the parliamentary elections, for every 150,000 people we get one representative in the parliament. For the Jewish community, one-fifth of this number they still get one independent representative in the parliament. So our proposal to the Palestinian plight is a humanitarian and democratic proposal.
hmm.. wants to kill all jews?
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MR. COATSWORTH: Mr. President, I think many members of our audience would be -- would like to hear a clearer answer to that question, that is -- (interrupted by cheers, applause). The question is: Do you or your government seek the destruction of the state of Israel as a Jewish state? And I think you could answer that question with a single word, either yes or no. (Cheers, applause.) PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: And then you want the answer the way you want to hear it. Well, this isn't really a free flow of information. I'm just telling you where I -- what my position is. (Applause.) I'm asking you, is the Palestinian issue not an international issue of prominence or not? Please tell me, yes or no. (Laughter, applause.)
well done sir, well done.
and about the homosexual comment... it's pretty much what he said... they don't have homosexuals in Iran "like in America." Shame that comment alone seems to have discredited his entire speech.
good post. many people believe the propoganda and if you look into it youll see its false. its all to stir things up for a war with iran, dont buy into any of it. propoganda on ever channel.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: kotik]
#7539051 - 10/20/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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kotik said: hmm.. wants to kill all jews?
I'm sure that he "doesn't mean it" when his government gives money and weapons to Hamas which it then uses to kill innocent Israeli civilians.
and I'm sure we "didn't mean it" when our government gave money and weapons to Al Qaeda. Right?
When did usa give money and weapons to Al Qaeda? I missed that one.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7579445 - 10/31/07 05:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Iran says no role in killing US soldiers in Iraq
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran on Tuesday denied involvement in killing US soldiers in Iraq, rejecting allegations that it supplies deadly explosives to insurgents attacking Americans in the conflict-torn country. "The Islamic republic has no role in killing American soldiers in Iraq," Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency.
"The American government lies to its citizens in this regard," he added.
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U.S. Military Ignored Evidence of Iraqi-Made EFPs
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WASHINGTON, Oct 25 (IPS) - When the U.S. military command accused the Iranian Quds Force last January of providing the armour-piercing EFPs (explosively formed penetrators) that were killing U.S. troops, it knew that Iraqi machine shops had been producing their own EFPs for years, a review of the historical record of evidence on EFPs in Iraq shows.
The record also shows that the U.S. command had considerable evidence that the Mahdi army had gotten the technology and the training on how to use it from Hezbollah rather than Iran.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7581481 - 10/31/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Iran says"
and a link to some nutlogs who say that Iraqi thugs made some of their own and that they got some others from Hezbollah, neither of which negates the fact that they got some of the best from al Quds. What the fuck is it with you and Iran?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
#7582843 - 11/01/07 02:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why get to the truth when you can not care, right? To paraphrase: Why not just let the hostile sentiments build towards a nation that might soon be attacked, regardless of whether the motives are valid? To paraphrase: Why don't we all discuss issues halfway, and then once we've stuffed them with our uninformed opinions drop them, and if our ignorance is exposed, question why someone even cares in the first place?
No. It's just more data for the pool Zap, no need to respond like I just shut you down.
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and a link to some nutlogs
Putting aside that hypocrisy, the article with the sources and from the site that you know nothing about and most likely didn't read doesn't actually make its own claims in the matter, but references military data, reports, and quotes. If those things really don't fit your style then feel free to ignore it, but you should also not post on it.
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: Disco Cat]
#7584791 - 11/01/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Astonishingly enough, your "paraphrases" are longer than my actual sentences. And, as usual, you fail to address the substance of my post. Good, consistent work. You don't like my characterization of them as "nutlogs". You accuse me of not reading it. How about this
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IPS coverage is focused on developing regions of the globe, but within the context of globalisation and its impacts. The stories cover topics like economy, politics, human rights and democratisation, environment and development. Strengthening the gender perspective in all IPS stories, and giving a voice to minorities and under-represented groups are editorial priorities.
The content of IPS World Service is written and edited from the perspective of the developing world. The overwhelming majority of the contributing journalists and editors are from developing countries, including those reporting from Europe, North America and Japan.
Which is all fine and dandy. Except they are obviously, by their own admission, an advocacy group Thus the are no authority, nor are they dispassionate, nor do they have any credibility. Sorry, "nutlogs" stands.
Any time you want to actually address the points I made, chirp up.
What is it with you and fascist thugs anyway?
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Re: What Ahmadinejad REALLY said at Columbia (full transcript) [Re: zappaisgod]
#7586154 - 11/01/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rather not so astonishingly, you don't seem to know what a paraphrase is and what it is not, and your interpretation of "substance" is pretty shaky.
But for you I'll address your "substance" at the equal level as it was presented:
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zappaisgod said: "Iran says"
Iran says > Zap says. Iran says ≥ Bush administration says.
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You accuse me of not reading it.
Well, I figured if you had read it you'd also have understood it. "The article... doesn't actually make its own claims in the matter, but references military data, reports, and quotes."
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How about this & they are obviously, by their own admission, an advocacy group Thus the are no authority
Doesn't affect anything since "the article... doesn't actually make its own claims in the matter, but references military data, reports, and quotes."
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neither of which negates the fact that they got some of the best from al Quds
Is it supposed to?
"It's just more data for the pool."
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