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Is my plan OK?
    #7451475 - 09/25/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

After a (too) long period of colonization (two months!!!) my jars are finally done!
Now, this being my first attempt, I want to check with the better experienced if I'm planning the following steps correctly.
Please don't flame me. I read so many teks, tips, tricks and some contradict others and so on, so I'm posting this as a result of my need for a more direct confirmation.

My jars : P. Cubensis, Mexican variety, with brf/vermiculite.

This is what I'm gonna do :

1.
A. Wait for another week to be sure the jars are colonized evenly in the inside.
B. Don't wait for another week. The colonization took too long, probably the inside of the cakes is colonized.

2.
A. Get the cakes out of the jars. Put them in a recipient, cover them with bottled tap water and let the recipient in the fridge over night.
B. Get the cakes out of the jars. Put them in a recipient and dunk them by letting sink water pour over them for the night.
C. I won't dunk the cakes. They'll do just fine as they are. I'll just dunk them between flushes.

3.
A. Get the cakes out of the water and roll them in pc'ed dry vermiculite.
B. Get the cakes out of the water and roll them in vermiculite, without pc'ing it first.
C. Rolling the cakes is no longer necessary. Just roll a joint instead.

4.
A. Put the cakes in the birthing chamber, over 1 cm of wet perlite.
B. Put the cakes in the birthing chamber over a few wet paper tissues.


I'm thinking 1B (lack of patience), 2A (I don't trust sink water), 3A, 4A.

Most likely the teks cover all my questions, but it's my first time, and after two months of waiting I'm finally starting to see the light!
So...Is my plan ok?

Thank you for your patience and your answers.


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Re: Is my plan OK? [Re: Schmensie]
    #7451549 - 09/25/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'd wait at least a few days after the jars are 100%. It is OK to dunk your cakes in tap water if you just add a little bit of H202 (hydrogen peroxide).. or it could be rubbing alcohol.. I forgot.. havent done cakes in a while. For the dunk and roll, I used to save the top verm layer on all BRF cakes after birth and put some on top of the cakes. It has already been sterilized along with your BRF/Verm mix. You could even put a little bit of hydrated coco-coir on top of the cakes (I didn't PC or pastuerize). Putting the cakes on the wet perlite is OK only if its fairly fresh perlite and you're 100% sure is contamination free. I'd recommend putting cakes on a non-metal layer as they can absorb rust.

You'll soon want to move on to bulk substrates and casings because cakes dont yeild much for the amount of time passed waiting for them to colonize and fruit.


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Re: Is my plan OK? [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7451572 - 09/25/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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ButterWeasels said:
Putting the cakes on the wet perlite is OK only if its fairly fresh perlite and you're 100% sure is contamination free. I'd recommend putting cakes on a non-metal layer as they can absorb rust.




Mmm. I don't know how fresh the perlite is. A guy gave it to me. I intend to pc it anyway, heh. Would this ruin it?


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Re: Is my plan OK? [Re: Schmensie]
    #7451612 - 09/25/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've never dunked or rolled in vermiculite when I did BRF cakes. Give it another day or two and put them right in the fruiting chamber directly on top of about an inch of perlite. I'm assuming you don't have a humidifier and are using perlite humidification. If you have a good bit of jars go ahead and experiment with dunking and what not. It's not always necessary to PC things but it can't hurt. I sterilize everything that goes in, on, or near my jars.


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Re: Is my plan OK? [Re: Schmensie]
    #7451658 - 09/25/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Schmensie...Well, sounds like you're on your way. Congrats! I know the waiting game is hard but patience is a virtue, especially in this hobby. Well to answer some of your questions, this is what I would advise. I just got through doing all these things and am about to pick my first flush within the next 4-5 days! So, here's what I suggest, as well as some other very experienced growers.

First, if you haven't seen the videos on Youtube, I would strongly recommend you go watch them and follot them to a T. There is a four part series by Roger Rabbit (RR). Do a search for "Let's Grow Mushrooms" and you will find it. Or you can just follow this link I have provided! RR is a moderator on here and is very smart, I followed his pf tek and have had amazing results!!! Do it, wathc it, it's good. These videos are the actual footage from his 2dvd set.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=lets+grow+mushrooms&search=Search

1. I would def recomment waiting the extra week after full colonization. You've waited this long, what's a few more days? If the outside is just now getting to 100%, it's not a safe bet to assume the middle is too! If you go ahead and birth after full colonization, they're just gonna sit in the FC for about a week anyways. Might as well let em' sit in the jar they are already in. Will help reduce any chances of possible contams.

2. You should deffinitley dunk your cakes overnight (24hrs) in a large pot/kettle. I didn't put mine in the refridgerator. I had a gallon a distilled water that was really cold sitting in my fridge. I just used that water to pour into my large kettle, put the cakes in, and used a plate to weight the cakes down. Make sure and rinse the top layer of verm off real good before dunking. You really want to make sure that your cakes are hydrated real good before going into your FC.

3. After you have dunked your cakes, rinse them off and roll them in dry verm. You mentioned PC'ing the verm. It's not necessary. If you want, and this is what I did, you can put some verm on a cookie/baking sheet and place in the oven for 25-30min @ 350. This will do a good job of killing off any possible contams on it. Also, not written in stone. Just whatever you do, DO NOT use that layer of verm that was on top of your cakes. The purpose it was there for was to act as a barrier against contams or other germs and bacteria. It has already been exposed to the elements. Why risk it? Verm is cheap so just use some new verm. After dunking your cakes, just give em' a good rinse and then roll in the verm, like you are covering chicken with flour.
Also, if you want, once the cakes are in the FC, you can place a little pile of dry verm on top of the cakes. I didn't do that and mine turned out just fine.

After you put the cakes in the FC for the first time with the new layer of verm on them, let em' sit for 30 min, then come back and mist the verm to get it good and moist. Will act as a casing layer for the cakes.

4. I wouldn't recommend using the wet paper towels. More likely of a chance to harbor bacteria or contams. Plus, the perlite is going to take of your humidity much better than paper towels. Rinse and drain you perlite very well and put enough of it to make a 3-5" layer along the bottom of your FC.

But, just make sure you watch the videos on Youtube. I gave you the link. It's not that long. It will explain exactly what you need to do and how to properly do it. Hope this helps. good luck with your grow!


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Re: Is my plan OK? [Re: Schmensie]
    #7451685 - 09/25/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

One more thing, make sure and place your cakes on something inside your FC. Some people use the jar lids, but some also say the lids can cause rust issues. Personally, I use aluminum foil. It's neat, and it gets the job done. Placing your cakes directly on the perlite may cause your pins or shrooms at the bottom to be real soggy. The cakes will soak up moisture from the perlite. It may be ok sometimes to place on the perlite if you think your cakes are a little dry, especially if you have a large flush and it's draining the cake.


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Re: Is my plan OK? [Re: juris1]
    #7451729 - 09/25/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I forgot to mention, since it's your first grow. Eat some fresh mushrooms right after you pick them. It's your reward for patience.


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