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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7479505 - 10/03/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If there is truly a greater value to the local economy to harvest those mushrooms than to cut down the trees, you can start an appeal process that will re-evaluate the need to clearcut. I do not know much about the process except what is written here. Trees are almost always cut down only when they start to appreciate slower than another investment for that land. If you factor in the value of the annual mushroom harvest with appreciation(rate of $$ growth) of older trees, it could

Lots of other good information there as well. Pretty elaborate data on how to treat your matsu patch. You can look under the moss to find those #1s, just put it back where you found it.

I don't know anything about the market forces in Japan, but I dare say, that the market will not bear such a huge profit margin, if it even exists, for very long at all.


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7481038 - 10/03/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
I don't think theirs much forest left to ruin so I guess I don't see the big deal anymore.

Pretty much every tree you see these days is man made.




Perhaps where you are from this is the case but in my state roughly 3/4 of the forest is still old growth. Even if there are few natural forests where you are from it should be top priority to keep them intact. With how inefficient wood pulp is anyway it is time to look to other sources for our needs of paper produts.


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: LaineRB]
    #7481395 - 10/03/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
I don't think theirs much forest left to ruin so I guess I don't see the big deal anymore.

Pretty much every tree you see these days is man made.




Even if there are few natural forests where you are from it should be top priority to keep them intact.






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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: LaineRB]
    #7481880 - 10/03/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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With how inefficient wood pulp is anyway




Believe it or not, thats part of the problem. Resinous pines are very inefficient for making paper. If a resinous tree grows too long - its almost worthless.

So in these forests with resinous trees, the appreciation has reached 0 or even negative, it is losing value year to year. Foresters look at opportunity cost when reaching a land management decision. You may remember opportunity cost from high school or college economics classes. The cost of keeping a non-appreciating asset is not zero. It is the amount of money you lost by not picking something that does gain value. If the timber is losing value or gaining value slower than a new regenerated crop, then it needs to be regenerated. Thats where the fungus comes in. Maybe the trees aren't appreciating at all, but the acreage in question pumps $50,000 a year into the local economy. Foresters are really only concerned about fungi that damage their goods, parasitic and saprophytic fungi. It's your job to inform them about the $50,000 opportunity cost to the local economy.

Especially with the new wave of hybrid poplars on the market. Nowadays, when you do a search for Lombardy poplar, you find more websites urging you NOT to buy. The new hybrid poplars produce 10tons of biomass an acre every ten years. They reach 100 feet in only 14 years.

For a good read about how the timber industry works, check out a book called Eco-Economy.


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7490484 - 10/06/07 04:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i don't understand,

is he basically saying becuase of corporate farming shroom prices have dropped so much they are worthless?


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: druqs]
    #7490496 - 10/06/07 05:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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mycelismymind said:
i don't understand,

is he basically saying becuase of corporate farming shroom prices have dropped so much they are worthless?





he said in one of the episodes that early in the season some wormy mushrooms graded as number ones found their way back to japan from canada. The japanese freaked and set a low price. There is a glut of perfect mushrooms right now...and the Japanese and the buyers in british columbia are holding everything at the low price yet still selling matsutake at regular market prices on their end of the deal.


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: greys]
    #7490498 - 10/06/07 05:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

oh thats harsh, here in england i've never even seen mushrooms like that for sale, they look super tasty.

perhaps england and the U.K is a gap in the market?


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: greys]
    #7571250 - 10/28/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think JCs Shroom Shack is getting a bad wrap from yous. He's protesting what he feels is market manipulation by a pair of Joe's who have a monopoly on the exportation, apparently. Prices used to be great and this supported communities of interesting individuals who lived in the wilds during the fall and picked the mushrooms. Primarily pines were picked but buyers in towns like Terrace, B.C. would pay for other mushrooms as well such as King Boletes. I've never seen evidence of raking, and the pickers I know are as a standard, environmentally conscious. JC is just calling for more of the big money to get passed down to the workers, the pickers in the bush. Prices in NW BC ranged from 0.50-10.00$ a pound this fall, steadily increasing from sept to midoctober. Generally prices were depressed, and I think the increase in price may be associated with the protest. IF it was, then hell ya. At 50 cents a pound for class A's, there are no pickers in the bush, the industry disapprears. As well, these regions need industries that increase the value of their forests above just pulp/paper and 2x4's.

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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: greys]
    #7571388 - 10/28/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Those guys are a bunch of tweekerz.


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: thescientist]
    #7571399 - 10/28/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

But i hear you, hell I could give them double what they were getting at least! I could probably hustle 20 a pound at 20 pounds a week to one place. They should send me a pm.


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: thescientist]
    #7571424 - 10/28/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The pickers in the bush should learn how to network and sell what they pick. Instead of selling in bulk. They think that they can just demand market price for huge quantities. Maybe not i don't know. They should spend three days out in the woods, and spend 4 days going strait to the restaurants. Selling them for a better price. If the bush pickers want more, they need to do more then pick in the bush.


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: Cheezit]
    #7572580 - 10/29/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The restaurants are a 1000km from where the mushrooms are picked. Thats just to get them to Vancouver restaurants. The real money is in exporting them to Japan where they go for, hundreds per pound. They are literally auctioned off by-the-mushroom. So, getting the mushrooms to market requires LEASING cargo space from an airline.....this has been monopolized by the Joe's (much speculation here). Pickers can bring home a hundred pounds of pines in a day, these are not for local or regional consumption. This is not a situation where you can unload them through a tiny network of likeminded buddies. These are for export, period.

For the uninitiated, pine mushrooms have an unforgetable aroma and flavor. A scent that is entirely intoxicating.

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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: thescientist]
    #7572686 - 10/29/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i hear you now


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: Cheezit]
    #7574200 - 10/29/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Dumb question- Where should I order them from?

I would love to see first hand what they taste like...

Does anyone have a good souce that can ship fresh to central USA?


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: TheChosenOne]
    #7575516 - 10/30/07 06:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there is a special way to eat a matsutake too....you inhale just as you bring it to your mouth...then bite and chew. they have a spicy cinnamon aroma thats lost if you just gobble them down.
i recently found and consumed some fresh ones near olympia washington.
they were the bizomb.


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7577168 - 10/30/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps that dude needs to go into a differnt type of buisness. Mushrooms seems to be stressing him out. Just move on man. Be happy:grin:


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Re: frustrated mistake buyer video [Re: jabberlisa]
    #7599839 - 11/05/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have never seen any mushroom in the south other than enoki , shitake
oyster, portobello and baby porto .. and once morels which I should have bought .. but they were probably cultivated anyway ..
it would be nice to see more like matsutake they look good ..


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: greys]
    #7603250 - 11/06/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That is one pissed of dude.


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7605275 - 11/06/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i understand where he's coming from...

but why take it out on the poor, defenceless shrooms?!

seriously though, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
$1/lb is better than nothing.


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Re: frustrated matsutake buyer video [Re: faceofbear]
    #7605900 - 11/07/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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$1/lb is better than nothing.




No, it isn't. That would be surrender. It allows the importers to make huge profits by selling them for $300 per pound, when they only pay $1. If he could get the other growers to also boycott the cartel, they would be forced to meet their terms, not the other way around. These mushrooms don't fruit all year. If the importers miss the window to get their product, they're screwed. He did the right thing. I just hope he wasn't the only one.
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