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tony8404
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anyone who uses rye need your expertise
#7451371 - 09/25/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay i am gonna redo my rye jars... when i shake the jars after pcing them the rye sticks together and even shaking alot doesnt help...
i will use 10 cups of rye and use 1 gallon water and 1 gallon coffee regular brewed like in the directions on the container of coffee... is that too much coffee? or should i add an extra half gallon of water?
this time when I go to boil should I boil longer then 10 minutes? or once brought to a boil go to simmer for like 45 minutes?
when you pc, do you pre boil the water in the pc before loading jars? (i read its a good idea to do)... once your rocker starts to rock at 15psi and steam starts to come out do you want to turn the flame down till the rocker barely moves or should the rocker be moving pretty good?
pc timing... i have read some people using 60, 90 and 120 minute pc times... which is the better to use cause i went 120 last time maybe i should go 90?
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dysphoria
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: tony8404]
#7451401 - 09/25/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the stickiness of the jars could be attributed to lack of rinsing before and after pre-boiling and/or soaking. grains tend to stick when there is excess starch. rinsing will remedy this for the most part. beyond that, you'll need to add gypsum to your rye jars (powdered is best).
as for coffee, i would abstain from actually using it, until you have a better grasp of the grains themselves. elimination of uneeded variables will bring you closer to success.
pre-boiling the pc is not required, though ppl suggest its a good idea so everything gets brought up to temperature at an even rate, im assuming. and yes, you start counting from the moment it starts rocking, for about 90 minutes, and yes, you turn it down to 'medium' to 'medium high', or wherever its best that it stays rocking and boiling, but isnt on 'high' setting.
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tony8404
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: dysphoria]
#7451467 - 09/25/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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so there is no difference between slowly rocking to medium rocking... its more of the medium or medium high flame setting???
this is where i am confused, i soak the rye for 48 hours... once that is done i boiled the water and let it boil for 10 minutes... i never rinsed again besides rinsing at the first step like 5 times to get the junk out... should i be rinsing after the boil ??? i didnt this time cause i wasnt sure if that would remove the coffee but since its inside the rye maybe it wouldnt rinse out???
so maybe my jars are good then huh... is there a reason the rye grains look so dark and look like they shrunk??? i got a feeling not to use them...
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dysphoria
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: tony8404]
#7451750 - 09/25/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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there isnt much difference between slow rocking and medium rocking, since any rocking at all equals 250 degrees/15 psi, our goal.
the rye shouldnt look shrunk or dark at all, they should look like well hydrated fattened rye kernels, with no visible water on the exterior or at the bottom of the jar. and all the kernels should flow independently of each other.
your technique sounds ok, and yes you rinse before, and optionally after, though some claim the after part is or isnt required. i myself do rinse before and after the boiling (and before being loaded into jars), but if you do rinse both before and after, you must make sure that your grains are 100% drained and dry on the outside before being loaded into jars. all moisture needed is on the inside of course.
now in your case, it sounds like your pressure cooker was turned up too high, and/or you didnt have protection on the bottom for the jars. i.e. aluminum divider provided at time or purchase, or small dish rag to keep jars off bottom. and thus your rye got a bit scorched, and wont be suitable for growth.
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tony8404
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: dysphoria]
#7451874 - 09/25/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i did have the piece that goes inside on the bottom of the pc in place for the jars to sit on... i either turned it the gas up to high or i did not dry 100 %,.. i am really starting to think i did not dry good enough... cause 10 cups of rye after hydrated becomes alot and i didnt have much of a big strainer to use so i was trying to strain as good as i could.. i never make a big batch like i am going to now.. but i am gonna make my own diy strainer today....
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: tony8404]
#7452104 - 09/25/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I rinse till clear I soak for 24 to 48 Rinse again. Boil for 5 to 10 min Rinse the starch off and drain and shake till it pours like sand. Load jars, and I pc 90 min.
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mycocurious
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: thedoc8]
#7452281 - 09/25/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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foremost, you need to make sure you're rinsing the grains several times before attempting to soak. Use the hottest water your tap provides and stir the grains vigorously each time before swapping out the rinse-water.
Then, after you rinse that final wash water out, load it up with more hot water and stir in the gypsum. As for your coffee, yea, personally I think you used way++ too much on your last batch. I generally only pour in 2-4 oz of fresh coffee for my soak. Too much coffee in your soak can promote contamination, so use it sparingly.
Finally, soak times, I've only ever let them soak 12-24 hours...
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Re: anyone who uses rye need your expertise [Re: mycocurious]
#7452684 - 09/25/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never boil the water in your pc before you add the jars. That's asking for broken jars due to the rapid temperature change. Load the pc, add the cool water, seal, and then turn on the stove. This ensures that everything heats evenly.
When the weight starts to rattle, turn down the stove until it doesn't rattle at all. This should occur at about 14.5 psi, which is a great operating pressure. You'll have to re-adjust the stove a time or two because as the jars heat up, they'll absorb less heat. By not allowing the weight to rattle, water loss is reduced, allowing longer cycles if needed. I use 90 minutes for rye in quart jars. RR
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