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RTV clear silicone queations
    #7448173 - 09/24/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Okay i went out and bought some clear rtv silicone to make innoc ports with... i know how to make the innoc ports but wanna know more about this clear rtv silicone, then probably they have written on the package :O)


First of all i am going to be pcing 14 jars tonight... so if by any means i will not be able to use my self made jar lids i can wait till next time to use them but thought id ask first...

so first question, what kind of a time frame/cure is needed with allowing rtv clear silicone to dry before use??? meaning before i can pc and inoculate...

second question, i have read a few post mentioning voc's? does this concern cure time would i have to wait a few days for a full cure and not to worry about voc's? or do i have to do a special cleaning?? any help with this one appreciated thanks...

3rd question i do not think i have to put alot of the rtv on the top and bottom of the lid do i ? maybe quarter inch or less???


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: tony8404]
    #7448501 - 09/24/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I use high temp red rtv. I have put it on and pressured cooked straight away, just sticks sometimes to the foil.


I just put a dab over the top of the hole.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: thedoc8]
    #7448519 - 09/24/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The clear silicone needs a 24 to 36 hour cure time. Leave them in a well ventilated room for the next two days, then use.
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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: tony8404]
    #7448829 - 09/24/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the RTV forms a skin in ~30 minutes,
you can pc at that time IF there is a way for pressure in the jars to vent
[leave lid bands loose or tyvek 2nd hole]
otherwise the pressure will blow out the silicon plug.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: Hippie3]
    #7448867 - 09/24/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

why even risk it...its 24 hours...


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: fallingaway24]
    #7510415 - 10/11/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does one have to worry about the needle taking out a chunk of the silicone and making a big hole? I thought I read that somewhere..


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7510435 - 10/11/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i've never had that happen, needle always just slides right in and when it comes out the silicone just closes up behind it


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7510467 - 10/11/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cool. So to avoid polyfil one can just cover a large hole with micropore tape and then make silicone injection sites?


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7510513 - 10/11/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i like to use tyvek myself, just a me thing though.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7510833 - 10/11/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That would probably work. I'd trust ty-vek more though or even poly-fill, I don't know how well micro-pore tape PCs.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: Bikerfool]
    #7511792 - 10/13/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

micropore tape doesn't pc well at all, imo


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: Hippie3]
    #7511824 - 10/13/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hippie3 said:
the RTV forms a skin in ~30 minutes,
you can pc at that time IF there is a way for pressure in the jars to vent
[leave lid bands loose or tyvek 2nd hole]
otherwise the pressure will blow out the silicon plug.





this is awful advice. let it cure, and the point of using clear silicone in the first place is to form a vacuum, so that contams are pretty much not a concern, you add air via a sterile polyfil filled syringe.

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never pc uncured silicone, you'll only have a mess.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: jeetered]
    #7514852 - 10/14/07 06:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i know,
i'm the guy that invented that 'airport' [polyfiled syringe] tek
2 years ago
see http://forums.mycotopia.net/jars-bags-containers-lids-filters/8772-airport-re-deux.html

but
if you knew anything about how canning jars works
then you'd know that's how it should be done anyway,
rim bands slightly loose so the lids can rise to vent steam
then as they cool
the lids seal as the soft rubber is pulled down
onto the glass rim,
the pressure inside is still dropping as it cools
thus forming a vacuum
which is later released by the airport syringe.
further more
the heat speeds the curing process,
they harden up and seal fine inside the pc.
did you know that ?
i know these facts
because i've done it a hundred times easily
so don't tell me what's up
mr. i found a strain in my backyard
but under a scope it's just like any other cubie BS.
i know your game.
lol


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: Hippie3]
    #7514923 - 10/14/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hippie3 said:
i know,
i'm the guy that invented that 'airport' [polyfiled syringe] tek
2 years ago
see http://forums.mycotopia.net/jars-bags-containers-lids-filters/8772-airport-re-deux.html

but
if you knew anything about how canning jars works
then you'd know that's how it should be done anyway,
rim bands slightly loose so the lids can rise to vent steam
then as they cool
the lids seal as the soft rubber is pulled down
onto the glass rim,
the pressure inside is still dropping as it cools
thus forming a vacuum
which is later released by the airport syringe.
further more
the heat speeds the curing process,
they harden up and seal fine inside the pc.
did you know that ?
i know these facts
because i've done it a hundred times easily
so don't tell me what's up
mr. i found a strain in my backyard
but under a scope it's just like any other cubie BS.
i know your game.
lol




no one "invented" the polyfil tek... wtf are you talking about?

it's just common knowledge that's how to do it...

go back to mycotopia no one likes you here.

your advice is hazy, unnecessary, and there is NO reason for you to be here.

Your products are way to expensive, and worthless, and you like to steal other peoples work.

GTFO

and actually, it's not JUST like every other strain.
And, furthermore, this find, has opened up a whole new world of information, so please, go back to mycotopia and attempt to contribute to the OMC yourself, by shutting it down.


furthermore, while what you say about the jars is true, not many people that have done it ZERO FUCKING TIMES, will have that luck.
So, quit acting like you fucking know everything,

wronguy plz send this guy packing back to mycotopia where he belongs.

hippie3 why do you come to OUR community, and stir up shit that's unecessary? why did you fuck this thread up with personal attacks on me? is it because i've ignored your pm's? You haven't been on shroomery in some time, and we prefer it that way, and yes, IM FUCKING SPEAKING FOR THE ENTIRE ORDER of us shroomerites!

now you want to slander work i did, that's fine and dandy, do it at mycotopia, not here...

your image of "suntops" is exactly the strain i found, if you don't like it, quit using the fucking images... you seem to be making a big buzz of it over there.

what's funny, is this find is probably going to debunk the fact that a subcubensis even fucking exists. IT's IDENTICAL to cubensis except for spore size, and as workman says, many popular strains, in fact, share the same spore size as "subcubensis" so, if this information didn't contribute to the omc, then im a laughing monkey's ass... (im sure you think that anyhow) ONE THING, that workman found, is that in ALL THeSE YEars, not one person has noticed this... and now, it's out in the open.

ANd when was the last time you made a wild find? and when was the last time you brought it to hundreds and hundreds of people to cultivate indoors? I can't seem to find anything on your site, that states you have done so.

There is no reason for you to be here stirring up shit.

SO STFU, leave, and GTFO.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: jeetered]
    #7514959 - 10/14/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Knock it the hell off. There is no rule that says everyone has to agree. The idea of a forum is to share information, not to prove the other guy right or wrong. That's how we learn.

When you tell someone who's been around for many years that his idea is 'awful advice' you're bound to get a reaction. If you push your luck, you get spanked. I've personally never put uncured silicone into the PC before so can't say one way or the other, but that isn't the point. Until you try it, don't flame another member for saying it works. Get to experimenting.

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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7514986 - 10/14/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

RR, please don't just call me out.
You know im not in the wrong here.


Edited by jeetered (10/14/07 08:19 AM)


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: jeetered]
    #7514992 - 10/14/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, and Hippie3, if you think the Oak Ridge strain is Bullshit, then why are you selling it through vendors on your site???? considering YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, it was to remain a donated strain, you really burn me up man, you're definitely one person that doesn't deserve a computer.

it's such a BS strain, WOOHOO, you make me laugh, and then cry a little, because i fear for everyone in hell having to digest all your miss information when you get there.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: jeetered]
    #7514993 - 10/14/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so, let the lids cure.
I'll be inventing a tek for you, i'll post it later.


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Re: RTV clear silicone queations [Re: tony8404]
    #7515012 - 10/14/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Well, I see ONE of you took the PM's to heart. Sorry Tony, I hope your question got answered.
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