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Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll
    #7450735 - 09/25/07 07:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Which specie(s) is/are your favorite rootstock(s) for grafting peyote to? you can choose 2 options for both questions.

i know there are WAY more stocks that are used but these seem pretty commonly found in stores and are used fairly often.

If there are others you like as well, post them. I am also interested in WHY you chose those, what are the advantages...what problems do you have with them? maybe one is very good but can be tricky with smaller scions...etc...
Which 2 rootstock(s) are your favourite for Lophophora sp. scions under 1 cm?
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Which 2 rootstock(s) are your favourite for Lophophora sp. scions over 1 cm?
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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7450746 - 09/25/07 07:31 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I chose pereskiopsis for smaller scions cause they are very easy to attach, the stock grows VERY fast and they don't rot. the growth rate seems to have no match in speed. the one thing i hate abut pereskiopsis is it often makes a mess out of the scion with age making it pup a lot and, to me, making it quite ugly.

for older ones my favourite is Myrtillocactus geometrizans. some people say san pedro is better but in my experience i get the same if not better results from this. it grows very very fast and keeps a nice body shape. it is very easy to graft to and roots esay. takes a fair bit f water before rotting.

i also like hylocereus. VERY fast growing and is VERY rot resistant (much like pereskiopsis). i like it for its speed and it's water requirements. But i find it a little harder to graft to personally. the core is more woody than others and i find it needs to be taped or weighted for longer...i also find if in too low humidity the core will raise and the flesh will shrink, more than others....but it is a very good stock. the other problem (not so much for lophs) is that it cannot support large scions. it can be too weak for things like large astrophytums...but lophophora are generally small enough to be fine for many years.

i also like playing around just for fun. most cacti can be grafted to most other cacti, its all preference. i want to play with grafting sme stuff like mamm's and lophs etc. anyway.

what are your thoughts and opinions? which ones do you like, and why?


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7450920 - 09/25/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

question #1 ...
pereskiopsis & other (selenicereus grandiflorus) <<< from a seedling grafting perspective.

question #2 ...
myrtillocactus geometrizans & pachanoi... havent tried hylocereus undatus yet, but im sure i will like that one when i try it :grin:


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7451107 - 09/25/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

crap i meant to add that one damnit! selenicereus is great too!

you should try some hylocereus. its pretty good but the core is pretty woody. if you cant get any i can send you some cuts.


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7451229 - 09/25/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I know this isn't Peyote but I grafted some runt Terscheckii's to some Pilocereus Azureus and they are starting to take off now. The Pilocereus Azureus grow fast like Trichs.
I have some Myrts that didnt grow for shit in the past 2 years.

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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7451529 - 09/25/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I voted for other but only to be able to view the results, never grafted Lophs


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7452275 - 09/25/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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kadakuda said:
crap i meant to add that one damnit!  selenicereus is great too!

you should try some hylocereus.  its pretty good but the core is pretty woody.  if you cant get any i can send you some cuts.




got some hylo seeds that im gonna srout sometime, but for now i have 22 myrtillos and a forest of pereskiopsis to play with :grin:

selenicereus is not a bad stock at all, really easy to propagate...
i think i prefer it over pereskiopsis. it is slower growing than peres, but not massively so, and it has the advantages of not offsetting continuously, not to mention a higher drought tolerance, so doesnt really need as much attention...
the scion tends to stay as a single head as well rather than pupping like crazy... :smile:


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7453692 - 09/25/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

excellent....i only have a couple cuttings of that, time to get it going better i think.

cpw1971 .  what are your conditions?  it usually grows very damn fast.  HOT bright and a little moist and it should skyrocket.  i will post a pic of a caespitose i grafted to myrtle...very quick growing.

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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7453886 - 09/25/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

indoors
75f temps in the growroom
1000 watt HPS
look this pups been coming out slowly for the past 4 months and it was a year that it started pupping after I cut the top off....


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: cpw1971]
    #7453903 - 09/25/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

and another that hasn't grown....
and they are about 4 inches diameter

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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: cpw1971]
    #7454421 - 09/26/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

hmm i dont know what to say, maybe those particular ones are shit? mine often grow a foot or more a year. thats too bad cause its really a good stock!

i am very interested to hear comments on the person that chose Opuntia. i have tried many times and not very successfully!


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: cpw1971]
    #7455970 - 09/26/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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and another that hasn't grown....
and they are about 4 inches diameter





they have obviously stalled for some reason... not etoliating and looks well hydrated...
personally when i have a cactus that refuses to grow i repot it...
were they unrooted cuttings? often a cactus without a root system will put most of its effort ito growing roots rather than actually growing in size... then when its happy on its roots it will start to grow...


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7455979 - 09/26/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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excellent....i only have a couple cuttings of that, time to get it going better i think.




the only trouble that i have had with the selenicereus is getting it to grow thick enough to be more of a permanent stock than pereskiopsis.


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7456153 - 09/26/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

For me it doesn´t really matters in which stock I´m grafting seedlings.

I chose Pedro and Other - this other being Pilosocereus species (I´ve used maxonii, menezianus and azureus).

I really like Pereskiopsis, specially because they reproduce themselves extremely fast, but I prefer a rootstock that will last 'forever'.

I also have Cereus and Hylocereus species availiable, but I find Cereus is not the best choice (it´s output is just not that great like others), if you have no choice it´s ok.
On the Hylocereus, the scions get way too bloated and start to look too unnatural after a while, then when you want to degraft them you´ll notice a very thick core has formed, making it (almost) impossible to regraft, unless you just cut the very top of it.

Long live Pilosocereus spp!


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: felixhigh]
    #7458005 - 09/26/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i totally agree with you about the cereus and hylocereus...i am no big fan of cereus but many like them

hylocereus certainly get fat, but i kind f like that in a way (seed grown always look best...but still).

i have yet to try Pilosocereus...perhaps i should look for some.

Uare. i find that to with my selenicereus...very skinny. not pereskiopsis skinny but still skinny. wonder what kind of tricks people use to make them GIANTS? it cant be that hard, i have seen pics on the net of some good sized ones.


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7458875 - 09/27/07 05:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i have yet to try Pilosocereus...perhaps i should look for some.

Uare.  i find that to with my selenicereus...very skinny.  not pereskiopsis skinny but still skinny.  wonder what kind of tricks people use to make them GIANTS?  it cant be that hard, i have seen pics on the net of some good sized ones.




im curious too... the original cuttings i purchased were reasonably thick, i have used those for grafting...
but the cuttings i took from the originals and the seed grown ones i have dont seem to have the same girth :shrug:

im gonna have to give pilocereus a go if felix recommends it :thumbup:


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7458898 - 09/27/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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CEREUS GRAND (Selenicereus grandiflorus) is a perennial climbing cactus from the humid rainforest. She has elongated stems with sharp yellow spines that scramble and hang like vines. She is a vigorous climber, and is both epiphytic and terrestrial (grows on ground and on other plants). She clambers on other plants, using her spikes to move herself forward. She is known for climbing trees, and is a nimble athletic plant. She dislikes cultivation and prefers her natural habitat; she is an erratic bloomer. CEREUS GRAND blooms just one night a year for 6-hour period. Flowering is a slow process – it can take weeks for an actual flower to bloom. When not in bloom she tends to look dead. Flowers are up to 30cm across with an intense scent of vanilla. CEREUS has narcotic aphrodisiac qualities with medicinal effects on the heart. She is rare and exotic and few have actually seen her bloom.




so perhaps i need to give it less light and higher humidity if its a forest cactus, or maybe just be patient and see if the stem diameter increases with maturity :shrug:
i doubt humidity is an issue for u though kada.


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7458929 - 09/27/07 05:55 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

with mine i took it out of my grow box and set it on a windowsill and it is doing much better :-))


before


after

the after pic was from 1 month ago now they are through the blinds and growing up the window :-))


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: royer]
    #7458971 - 09/27/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

lol...pretty quick eh royer?

maybe less light is better??? mine get fried by some hot ass sun! full 30-40 degree sun for 10 hours a day....maybe i will try the back deck....but ya, its humid here, but not in winter (dry season) i will see how the humidity drop does with it then (i have only had these for a few months i think).

has anyone tried some other species in this genus?

anyone have pics of seedling grafts to Opuntia?


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Re: Lophophora sp. grafting rootstock poll [Re: kadakuda]
    #7459004 - 09/27/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

im definately moving mine to a window rather than keeping them in the growroom, i think the light intensity is too much...

i dont think many people have had great success grafting to opuntia, dont very often see prople posting about it anyway :shrug:

royer: thats a big improvement :thumbup:
mine do grow just as fast, but fast and skinny lol


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