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Dreams: experiences of alternate realities
    #7450376 - 09/25/07 02:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever awakened from a dream, only to feel that it was something that really happened? Well, what if it was? There's no reason to believe, or way to disprove, that they are not experiences of alternate realities - how can you disprove that there are other dimensions?

My friend, who will go unnamed (despite the fact that he does not post here anyway) once had a dream where he lived for years and years, fell in love, married and had kids. Then one night he went to sleep and woke up in his "real" bed (if you can say the other bed wasn't 'real'). He was seriously shocked and lay in bed for two hours trying to get his bearings. He still remembers everything about his alternate lifetime, too.

What do we make of this? Was his experience 'real'? And how do you define what is 'real' and what is not? To me, everything is just an experience.

I believe we exist in many alternate dimensions at once, and sometimes they converge (this is similar to what mikebart101 said in his thread).

Anyway, you people tell me what you think. It just so happens that Adult Swim has started playing Cowboy Bebop again and I'm missing it.

Latah, dudez.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7450555 - 09/25/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed. You can't stop the flow of reality when asleep.

I've reached the point where I am having trouble determining if a memory is just a fabrication of my own mind or something that actually happened while I was awake. I've had dreams that felt more genuine and real than right now.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: mikebart101]
    #7450574 - 09/25/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the more layered realities, are like the deva worlds, the less layered realities are like the lands of hungry ghosts.
we go to all of these worlds, as our consciousness spreads its wings and contracts.
it is all one reality.
time lines inthe experiences are not fixed.
a moment can last interminably, and they can cascade as years in a second.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: mikebart101]
    #7451274 - 09/25/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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mikebart101 said:
Agreed. You can't stop the flow of reality when asleep.



Precisely.

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mikebart101 said:I've reached the point where I am having trouble determining if a memory is just a fabrication of my own mind or something that actually happened while I was awake. I've had dreams that felt more genuine and real than right now.



Yeah, I've had problems doing that before too, in the past. Usually specifically with certain memories/dreams.

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redgreenvines said:
the more layered realities, are like the deva worlds, the less layered realities are like the lands of hungry ghosts.
we go to all of these worlds, as our consciousness spreads its wings and contracts.
it is all one reality.
time lines inthe experiences are not fixed.
a moment can last interminably, and they can cascade as years in a second.



Yeah! Where did you learn all that...?


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"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451565 - 09/25/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What do we make of this? Just another unknown.:shrug:

I believe we exist in many alternate dimensions at once,

I like to hear what you believe but I wouldn't take it seriously. Just another speculation on the unknown.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Icelander]
    #7451573 - 09/25/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's not really speculation as it merely requires dropping an imposed view of things. Most people measure "reality" by their waking life, without realizing that experiences are what make up reality. That's the simplest way of putting it. What makes a dream unreal?

Also, if you learn to live in other dimensions sometimes, then it will require the practical belief that they exist. There's no asurety that this knowledge will always remain unknown.


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"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451594 - 09/25/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A dimension is still a measurement we impose on reality, it's not really "another place we go". It's all happening here and now, and whatever that IS, is unknown to us. I think this is what Icelander meant.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7451600 - 09/25/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure that's what he meant at all. He seems to be more of a skeptic who resorts to the basics and doesn't know if dreams are real or not.

I agree with this statement - "It's all happening here and now"


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451602 - 09/25/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What is real? If you claim one thing is unreal then you claim to know what reality is. I do not make that claim.

Everything is speculative. When you drop the "imposed" view of things then you adopt another (maybe broader) one.

One of my favorites quotes of don Juan is "There is always more to everything".


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Icelander]
    #7451618 - 09/25/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Everything is speculative. When you drop the "imposed" view of things then you adopt another (maybe broader) one.



Who says?

btw, I love that new sig logo. :lol:


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451625 - 09/25/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I did. If you look at the post, at the top it will tell you who posted it.:thumbup::monkeydance:


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Icelander]
    #7451639 - 09/25/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Your theory sounds interesting to say the least. But, I'm more inclined to say that dreams are just projections of fears, hopes, and desires onto our subjective canvas'.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Boots]
    #7451642 - 09/25/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There seems to be evidence for this.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Boots]
    #7451665 - 09/25/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Your theory sounds interesting to say the least. But, I'm more inclined to say that dreams are just projections of fears, hopes, and desires onto our subjective canvas'.



So what about my friend that lived in his dream for years and had a wife and kids? Was that just an inner projection of personal hopes and dreams? Most projections like that don't last very long, because our imagination isn't strong enough to keep it up for very long. It just doesn't seem to make sense to say that's what it was.

Really you could just say that if every possibility exists, in dreams we tend to gravitate towards those which are closest to our own emotions and internal hopes and fears.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Icelander]
    #7451674 - 09/25/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You are awfully wishy-washy these days. Take a stand, dammit!


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451687 - 09/25/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Are you trying to prove something is true here? It's all speculative for all of us IMO. Just because your friend described something in a specific fashion that doensn't mean that's how it really was. I have had long dreams that seemed like a life. I also go to movies and fall into them in the same way. And all that means what? All this is anecdotal and so not very good proof of anything at all and that's why I say it's speculative.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Icelander]
    #7451737 - 09/25/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not really trying to prove anything. More or less showing how you can't prove one way or the other, and how it seems more likely, aside from imposed thoughts, that dreams are simply perceptions of other realities. String theory seems to allude to the fact of the existence of other realities, at least.

It doesn't really matter, though. As long as you listen to your dreams just as we listen to waking life. Hold no biases, just be. Life is much healthier that way.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451747 - 09/25/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't really matter, though. As long as you listen to your dreams just as we listen to waking life. Hold no biases, just be. Life is much healthier that way.


I agree although I haven't met anyone yet who does this that well.:monkeydance:


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: Icelander]
    #7451768 - 09/25/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

...there are plenty of people who put stock in the essential messages their dreams send them. It's amazing that you say you've never heard of them.


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Re: Dreams: experiences of alternate realities [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7451858 - 09/25/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's strange and dreamlike the way you draw things from my post that I never said or intended.:monkeydance:


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