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Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs
    #7451864 - 09/25/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How do these guys get paid? I dont really understand the field, I know you can teach schools, but if i go into a field in biology, I wouldnt wanna teach school. Im thinkin there is some kind of job in the field that they walk around find plants and study them or make/find new strains/medicines stuff like that.. Is there? If so.. How would those guys get paid? Or am I getting it confused with something else?

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Re: Biologists/Botanists [Re: sublimistri]
    #7451938 - 09/25/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well even If noone knows about biology/botony. But you do know some good jobs that require education and alot of traveling with good pay feel free to post those. And im not talkin about truck driving and shit.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452027 - 09/25/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You should look into becoming a technician for a botanist. Plenty are involved in corss-bredding/genetic engineering etc. The pay isn't very good however.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists [Re: badchad]
    #7452036 - 09/25/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Im starting to get really interested in the study of plants, I used to want to aim for mycologist, but thats alot of years in the field before your out of college. With plants, I want to do something like looking for new medications, crossbreeding, new strains, that kind of stuff, I just dont see how they would get paid maybe by the hour? Albert hoffman comes to mind, he would walk around and find stuff to expiriment with.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452090 - 09/25/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I really have no idea..
You could write books? A lot of botanists/biologists do that
Terrence McKenna, Dale Pendell, Schultes, hell, even Stamets

But Hofmann worked for some pharmaceutical company, I believe
Sandoz.

It's going to take a lot of time in college, basically.
And even then I don't think you'd be guaranteed to have the dream job you speak of.

One thing is for sure though
You should reach for whatever your dream is
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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452167 - 09/25/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

dont know about pay but thats what I plan on getting into
im on my second year undergrad
this is the masters program I am aiming for, which is a sick program: http://www.plantbiology.northwestern.edu/


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: mikeytro]
    #7452248 - 09/25/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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dont know about pay but thats what I plan on getting into
im on my second year undergrad
this is the masters program I am aiming for, which is a sick program: http://www.plantbiology.northwestern.edu/




damn. that is a really awesome looking program.
I wish you the best of luck.
I'm starting soon to major in Biology.. I've yet to decide what I want to emphasize on though. It's down to either mycology, botany, or.. something. :lol:


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7452276 - 09/25/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i've been looking into how'd i make a living do something within the field of ethnos and the such. i guess the best would be to look into alt school programs. maps.org has a lot of info. i've always wanted to go to one of the mind matter conferences [i doubt that is the right name] in cali. it takes a lot of looking around.
but i'll def give you a heads up when i find some good info.

http://www.ccnh.edu/

sorry that post was a bit all ova the place :-)


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7452301 - 09/25/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanks man
hope I can get to that point....soo much school :lol:
yea I'm actually undeclared ATM, but ever since I started college I've been interested in biology and this past summer I pretty much made my mind to major in it, so when 2nd semester comes around i plan on declaring it
biology is such a diverse major, you can do so many fucking things with it

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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7452311 - 09/25/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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mikeytro said:
dont know about pay but thats what I plan on getting into
im on my second year undergrad
this is the masters program I am aiming for, which is a sick program: http://www.plantbiology.northwestern.edu/




damn. that is a really awesome looking program.
I wish you the best of luck.
I'm starting soon to major in Biology.. I've yet to decide what I want to emphasize on though. It's down to either mycology, botany, or.. something. :lol:




Mycology would be the dream, Its too much, last time I looked you needed so much to go into mycology. Botany seems like it would be less time in college. Im interested in both fields, and in school im sure I wouldnt even mind studying it. which is :thumbup:

Im checking out the links you guys posted thanks guys :thumbup:


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: mikeytro]
    #7452314 - 09/25/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If you want to go into botany or many other "biological sciences" there are two basic "levels" of jobs:

1. Ph.D. level jobs
2. All other jobs.

If you really want to do whatever you want, you'll need a Ph.D. and tenure, which is a lot of years. If this isn't your plan, a 4 year degree will suffice.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452315 - 09/25/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

dirtworshipper said:
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mikeytro said:
dont know about pay but thats what I plan on getting into
im on my second year undergrad
this is the masters program I am aiming for, which is a sick program: http://www.plantbiology.northwestern.edu/




damn. that is a really awesome looking program.
I wish you the best of luck.
I'm starting soon to major in Biology.. I've yet to decide what I want to emphasize on though. It's down to either mycology, botany, or.. something. :lol:




Mycology would be the dream, Its too much, last time I looked you needed so much to go into mycology. Botany seems like it would be less time in college.

Im checking out the links you guys posted thanks guys :thumbup:




If mycology is the dream, don't let the excess of school crush it for you.
It will be well worth it.
:yesnod:


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7452325 - 09/25/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I guess Il need to look into It more, but from what ive seen it was like 8 years of college, which means Id be around 30 when I get out of college. It kind of seems like too much. Im wanting something around like 5 years max.

It might be better If i ride around to some of the colleges near me and speak of it to them, its kind of hard to find stuff online about it.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452473 - 09/25/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

30 isn't that old to have all your shit together. In fact, you'd be ahead of the curve


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452485 - 09/25/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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How do these guys get paid?




Some do research for universities who pay them with grant money. Others teach the subject in schools. Still others work as consultants for companies who might need to rely on their expertise.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452489 - 09/25/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Get a book on Agronomy and understand just how smart the Genetic Modifiers are, you do not need College to make millions in this field.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7452493 - 09/25/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

<----- Horticulture Major.

After school, going to Culinary School.

Goal: Head chef/gardener at unique resturant that utilizes thier own fresh produce in dishes.

OR: A greenhouse manager that cooks kickass food.

I can dream.

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Re: Biologists/Botanists [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452499 - 09/25/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well shucks, shooting for a masters are we?

I have a failed education and I have a million dollar insurance policy with my name on it. It's called General Contracting and you have to have industry, money and power involved to get it.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: MycoCakeEater]
    #7452508 - 09/25/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Of course, you could always sign a contract and be stuck with the shit storm and go to jail if you fail.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7452530 - 09/25/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A Ph.D is typically 4 years of undergrad + 5 of grad school then about a 3 year post-doc.

If you want 4 years, you could go for your bachelors.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: badchad]
    #7452811 - 09/25/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If you want smart, sit down for a cup of coffee with me. I know more self-made millionares than anyone of you college-swindling kids.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: Adom]
    #7452998 - 09/25/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Monsanto, biotech firms, tobacco companies. My college has a botany college or some shit but it takes at least 2 years to get in.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: sublimistri]
    #7453426 - 09/25/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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How do these guys get paid? I dont really understand the field, I know you can teach schools, but if i go into a field in biology, I wouldnt wanna teach school. Im thinkin there is some kind of job in the field that they walk around find plants and study them or make/find new strains/medicines stuff like that.. Is there? If so.. How would those guys get paid? Or am I getting it confused with something else?

-sub




To do that you'd need a Ph. D. With a bachelors in biology you'd probably end up doing stuff like vegetation/habitat/bird surveys, cosultation, or invasive species control. These days you'd most likely end up doing something with invasives. Doing that stuff you'd get paid just like everyone else.

However, if you get a bachelors and did well in school you could possibly get a graduate assistantship or fellowship which would pay you to go to school to get a masters or Ph.D. At that point you could get grants or a job that focuses on research, or you could teach.

I'm about 2 and a half months away from having a degree in biology and I plan on just doing some paid internships after school to get some more experience, meet some people, and figure out what I want to do. I'm thinking eventually I'll go to grad school, but that's only because I'm not quite sure what I'd like to do as a career yet.


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    #7453435 - 09/25/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://botany.org/newsite/employment/index.asp

Here's a listing of some botanical jobs.

http://www.bio.net/hypermail/EMPLOYMENT/2007-September/thread.html

There's a listing of biology jobs. Notice most of them are for post-doctoral positions.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: Twister]
    #7453484 - 09/25/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

When im in the mood for reading im definatly gonna check those out I went to the first one for a minute and it looks informational.


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    #7453512 - 09/25/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Finding a good job in the field seems pretty hard if you don't have connections. It seems like most of the good jobs that don't require some sort of graduate degree go to people that have an in. Which is why I'm probably just gonna do some internships at first. Depending on who they're with alot of time you can get an offer for a permanent position when you're done with it.


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Re: Biologists/Botanists/ Or Traveling Jobs [Re: Twister]
    #7492436 - 10/06/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Finding a good job in the field seems pretty hard if you don't have connections. It seems like most of the good jobs that don't require some sort of graduate degree go to people that have an in. Which is why I'm probably just gonna do some internships at first. Depending on who they're with alot of time you can get an offer for a permanent position when you're done with it.




Yep. Filling out tons of applications for some jobs doesn't mean shit. Knowing a person that works at a certain company is the best way to get in.


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