Home | Community | Message Board

Mycohaus
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Kratom Powder For Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   Original Sensible Seeds Feminized Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
Offlinelonestar2004
Live to party,work to affordit.
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 8,978
Loc: South Texas
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran
    #7447907 - 09/24/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

NEW YORK -- During his speech at Colombia University Monday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denied the existence of homosexuality in Iran and was met with laughter and jeers from the audience.

When asked why there is persecution of women and homosexuals in Iran, Ahmadinejad said, “In Iran we don’t have homosexuality like you have in [America],” Ahmadinejad said. “In Iran we don’t have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you that we have it."

http://www.wnbc.com/news/14192452/detail.html?rss=ny&psp=news


--------------------
America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnhance_Shammy
PsychedelicExplorer


Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 176
Loc: Under a rock.
Last seen: 5 years, 10 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7447952 - 09/24/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hahahaha, wow what an Rtard


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRoosterCogburn
Fearless,one-eyed U.S.Marshall
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 8,508
Loc: Dirty South, NJ
Last seen: 12 years, 4 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7447964 - 09/24/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

See that... I guess all homophobes should move to Iran!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblezorbman
blarrr
Male


Registered: 06/04/04
Posts: 5,952
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7448087 - 09/24/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl2:


--------------------
“The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”  -- Rudiger Dornbusch


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDieCommie


Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7448184 - 09/24/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thats because they executed them all already.

:gayflag:  :machinegun:


Iranian culture is certainly no friend to human rights, but we knew that already.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSyle
Kenai Sigh
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/16/05
Posts: 6,678
Loc: WA
Last seen: 10 months, 26 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: DieCommie]
    #7448212 - 09/24/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Thats because they executed them all already.

:gayflag:  :machinegun:


Iranian culture is certainly no friend to human rights, but we knew that already.




and because we knew that already, what does that mean in reference to the speech that Ahma-boy gave today?


--------------------
https://kenaisigh.bandcamp.com/ <- Just completed the 2021 RPM challenge for February - An EP in one month (5 songs or 20 minutes). Check it out!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeussA
Error: divide byzero


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 2 months, 20 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Syle]
    #7448289 - 09/24/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> what does that mean in reference to the speech that Ahma-boy gave today?

Most homophobes are closet homos, thus Ahma-boy is gay? Did he come out of the closet at the UN or something?


--------------------
Just another spore in the wind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSyle
Kenai Sigh
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/16/05
Posts: 6,678
Loc: WA
Last seen: 10 months, 26 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Seuss]
    #7448299 - 09/24/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl: :thumbup:


--------------------
https://kenaisigh.bandcamp.com/ <- Just completed the 2021 RPM challenge for February - An EP in one month (5 songs or 20 minutes). Check it out!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleafoaf
CEO DBK?
 User Gallery


Registered: 11/08/02
Posts: 32,665
Loc: Ripple's Heart
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7448637 - 09/24/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Al-Qaeda is pretty gay.


--------------------
All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 18 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7449138 - 09/24/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This just in: http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2698

Quote:

Report: Ahmadinejad Tasered at Columbia University

by Scott Ott

(2007-09-24) — Columbia University promised a full investigation into charges of police brutality after today’s reported Tasering of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who had come to the Ivy League school to give the annual Adolph Hitler Memorial Peace and Tolerance Lecture.

Like a similar incident at the University of Florida last week, the stun-gun assault by police followed a lengthy anti-American rant by the alleged victim, and was immediately condemned by civil rights advocates.

According to eyewitnesses, Mr. Ahmadinejad was dragged from the room shouting: “Do not make to Tase myself, slang brother man.”

It was not immediately known whether the victim was legitimately attempting to exercise his freedom of speech or if, as one unnamed witness said, “he’s little more than a publicity hound and prankster who will do anything to get news coverage.”








Phred


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 18 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Phred]
    #7449161 - 09/24/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2693

Quote:

Ahmadinejad to Visit Ground Zero, Or Vice Versa

by Scott Ott

(2007-09-19) — President George Bush today said he would consider “alternative means” to accommodate a request by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to visit ‘Ground Zero‘, the former site of the World Trade Center towers, during his trip to the United Nations next week.

“You know the old expression,” Mr. Bush said. “If Mahmoud can’t come to Ground Zero, we may have to bring Ground Zero to Mahmoud.”

The White House refused to clarify the president’s statement.






Phred


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeussA
Error: divide byzero


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 2 months, 20 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Phred]
    #7449195 - 09/24/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

“You know the old expression,” Mr. Bush said. “If Mahmoud can’t come to Ground Zero, we may have to bring Ground Zero to Mahmoud.”




:laugh:


--------------------
Just another spore in the wind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegluke bastid
Stinky Bum
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 3,322
Loc: Charm City
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Phred]
    #7449338 - 09/24/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: feeling playful today, Phred? :awesome:


--------------------
:hst:
Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil
 
- Thomas Paine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblezorbman
blarrr
Male


Registered: 06/04/04
Posts: 5,952
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7449967 - 09/24/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Firstly, I felt the introduction by the university president was highly biased and rude considering he had not yet heard his guest speak. I think the crowd acknowledged that with their reaction.

I was determined to give the man a chance to make his case.

I watched the entire speech. And since I am against attacking Iran there was a part of me that was rooting for a part of Ahmadinejad. Those uncomfortable with complexity may find their brains smoking now but I know most of you know what I mean.

Up until the time when he uttered the line about no gay people in Iran I had been quiet (like my friends who were watching me for my reaction)..I tried my best but when I heard that comment I felt my stomach start to quiver and could no longer hold it in..the vibrations spread until I was laughing aloud and almost fell off my chair!

The best argument against those who were against the speech even occurring in the first place was the speech itself. The man is a fanatic and totally exposed himself as such which was only possible because he was given that freedom.

The freedom to speak and make a fool of himself.


--------------------
“The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”  -- Rudiger Dornbusch


Edited by zorbman (09/25/07 12:41 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLocus
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/11/04
Posts: 6,112
Last seen: 2 years, 9 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: zorbman]
    #7450028 - 09/24/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

dude, same thing happened with me. i was watching trying not to judge the guy until i heard him speak for himself and once he got to the homo shit i was like ok thats it, WTF...


--------------------

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



~~~*Dosis sola facit venenum*~~~

*Check my profile to listen to my music* :smile:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Locus]
    #7450477 - 09/25/07 03:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't find anything remarkable about that statement. After all, it probably isn't an accepted lifestyle in Iran, and so according to his best knowledge there would be no gays in Iran.
The fact that there are no openly gay people in Iran makes his statement serious. To his knowledge there are none, and that doesn't lessen anything he has to say. Besides this, how do you people know he's wrong? What if environment really can play that big a role? As far as I've heard there are no conclusions yet on why a person is homosexual vs heterosexual.

But in the end all that matters is that Ahmadinejad said “In Iran we don’t have homosexuality like you have in [America],” and he was right. Even if it's being witheld and kept in secret, it isn't an apparent or proven part of his country's culture, and so there really is nothing to laugh at, apart from the stupidity of his audience in failing to recognize the environment where his comment comes from.

It's sad that Ahmadinejad's forum was opened with the accusation that he is petty and cruel, when in fact that is what his audience was to him.

The problem with Ahmadinejad is that his words require you to have a working brain to understand them. Then again, I think that problem it to do with his audience, and not him.

Quote:


Bollinger described Ahmadinejad as having a "fanatical mindset" for making statements like wanting Israel to be “wiped off the map.”



Yet Ahmadinejad has never said this... why are so many in the US so, so, very stupid? This fool and coward Bollinger merely set up Ahmadinejad for ridicule, caving to all the criticism he received in response to inviting him in the first place.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7450502 - 09/25/07 04:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl2:

Ahmadinejad simply must be understood as being innocent because of America's slant agansit Iran, right? :rolleyes:

The question was pertaining to persecution of women and homosexuals in Iran, to which he denies by saying that there are not homosexuals in Iran, as America has them, thereby denying any persecution.... yet.... there clearly is persecution of homosexuals in Iran.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/8b051428-5f0a-45c0-b1e4-e60688f189c5.html

And you feel it grounded to propose that the president of Iran is simply unknowing of their being homosexuals in Iran? That's just baseless wishful thinking, and it seems you are far more interested in defending Iran from criticism than actually looking at the situation for what it really is.

The fact is that it is a proven and apparent aspect of Iranian culture, to anyone who doesn't feel the need to defend Iran, and the fact is that it is proven that the Iranian culture and government persecutes homosexuals, as evidenced by their laws, by the hanging of homosexuals, etc. For someone like the president of Iran, surely a hanging of homosexuals in one's country that doesn't occur every day doesn't escape one. For a practitioner of Islam, surely the decree that homosexuals should be put to death, which is thus also Iranian law, doesn't escape one.

Your entire defense is that he simply wouldn't know the truth, which is unsubstantiated, and extremely unlikely.

Quote:


Yet Ahmadinejad has never said this... why are so many in the US so, so, very stupid?




Um, perhaps some Americans actually can hear what was clearly stated? :shocked:

Quote:


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday lambasted Israel and Zionism and quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini calling for Israel to be "wiped out from the map."




Quote:


Ahmadinejad quoted a remark from Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, who said that Israel "must be wiped out from the map of the world."

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by IRNA.




So, what, he didn't say it because he isn't the one who first said it? :what: The fact that he said it is truth, and his following, original statement confirms that he purposely used the quote for its intended meaning.

If your contention that he did not say it rest solely on the fact that he was quoting another of the same movement that said it, then its just sad. :rolleyes:

Iran just couldn't be guilty of any wrongdoing, eh, because America is out to get them? :lol:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7450518 - 09/25/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You're not on the page at all.

Your opening and closing sentences are neither here nor there.

“In Iran we don’t have homosexuality like you have in [America],” is a true statement, and cases of homosexuality in Iran do not discount it. It's too bad that you don't comprehend that sentence.

Ahmadinejad has never called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," neither did Ayatollah Khomeini, whom Ahmadinejad quoted. You need to do some real research and not be such a soft target for propaganda.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7450537 - 09/25/07 04:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Disco Cat said:
In Iran we don’t have homosexuality like you have in [America],” is a true statement, and cases of homosexuality in Iran do not discount it. It's too bad that you don't comprehend that sentence.




Its too bad that Ahmadinejad could not comprehend the question that he was asked, isn't it? The question was in regards to persecution of homosexuals in Iran, which is a fact. How does saying "we don't have homosexuality like you have in America" pertaining to that question in the slightest, unless it was a statement that the question did not apply, because of said lack of homosexuals?

So, either the statement is true in that Iran does not have an openly displayed homosexual culture, because of their persecution of homosexuals, thus implying that they do persecute, or he intended to say that there were no homosexuals in Iran, which would be false.

Either way you look at it, it still doesn't look good for himself or the state of Iran in regards to homosexuality and their persecution. :shrug:

Quote:


Ahmadinejad has never called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," neither did Ayatollah Khomeini, whom Ahmadinejad quoted. You need to do some real research and not be such a soft target for propaganda.




Quote:


Ahmadinejad quoted a remark from Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, who said that Israel "must be wiped out from the map of the world."

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by IRNA.




So then, you are saying that it was never said that Israel "must be wiped from the map of the world", and that "we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism"? :what:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7450543 - 09/25/07 04:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

How does saying "we don't have homosexuality like you have in America" pertaining to that question in the slightest, unless it was a statement that the question did not apply, because of said lack of homosexuals?



Who cares? I only talked about whether it was a laughable statement in view of his culture vs US'. And you should have typed instead because of said comparative lack of homosexuals.

Quote:

So then, you are saying that it was never said that Israel "must be wiped from the map of the world"




Obviously. Do some homework. To give you a nudge in the right direction, here is the exact quote:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."


Here's another shocker for you: Ahmadinejad does not deny the Holocaust.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekotik
fuckingsuperhero
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/29/04
Posts: 3,531
Last seen: 4 years, 24 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7450568 - 09/25/07 05:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

heresy!


--------------------
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
Exposer of Truth
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13,673
Loc: Smokey Mtns. TN Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 8 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7450611 - 09/25/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ahmadinejad is playing all these people like a deck of cards, and its all bullshit propaganda back in forth, and the media is constantly rolling this war drumbeat here in the US, and in Iran just the same is feeding off this very propaganda, boosting Ahmadinejad's support by legitimizing the fears of the Iranian people of a US invasion.

This is battle lines being drawn, and Iran and Syria have been funding guerrilla operations through-out and beyond the mid-east. They have funded Hezbollah with numerous high tech weaponry building a quasi-state in Lebanon to overthrow the government.

Syria and Iran are cutting a supply route through Iraq to fund these very militias to destabalize other middle eastern countries by trying to forment shiia revolutions, Iran is a dangerous unpredictable country. Why else would the Americans be supplementing these gulf countries with so many arms. Sparking a massive arms race is not a way of approaching peace.

Quote:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/21/ww.armsrace/

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Saber-rattling in the Middle East has been growing, with Israeli air strikes over Syria at the beginning of the month and France's Foreign Minister talking of war with Iran, but behind the scenes there are fears of a new arms race in the region.

In a deal announced this week, Saudi Arabia has agreed to buy 72 Eurofighter Typhoon jets from Europe's largest defense company, BAE Systems worth almost $9 billion. A boon for the company, especially given that a previous major deal is under investigation for allegations of corruption.

Hailed by the UK ministry of defense as a "new chapter" in cooperation with Saudi Arabia, the contract will be called "Project Salam," meaning "peace." It is also a new chapter that will see much more military hardware entering the region and one that ratchets up current tensions and divisions between Sunni-dominated states, such as Saudi Arabia, and Shiite Iran.

Larger deals between governments have been taking place. In August this year, the U.S. agreed to provide Israel with $30 billion in military aid over the next ten years.

Another agreement that is currently awaiting approval by the U.S. Congress would see a further $20 billion in military aid go to Saudi Arabia and other weapons deals to UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman, plus a further $13 billion to Egypt.

CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson believes it's a move that shores up the U.S. allies in the region in uncertain times. However it does little to ease the simmering international tensions between the west and the focus of its ire, Iran.

In a statement issued after the $20 billion deal to the Gulf states was announced in July, U.S. State Department Spokesman Tom Casey defended the deals as a means for its allies to defend themselves against threats from Iran and Syria.

"The Typhoon jet now has air-to-ground capabilities, which if they were to be used against Iranian nuclear facilities, would be effective, so I think that is the backdrop to that deal," Christopher Pang, Head, Middle East & North Africa Program at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies, told CNN.

Others see it as part of an attempt to create rival blocs in the region. Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini responded to the arms deal to Saudi Arabia a "horror scenario" that was aimed at dividing the region.

CNN's Nic Robertson believes that while arms sales to the region by the UK and U.S. are far from new, their timing and the current situation in the Middle East do increase fears from many quarters and the possibility of military action.

"Despite their own bi-lateral agreements with Iran, there is a mood within Saudi Arabia that it would not mind the U.S. and Israel striking some form of blow against Iran. In the Sunni dominated country, there are fears of a Shia crescent emerging in the region and popular opinion is that Iranian expansion cannot be tolerated," said Robertson.

While the U.S. would like Saudi Arabia to be a buffer to Iran's growing influence, Robertson believes the kingdom's immediate focus is currently on internal threats to its infrastructure and oil refineries from Al-Qaeda.

"The deals also do nothing to deter Iran from its perceived right to nuclear capability, but makes it more determined," said Pang.

"They've come at the first signs of U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, which is causing the greatest fears over security. This is a way for the U.S. to say to its regional allies, 'We're not going to leave you high and dry' in the face of growing Iranian aggression," said Pang.

The potential for unease remains, even between those countries that have benefited from the U.S.'s largesse and current round of deals. Fears have been expressed by Israel at the Saudi acquisition of "jdam" satellite guided missiles, bringing the Saudis closer to parity when it comes to the hi-tech weaponry in their arsenal.

At a recent hearing by the U.S. House Foreign Affairs sub-committee on the $20 billion deal to Saudi Arabia, concerns were raised over just how much the sale of missiles to Middle Eastern states guarantees their recipients stability and counters Iran's hard-line policies.

Military aid and weapons deals in tacit exchange for support do not always guarantee stability and influence; weapons sold by the U.S. to Iran before the 1979 revolution and later to Saddam Hussein's regime were used for means other than upholding democracy.

Pang however thinks that the likelihood of any "blowback" -- weapons being used against friendly states - is remote.

"Saudi Arabia, maybe not explicitly, has always indicated that its main threat is not Israel, but Iran's growing power in the region," says Pang.

Beyond the immediate deals is the larger question of just how effective the sale of fighter planes are in countering threats that operate within states. Sectarian violence in Iraq and attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon show that the balance of power in the region is affected by more than national armies.

"There is a feeling among Hamas is that Iran will be attacked by the U.S. and Israel," says Robertson, and the consequences could be Iran retaliating by using its allies, Hamas and Syria.

"One theory goes that if you give states, like Israel, satellite-guided missiles they have the ability to counter Iran's nuclear threat, so can then spend more time focusing on asymmetric threats like Hezbollah and Hamas. You may or may not find that convincing," said Pang.





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheCow
Stranger

Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 4,790
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7450651 - 09/25/07 05:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"I am hopeful that just as the Palestinian nation continued its struggle for the past ten years, it will continue to maintain its awareness and vigilance. This phase is going to be short-lived. If we put it behind us successfully, God willing, it will pave the way for the annihilation of the Zionist regime and it will be a downhill route.
"

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4164

Here is a transcript of a speech in which he clearly wants the annihilation of Israel given at the World Without Zionism Conference

But by all means, go on and be coy and cute by changing the meaning of his words if thats your bag.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7451195 - 09/25/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Disco Cat said:
Who cares? I only talked about whether it was a laughable statement in view of his culture vs US'. And you should have typed instead because of said comparative lack of homosexuals.




Precisely, comparative lack of homosexuals due to Iranian persecution of homosexuality; which, interestingly enough, is what the question pertained to. He also followed the statement "like in America" with " In Iran we don’t have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you that we have it.". The phenomenon in question, of course, being that of homosexuality, in general.

The conclusion that he stated that Iranian does not have the phenomenon of homosexuality is an entirely reasonable one. The reference to America was not saying that America has homosexuality differently - homosexuality is homosexuality. He was saying that America has sexuality, whereas Iran does not.

So, clearly, it is laughable, considering how homosexuality is a phenomenon apparent in Iranian culture, despite Iranian attempts at persecuting homosexuals.

Quote:


Obviously. Do some homework. To give you a nudge in the right direction, here is the exact quote:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."





It is interesting that the Iranian news source would perpetuate a clear mistranslation like that. :strokebeard:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7452544 - 09/25/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously you guys are plain dull, or want to play the fool.

TheCow clearly doesn't know what Zionism is and thought that by calling for its abolishment Ahmadinejad was calling for Israeli anihilation.

fireworks_god clearly enjoys living in denial and even when given Ahmadinejad's exact (please see exact in the dictionary for further clarification) farsi words still can't think past this intentionally wrongful English translation, and I guess isn't sensible enough to figure out the possibilites of a Google + Ahmadinejad's words combination.

And NO that link is not an Iranian news outlet, it is an English translation made by, and provided on, an extremely biased website run by a third party outside of Iran (London, to be exact), of a news article that was originally reported by Iran's ISNA and which can be viewed here.

I doubt it's stupidity that keeps you from noticing this, so why?


Edited by Disco Cat (09/26/07 02:08 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLocus
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/11/04
Posts: 6,112
Last seen: 2 years, 9 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7453282 - 09/25/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you are an idiot


--------------------

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



~~~*Dosis sola facit venenum*~~~

*Check my profile to listen to my music* :smile:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Locus]
    #7453303 - 09/25/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

...Said the idiot.

Nice, but do you have an actual worthwhile thought passing through your head? If so, let's hear it, try and squeeze it out. What topic is your brain fart even in regards to?


Edited by Disco Cat (09/25/07 08:29 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 18 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Locus]
    #7453356 - 09/25/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Locus, calling another member an idiot is flaming, and violates forum rules. This is your official warning. Next violation will result in a ban.


Phred


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: TheCow]
    #7454392 - 09/26/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

IranFocus.com, is owned and operated by Mohammad Hanif Jazayeri, a member of MKO (Moshood Kashimawo Olawale Abiola [The People's Mujahedin of Iran]), which is an Islamic Socialist organization that advocates the overthrow of Iran's current government.

"The PMOI (MKO) is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, European Union, and Iran." -(wikipedia)

Mohammad Hanif Jazayeri also has a personal grudge against Iran's government, claiming they killed his father.

Looking at the date of the article on IranFocus.com it seems clear that they are the originators of the intentionally misleading line "wiped off the map." That's an important piece of information right there.


I know the issue of the validity of the line "wiped off the map" should already be long over, understood to be lying propaganda, but some of you guys can be pretty stubborn against facing the facts. I don't know if it's a pride thing, a living in the US thing, or an intelligence thing, but it has to stop, lest another "Iraq" or "Bush" happens.


I've also come across this informative article, written only 2 months before the "wiped off the map" line came out, that points out IranFocus.com to be a pure propaganda site.


---------------------------------------------------------

MadeUpStories.com - The MKO propaganda machine


August 1, 2005
iranian.com

Over the past few years, influential officials in the American government have utilized information received by news agencies associated with the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO) in order to persuade the American government that Iran poses a security threat to American interests. The end sum of these objectives is to force a military confrontation between the two governments, wherein MKO confidants and proxy organizations would replace existing political structures in Iran.

In order to accomplish this task the MKO is engaged in an intensive campaign to force governments to remove their terrorist label in order to gain both political influence and financial access to their frozen funds. Part of this agenda is the creation of various websites, which disseminate propaganda favorable to the MKO. In whole there are two messages sent by MKO proxy sites:

1) The Iranian government is in a constant state of war with America, and it will take any opportunity to launch an attack against the US; and,

2) The MKO and associated political bodies, are legitimate opposition movements, as opposed to a terrorist group, and the "democratic alternative" to the Iranian regime.

Instrumental to MKO’s propaganda campaign, are websites which serve as "news agencies" with ties to the MKO. Iranfocus.com, Iranterror.com and various other websites continue to relay information with questionable validity while exporting MKO propaganda, such as advocating the MKO as Iran’s only legitimate democratic alternative. Information from these sites are distributed on major online news sources, such as Google news. As such, these websites, which are actually vehicle of political propaganda for a terrorist organization, are mistaken as legitimate news sources with viable information

Evidence of these effects can already be seen by the MKO’s effectiveness in persuading mass news agencies to publish stories advocating that newly elected President Ahmadinejad was pictured directly involved in the 1979 hostage. A picture of a lean bearded Iranian holding a hostage was shown on the website Iranfocus.net, a "news" agency with ties to the MKO, to depict Ahmadinejad’s involvement. Although the allegations were quashed less than a week later (the man pictured was identified as Taghi Mohammadi), the public attention it was able to garner forced the Bush administration to establish a commission evaluating Ahmadinejad’s role in the hostage crisis.

That being said there's a variety of reasons to view the MKO news agencies and similar modules as instruments of propaganda as opposed to instruments of news.

First, the organization is a terrorist group under both US and European law. The State Department continues to list the MKO as a terrorist group. Although MKO agents have claimed that the inclusion was part of Clinton's appeal to the reformist government in Iran, the argument is no longer cogent in light of the fact that during Bush's 5 years in office he has yet to remove the MKO as a terrorist group despite significant political pressure by various neo-conservatives (this includes Daniel Pipes who currently has a chair with the US Institute of Peace) and Republican representatives.

Not only were the MKO re-designated as a terrorist group under executive order by Bush on November 2, 2001, but the President used the MKO as an example of Saddam’s support for terrorism during the drive up to the Iraqi war when stating: "Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians."

Second, the MKO proganda sites continuously misinform the public about events and issues in Iran. For example, both Iranfocus.com and Iranterror.com have stated that no Mojahedin member has targeted Americans or Europeans figures during acts of terrorism. These arguments are clearly false in light of the following:

- In 1973, the MKO assassinated Lt. Col. Lewis Hawkins, a U.S. military advisor in Iran.

- In 1975, MKO members shot and killed two U.S. Air force officers in Tehran and attacked a U.S. Embassy van in Tehran resulted in the death of a local employee.

- In 1976, the MKO assassinated three American employees of Rockwell International working in Iran.

- In 1979, the MKO openly supported the holding of US hostages until 1981 when they began directing their attention to Khomeini.

Evidence of MKO propaganda in Iran Focus is also apparent when we compare their report to a report by the Washington Times concerning a recent MKO event. An Iran Focus report indicates that there were thousands of participants, while the Times only reports 300. Similarly, when reporting on a MKO protest in Berlin, Iran Focus reported that over 40,000 participants were in attendance. According to the Council on Foreign Relations, the MKO only has 10,000 members and supporters worldwide.

Lastly, no terrorist organization should be excused for murders committed or tolerated under their authority. MKO leaders were directly engaged in past abuses against American soldiers and citizens during the late 1980s and Iranian citizens and officials in the 1990s. We would never expect the American government to excuse Osama bin Laden 30 years after 9/11 for not engaging in any further attacks against Americans, nor should such immunity be given to MKO officials.

There is no statute of limitations against murderers or conspirators to murder, nor is there one for terrorists and those who conspire with terrorists. Even were it that the MKO reserved its terrorist attacks for Iranian rather than American or British targets it is important to remember that terrorism anywhere is terrorism everywhere regardless of our relationship with its targets.

Using propaganda by a terrorist group, which is distrusted by Iranians everywhere because of their cooperation with Saddam Hussein’s regime during the Iran-Iraq war, does not more to benefit the Iranian government rather then its true democratic opposition. In particular, if American officials lend an ear to the MKO, the Iranian government will use this relationship as a method to create anti-US sentiment in Iran.

Iranfocus.com and Iranterror.com should not be used as a source of "alternative information." There's nothing "alternative" about propaganda, regardless if it addresses the same human rights issues which most Iranians are concerned with for "the most dangerous untruths are truths slightly distorted."

One should finally note that opposition to the MKO, or hardline monarchists, does not brand one as an apologist or IRI-supporter. As Congressman Bob Ney rightfully stated, "Opposition to the Mojahedin is not the same as support for the regime in Iran." Rather this opposition to the MKO is based on sincere concerns that political propaganda is being utilized by one organization in order to defeat the internal movement for democracy and human rights. Democracy in Iran should be based on truth, justice and reconciliation, not fabrications and exaggeration by terrorist organizations.

About:
Nema Milaninia is a law student in Southern California and owner of the weblog Iranian Truth.

-------------------------------------------------------


I dedicate this post to all the poor souls who cry "idiot" when faced with reality. May they one day pull their heads out of the sand and see.


Edited by Disco Cat (09/26/07 03:41 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7454445 - 09/26/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

After all, it probably isn't an accepted lifestyle in Iran, and so according to his best knowledge there would be no gays in Iran.

Yeah, and there are no oppressed women in Iran either. I mean, sure, uppity women get 10 lashes of the whip and three years in prison, but hey, they clearly deserve it.

I know this because whip lashing, beheading, and stoning women for saying the wrong thing is an accepted lifestyle in Iran.

So yeah, there are no oppressed women in Iran. :rolleyes:


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7454451 - 09/26/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This 16 year old gay Iranian kid was hanged by Ahmadinejad's regime. He was imprisoned for over a year, tortured to get a confession, and lashed with a whip over 200 times first. Let's all keep defending this monster.



In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.

Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran “Homosexuality is illegal, those charged are given a choice of four death styles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

According to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979. Last August, a 16 year old girl was hanged for 'acts incompatible with chastity.'


about.com


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekotik
fuckingsuperhero
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/29/04
Posts: 3,531
Last seen: 4 years, 24 days
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7454474 - 09/26/07 05:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that's pretty sick and barbaric, and there is really no reasonable explanation for that whatsoever. I can't even think of an analogy in the US.


--------------------
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7456488 - 09/26/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
This 16 year old gay Iranian kid was hanged by Ahmadinejad's regime. He was imprisoned for over a year, tortured to get a confession, and lashed with a whip over 200 times first. Let's all keep defending this monster.



In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.

Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran “Homosexuality is illegal, those charged are given a choice of four death styles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

According to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979. Last August, a 16 year old girl was hanged for 'acts incompatible with chastity.'


about.com




WRONG

Those two teenager was hanged for raping a younger boy, aged 8, I believe.

Let's all keep reciting propaganda that's been spread around.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: kotik]
    #7456568 - 09/26/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

kotik said:
that's pretty sick and barbaric, and there is really no reasonable explanation for that whatsoever. I can't even think of an analogy in the US.




Ignoring the fact that they weren't hanged for homosexuality, but rape, AND ignoring the fact that they were never tortured to confess * ... I can think of a perfect analogy for their anti-gay understanding. 30 years ago homosexuality in the US was labelled a disease. Just 15 years ago, in the US and Canada, homosexuality was nowhere near as socially acceptable as it is today. To laugh at Ahmadinejad's words is to be blind to our own nations' recent attitudes (which still continues among political leaders), and to be hypocritical. In essence, I think it's very stupid, and an emotional, rather than intellectual, reaction.


* Outrage, the Gay Rights group merely added "probably under torture" to their demonifying synopsis and Diploid presented it as if fact.


By the way, Diploid picked up this information from About.com, while it originally came from a UK website called Outrage.com, which is a gay rights site, belonging to the gay rights pressure group Outrage!.


They weren't hanged for homosexuality (they were hanged for rape), and no torture happened.




Look and the propaganda fly. Diploid quoted a gay rights group's propaganda, and added his own to it by stating that they were tortured as a fact.

You guy need better research and integrity standards, otherwise this forum with be nothing more than a brainwashing station.


Edited by Disco Cat (09/26/07 05:16 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7456606 - 09/26/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

...the boys were arrested about a year and couple of months before the execution. On the day of their arrest, five boys were fondling each other in a semi-public area. Their ages were 13, 14, 15, 15 (Mahmoud), and 17 (Ayaz). These are all boys that knew each other, and had homosexual relations with each other (perhaps for years).

“A woman called her civilian police husband who then tried to arrest them all (with the help of civilians), but only Ayaz, Mahmoud and a 13 year old boy were caught.

“Because the age of consent for men in Iran is 15, the 13 year old boy is automatically then classified raped by then 15 year old Mahmoud and 17 year old Ayaz. So, in the eyes of the Iranian law, that boy was raped. Whether the other boys were a few years older or not is not even a question, not to mention whether he (the 13 year old) was a willing participant. Because the issue is homosexuality, it even carries a harsher sentence.

The father of the 13 year old boy claimed his son was raped because in the conservative society of Iran it is much better to have a heterosexual raped son than a homosexual willing participant. Everyone and anyone from the east can identify with this.

Concerning their crimes: at first it was claimed that they committed one rape and were child molesters, then that they had committed several rapes. By the autumn of 2005, the supporters of the regime were spreading rumours that they were serial child killers.


petertatchell.net


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7456644 - 09/26/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So you realize that you've now indicted the civillians of Iran, and freed Ahmadinejad from blame?
Why did you place the blame on their President when clearly this was the orchestration of the populace? I guess that makes the common people of Iran monsets instead now.

And so in the end, they were hanged for multiple accounts of rape and child molestation.
Did whoever dictated their sentence know these were false allegations? I don't know, neither do you... but false sentences get carried out in the US too, you know.

So in the end, this is a shitty situation, and one that has nothing to do with Ahmadinejad.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleaDoS
freedom lover
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 7,590
Loc: land of the free
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7457379 - 09/26/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Lol that sounds like a childish insult or something.

Can't believe he even said that.

"well at least in iran we dont have queers like america does!!!"


--------------------
"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: aDoS]
    #7457460 - 09/26/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He didn't say that, where the hell did you read that?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7457535 - 09/26/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:

Precisely, comparative lack of homosexuals due to Iranian persecution of homosexuality; which, interestingly enough, is what the question pertained to. He also followed the statement "like in America" with " In Iran we don’t have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you that we have it.". The phenomenon in question, of course, being that of homosexuality, in general.

The conclusion that he stated that Iranian does not have the phenomenon of homosexuality is an entirely reasonable one. The reference to America was not saying that America has homosexuality differently - homosexuality is homosexuality. He was saying that America has sexuality, whereas Iran does not.

So, clearly, it is laughable, considering how homosexuality is a phenomenon apparent in Iranian culture, despite Iranian attempts at persecuting homosexuals.





"An Iranian official later told CNN Ahmadinejad meant to say Iran simply doesn't have as many homosexuals as there are in the United States" - CNN


I'm seeing a pattern here, with my application of reasoning and logical thought providing accurate conclusions.


Edited by Disco Cat (09/26/07 09:11 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleaDoS
freedom lover
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 7,590
Loc: land of the free
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7457634 - 09/26/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

he didn't say that...i was exaggerating


--------------------
"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlined33p
Welcome to Violence

Registered: 07/12/03
Posts: 5,381
Loc: the shores of Tripoli
Last seen: 10 years, 8 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: aDoS]
    #7459231 - 09/27/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The hard on for Aquamenmydad that a few of you posters have is amusing. It's disgusting and absurd, but good comedy nonetheless.


--------------------
I'm a nihilist. Lets be friends.

bang bang


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekriminalelement
"jesus wept."
Female User Gallery


Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 1,201
Loc: Ay! los popos estan aqui!
Last seen: 13 years, 6 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: d33p]
    #7460389 - 09/27/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There is a great deal of homosexuality in Iran. The real issue, actually, is anthropological in nature.

I've read a lot of ethnographies involving cultures that make a habit of cloistering women and oppressing their sexuality. In every single case, from Papau New Guinea to medieval Europe to ancient Greece to repressive Muslim regimes, men are EXTREMELY sexually frustrated. The women are trapped in their homes and carefully watched. This creates an economic problem. There is a severe lack of Punani resources in the country. All current evidence suggests that many Muslim nations are thoroughly engaged in homosexual activity, even when those people might not be homosexuals. This is taken from "Islam's love-hate relationship with homosexuality" at <a href http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={DE9BC115-7388-46A3-8ED9-813BD71AEA25}
</a>
In Moslem nations, the suppression of liaison between men and women outside prearranged wedlock has produced frustrated sexual tension that has sought and found release in homosexual intercourse through the centuries. Those denied access to licit sexuality have sought and obtained outlets that have produced chronic contradiction between normative morality and social realities. Male and female prostitution and same-sex practices — including abuse of young boys by their older male relatives — have been rampant in Islamic societies from the medieval to the modern period. It should be emphasized that those societies stress a distinction between the sexual act itself, which was deemed acceptable, and emotional attachment, which was unpardonable:

“Sexual relations in Middle Eastern societies have historically articulated social hierarchies, that is, dominant and subordinate social positions: adult men on top; women, boys and slaves below (8).”

A Moslem who is the active partner in sexual relations with other men is not considered a “homosexual” (the word has no pre-modern Arabic equivalent); quite the contrary, his sexual domination of another man may even confer a status of hyper-masculinity. He may use other men as substitutes for women, and at the same time have great contempt for them. This depraved view of sex, common in mainstream Moslem societies, is commonly found in the West only in prisons. In all cases it is the presence of love, affection, or equality among sexual partners that is intolerable. Equality in sexual relations is unimaginable in Islam, whether heterosexual or homosexual. Sex in Islamic societies has never been about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male’s achievement of pleasure through domination.

Historically, this state of affairs was not concealed from Western observers who were fascinated, shocked, and often attracted by the outward appearances of rampant, barely concealed pederasty.

Conclusion: let the women fuck who they want, maybe there won't be so many homosexuals in Iran.


--------------------
While there is a lower class, I am in it
While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

Eugene V Debs


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7579532 - 10/31/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I know the discussion's a bit old, but I've had this information bookmarked for awhile with the intention of posting it, and it is useful info.

The synopsis is that no cases of execution for homosexuality have occured since Ahmadinejad became President in August 2005, and an official reaffirmation that Ahmadinejad's Columbia University comment was in fact a comparison is included.

------------------------------------------------------------------

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Application_of_laws

According to The Boroumand Foundation, there are records of at least 107 executions with charges related to homosexuality between 1979 and 1990. According to Amnesty International, at least 5 people convicted of "homosexual tendencies", three men and two women, were executed in January 1990, as a result of the Iranian government's policy of calling for the execution of those who practice homosexuality. In April 1992, Dr. Ali Mozafarian, a Sunni Muslim leader in the Fars province (Southern Iran), was executed in Shiraz after being convicted on charges of espionage, adultery, and sodomy. His videotaped confession was broadcast on television in Shiraz and in the streets of Kazerun and Lar.
On March 14, 1994, dissident writer Ali Akbar Saidi Sirjani was charged with offences ranging from espionage to homosexual improprieties.
On November, 12 1995, by the verdict of the eighth judicial branch of Hamadan and the confirmation of the Supreme Court of Iran, Mehdi Barazandeh, otherwise known as Safa Ali Shah Hamadani, was condemned to death. The judicial authorities announced that Barazandeh's crimes were repeated acts of adultery and "the obscene act of sodomy." The court's decree was carried out by stoning Barazandeh. Barazandeh belonged to the Khaksarieh Sect of Dervishes. (Islamic Republic Newspaper - November 14th 1995 + reported in Homan's magazine June, 10 1996).
The execution of Ali Sharifi was reported in Hamadan by the Washington Blade in 1998. Sharifi was hanged for having gay sex, adultery, drinking alcohol, and dealing drugs.
In 2005, two Iranian teenagers, Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni, were both sentenced to death for what Iranian reports indicated was the rape of the thirteen-year old boy. However, some groups and activists, such as British activist Peter Tatchell, claimed based on incomplete press reports that they were executed for consensual gay sex. Human Rights Watch has noted that there is insufficient evidence to make a final determination in the case, but that no reliable reports suggest that the two were executed for consensual sex. Paula Ettelbrick, director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, said "It was not a gay case," taking issue with the Human Rights Campaign’s statement that was quick to condemn the execution as anti-gay. "We would welcome HRC’s involvement in demanding that our government speak out on human rights violations. It was just the wrong case,” she said.

It appears that reports claiming the boys were executed for being gay originated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an opposition group that is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. Accounts of the executions on gay news Web sites referenced reports by the group and its English language news site, www.iranfocus.com. (That's the same site where the "Wipe Israel off the map" line originated, and which has been posted about here)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"The last person known with reasonable certainty to have been sentenced to execution in Iran for consensual homosexual conduct was in March 2005" - Human Rights Watch, NYC
Whether the sentence has been carried out is unknown.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA05294620071010

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran’s president was misrepresented by Western media when he was quoted saying there were no gays in Iran, and actually meant there were not so many as in the United States, a presidential aide said on Wednesday.
“What Ahmadinejad said was not a political answer. He said that, compared to American society, we don’t have many homosexuals,” presidential media adviser Mohammad Kalhor said.
Kalhor told Reuters that because of historical, religious and cultural differences homosexuality was less common in Iran and the Islamic world than in the West.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7580990 - 10/31/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You keep dancing around the fact that Ahmadinejad is the leader of a government that executes children.

Keep digging around for ways to defend him. If there is such a thing as karma, you'll share a ride with him some day. :thumbdown:


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7582802 - 11/01/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well if there's such a thing as karma, then you'll be condemned the first time you stand up for the facts. :mad2: :thumbdown: yourself.
Condemning me because your case has been shot to hell is is just as bad as condemning kids for being homosexual.

What I'm doing is actually what is sometimes referred to as "facing the issue head on." You see, If a person's government (which would probably be defined by the government that exists while that person is in control) has in fact not executed any children, then "a government that executes children" really is not an applicable description, not even a little. And in order for Ahmadinejad to be a valid target of animosity in this matter, there has to be a connection of responsibility to him for the sentencing. As he has been responsible for no gay child's execution, you're making a pretty flimsy case.

What is happening here, is that he hasn't executed any children, and so I'm saying it because even if it isn't the "right" thing to do in your eyes, it is still the truthful thing to do. And if he did execute them, I wouldn't have any trouble saying it because I'm not on a mission to defend him, merely to correct the lies you've pushed.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7582853 - 11/01/07 02:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

has in fact not executed any children



Yep, you got me. Those pics were photoshopped. :flowstone:


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7582864 - 11/01/07 02:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No, flowstone, you got yourself.

They were sentenced/executed March/July 2005, Ahmadinejad became President August 2005.


Also, concerning that case...

Quote:

Paula Ettelbrick, director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, said "It was not a gay case," taking issue with the Human Rights Campaign’s statement that was quick to condemn the execution as anti-gay.
"We would welcome HRC’s involvement in demanding that our government speak out on human rights violations. It was just the wrong case,” she said.






Maybe things are clearer for you now, and hopefully you can understand why I've taken issue with your argument against Ahmadinejad on this subject.



Edited by Disco Cat (11/01/07 02:45 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7582875 - 11/01/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Also, concerning that case...

You're missing the point. Gay nor not, Iran hangs kids. How the fuck can you defend that?

They were executed March 2005, Ahmadinejad became President August 2005.

You can't really be so dense as to think that these types of atrocities have suddenly stopped now that Ahmadinejad is running the show. Then again, maybe you can be. :shrug:


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7583061 - 11/01/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No, that has never been the point at all at any time in this thread, not even sort of. Instead of just saying "oops," you're trying to divert attention away from your mistake.

Since you've missed your own point, I'll remind you of it: Ahmadinejad is a monster who hangs kids for being gay.
But as it turns out, they were not hanged for being gay, and neither was Ahmadinejad President when they were hanged.


Quote:

You can't really be so dense as to think that these types of atrocities have suddenly stopped now that Ahmadinejad is running the show.



"The last person known with reasonable certainty to have been sentenced to execution in Iran for consensual homosexual conduct was in March 2005"

Maybe you should write Reality a letter, telling it off for opposing the things you say. Don't expect too much to come of it tho.

Of course, I don't know how much credit I'd give to Ahmadinejad for the difference, just as I didn't attribute the sentencing to him in the first place, as Sharia law isn't his doing.
But if you were holding Ahmadinejad responsible for them, as Iran's President, then you would likewise also have to associate the responsibility of their cessation to him.

Being willing to make up reasons to hate somebody isn't a desirable trait, you know.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7583255 - 11/01/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But as it turns out, they were not hanged for being gay

They were according to the articles I quoted a few posts back. It's all over Google for fuck's sake. There are hundreds of articles all supporting this. You quote one lady, Paula Ettelbrick of IGLHRC refuting this and I can't even find an attribution for that quote anywhere on the IGLHRC web. And the reference (#12) in the Wiki link where you got this doesn't contain that quote. You wouldn't happen to have a link to the IGLHRC page where she says this would you?

Here are some of mine, all independent, credible sources supporting what I've said, and there are HUNDREDS more:

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2943

http://www.omct.org/index.php?id=CHL&lang=eng&actualPageNumber=1&articleSet=Press&articleId=5630&PHPSESSID=54e75a87e3.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/07/21/912/61967

But they must be wrong. There are no gays in Iran. Your buddy said so. :rolleyes:

and neither was Ahmadinejad President when they were hanged.

He's president now, and the retarded fundamentalist Muslim laws that killed those kids are still in effect under his watch. And it is STILL HAPPENING. See below.

Ahmadinejad became President August 2005.

The following kids have been executed in Iran since then:

http://www.stopchildexecutions.com/minors_executed.aspx

Name unknown 12 September 2005
Rostam Tajik 10 December 2005
Majid Segound 13 May 2006
Sattar September 2006
Morteza M 7 November 2006
Naser Batmani December 2006
Mohammad Mousavi 22 April 2007
Saeed Kamberzai 28 May 2007

There are more, but since your friend the coward is afraid of the truth, his state-controlled media doesn't report on executions of children because the last time they did, the Iranian Parliament got really pissed off at them and told them they better not do it again.

According to Amnesty International, 20 kids have been executed in Iran since your buddy took over, TWO OF THEM THIS YEAR! Read the complete list at this link:

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-children-stats-eng

Here's a pic of the 17 year old tortured into confessing, then executed by your buddy's regime in May of THIS YEAR! Take a good look at him and tell me again how Iran doesn't execute kids:



The Amnesty International report on his execution is here:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130342007

Keep burying your head in the sand.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7583311 - 11/01/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'd like to see stats on how many people in Iran were executed for becoming Christian


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelonestar2004
Live to party,work to affordit.
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 8,978
Loc: South Texas
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7584700 - 11/01/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I find it interesting when "progressive' folks defend Islam. WTF

On sharia law day they would be the first to be hung or their throat slit....


Its like they always want to be either slaves or slave masters.


--------------------
America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7584862 - 11/01/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think it should be quite clear by now that there is nothing "progressive" about EP. Nor is he/she peaceable. By the way, what gave liberal loons the right to be labeled progressive. I find them to be incredibly regressive in their thinking. They have failed to learn that socialism is a failure in spite of decades of evidence. Fantasists.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7585992 - 11/01/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're actually still going to argue that they were hanged for being gay? Talk about going two steps back... Last night you said it didn't matter, which was contradictory to your stance before that. So quite literally, two steps back... all because you're afraid to say "oops." Next time save the "dancing around" analogy for yourself.


Quote:

Diploid said:
Here are some of mine, all independent, credible sources supporting what I've said



Lol, you used Iranfocus.com as a source, and it even says in its article that they were arrested for rape with a weapon. Take into account that this website was thoroughly discredited on the first page of this thread and you're either being a conniver or have no memory.

You next source contradicts your first and says this:
"According to the information received from reliable sources [lol?], the sole reason for the hangings is their confessions, obtained through torture, that they were involved in homosexual sex."
Now we know not to count your claims of "credible" sources as being credible.


Your third link has no information on their sentencing, but links to a personal blog in which the writer uses IranFocus.com as its source. Do you see the problem with using multiple "sources" that in fact just reference themselves? Their other source is the Gay Rights groups Outrage!, whose account and motives were contested on the first page of this thread.

Not really important, but this is what Wiki's notes concerning the Outrage! report:
"However, some groups and activists, such as British activist Peter Tatchell (Outrage!), claimed based on incomplete press reports that they were executed for consensual gay sex."
"Human Rights Watch has noted that there is insufficient evidence to make a final determination in the case, but that no reliable reports suggest that the two were executed for consensual sex."

Quote:

You quote one lady, Paula Ettelbrick of IGLHRC refuting this and I can't even find an attribution for that quote anywhere on the IGLHRC web. And the reference (#12) in the Wiki link where you got this doesn't contain that quote. You wouldn't happen to have a link to the IGLHRC page where she says this would you?



It's actually link [10] on Wiki. A google search also brings it up.

That relevant article (which appears on a pro-gay site) also says:
"It appears that reports claiming the boys were executed for being gay originated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an opposition group that is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. Accounts of the executions on gay news Web sites referenced reports by the group and its English language news site, www.iranfocus.com"
Do you remember about IranFocus this time around? You probably don't, so here's the link.


Quote:

But they must be wrong. There are no gays in Iran. Your buddy said so. :rolleyes:



You need to re-read this thread, or at least a few posts back. And in regards to what is being discussed here, it would not matter whether he said that or not, because the invalidity of your sources and argument doesn't rest in his comment at Columbia University, but rather in, well, the invalidity of your sources.


Quote:

The following kids have been executed in Iran since then:

http://www.stopchildexecutions.com/minors_executed.aspx

Name unknown 12 September 2005
Rostam Tajik 10 December 2005
Majid Segound 13 May 2006
Sattar September 2006
Morteza M 7 November 2006
Naser Batmani December 2006
Mohammad Mousavi 22 April 2007
Saeed Kamberzai 28 May 2007





Interestingly, 90% of these 17-and-ups were executed for murder. Not that that makes it right. Capitol punishment is equally barbaric at all times, regardless of age. The United States is very guilty in this regard. In fact, up until 2005, the United States was the world leader in the execution of child offenders. It was only in March 2005 that the US Supreme Court, declared the execution of juvenile offenders unconstitutional. However, according to Wiki, "State laws have not been updated to conform with this decision. Under the US system, unconstitutional laws do not need to be repealed, but are instead held to be unenforceable."

I assume you hold that all US Presidents who have presided during a time of child executions are monsters. Really tho, in Iran it isn't Ahmadinejad's call. It has to go through Parliament, then the Guardian Council. If it makes it this far, then Ahmadinejad has the chance to sign the bill.

Actually, a bill has recently been submitted to Iran's parliament to move the age at which the death sentence can be applied to someone to 18. Parliament passed an identical bill 3 or 4 years ago, but the Guardian Council rejected it. The Guardian Council is appointed by the Supreme Leader. Ahmadinejad can only sign a bill that is passed by both Parliament and the Guardian Council.


Quote:

According to Amnesty International, 20 kids have been executed in Iran since your buddy took over, TWO OF THEM THIS YEAR!



Ummm, according to your own link, Amnesty international, in reality, claims 24 executions of child offenders in Iran since 1990. So does Child Rights Information Network.

CRIN states a "notable decrease in juvenile executions" since 2005, which most probably refers to a decrease in sentencing of juveniles for execution.

Quote:

There are probably more, but since your friend the coward is afraid of the truth, his state-controlled media doesn't report these things because the last time they did, the Iranian Parliament got really pissed off at them and told them they better not do it again.



Your injection of drama and lies to your posts is slightly humorous, but overall, pathetic. No, they did not tell them they better not do it again, and no, Iran's Parliament did not "get really pissed off at them." The source for this is once again IranFocus.com, and even they don't say the same thing as you. Tell me where you got this "told them they better not do it again" part from, I'd like the laugh.

Quote:

tell me again how Iran doesn't execute kids



You're right, I shouldn't have commented on that since it wasn't the topic of discussion, altho the paragraph I said this in was tying it back to Ahmadinejad being responsible for hanging gays, as the conclusion shows:
"As he has been responsible for no gay child's execution, you're making a pretty flimsy case."

The only coward whose afraid of the truth that I see here is you.


Edited by Disco Cat (11/01/07 11:03 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7586063 - 11/01/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not that that makes it right.

BINGO! You're finally catching on. Your buddy's regime executes children. Dozens of them since he came to power according to Amnesty International.


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7586326 - 11/02/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps you are really this unaware or forgetful, but the Death Sentence for minors or otherwise (which to me is the same thing), has never been the object of discussion, and if it had been we'd have never been discussing in the first place, because that conclusion is not contested by me.

Again, you lie with the Amnesty International stats - something you seem to be able to do far too easily - even increasing the claimed number from the last time. 9 youth offenders have been hanged since Ahmadinejad became President, however, most or all of these were sentenced before he was elected.
You also connive by ignoring the fact, which has been pointed out, that the sentecing of minors is not in Ahmadinejad's hands, nor is the law that allows them to be sentenced. A bill to change this has been introduced, but must be passed by the Guardian Council, which is 100% out of Ahmadinejad's reach.

To bring this all home, Ahmadinejad said something that sparked a reaction at Columbia University, which he was visiting to promote discussion between his country and the US amidst concerns over Iran's nuclear program. Regarding his comment, I pointed out what was later confirmed to be his intended message, but not before Diploid brought up a case meant to do nothing other than vilify Ahmadinejad with sentiments fitting of a witch hunt. As it turned out, the case was not at all what it was originally presented as to be here in this thread.
Much later, as an interesting addition, I provided information that says no gays have been executed since Ahmadinejad's Presidency, which should have helped separate the supposed Ahmadinejad/gay-execution-in-Iran connection, and whatever hatred that connection was used as a tool to bolster. But this only made Diploid condemn me equally with Ahmadinejad for not simply choosing to hate the people he hates, a practice which I find as immoral as execution.
After the usual refinement of bad-information the topic is suddenly supposed to have changed into whether execution is moral (an issue entirely unrelated to Ahmadinejad or homosexuals)? If we want to discuss that, we could discuss it concerning the US or one of many other countries who still practice this savage and unintelligent act. If you want to narrow it down to the execution of minors, which really is no different, then we can still discuss it concerning the US, as they have the ugliest record of this practice (in 2002 there were 80 juveniles on Death Row). But either way, this isn't the thread for it, and that isn't a subject that's holds any relevance to Ahmadinejad's comment, whether he is a monster, or homosexual persecution in Iran.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7586348 - 11/02/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

however, most or all of these were sentenced before he was elected.

A while back you said no children were executed on your buddy's watch. Now you backpedal and it's "most".

And you call ME a liar? :rofl2:


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDisco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

Registered: 09/15/00
Posts: 2,601
Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
    #7586404 - 11/02/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What I said was:
Quote:


You're right, I shouldn't have commented on that since it wasn't the topic of discussion, altho the paragraph I said this in was tying it back to Ahmadinejad being responsible for hanging gays, as the conclusion shows:
"As he has been responsible for no gay child's execution, you're making a pretty flimsy case."




Also, "Most kids" isn't a backpedal from "No kids." These two sentences are in fact dealing with two different subjects. The "No kids" refers to homosexuals who've been executed under Ahmadinejad, of which there have been none.
The "Most kids" refers to those who have nothing to do with the homosexual issue in Iran, and was a sidetract from the discussion. However, this comment refers to the fact that, of those nine 17 year olds who were hanged since 2005, most or all of them were sentenced before Ahmadinejad became President, and so are unrelated to him.

To get further into it, the Supreme Leader of Iran appoints the head of Judiciary, who then appoints the rest. Again, Ahmadinejad is not responsible for any of their rulings, and cannot appeal them.

Yes, you have lied, adding your own phrases to the articles you bring, posting largely to trigger a sentimental response of moral indignation in people against your target rather than to cause them to think and analyze. While hyping, you've severely lacked comprehension of what certain data concludes, and have not followed an appropriate path of discussion, switching topics which aren't related while arguing the same sentiments - which shows an underdevelopped ability to separate issues in your mind such as: Kids were executed in Iran = Ahmadinejad's a monster
or:
Disco Cat is refuting Ahmadinejad had gay kids executed in Iran = Disco Cat bad
These aren't rational thought proccess because the former doesn't equal the latter. A separation of the issues is needed.


Edited by Disco Cat (11/02/07 03:31 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Kratom Powder For Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   Original Sensible Seeds Feminized Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* 2 articles on Iran JesusChrist 1,013 5 10/10/04 01:34 AM
by JesusChrist
* Media Literacy and Iran FrankieJustTrypt 2,384 15 02/12/05 02:02 PM
by infidelGOD
* Iran Will Allow U.N. Inspections of Nuclear Sites Zahid 718 3 10/22/03 11:50 PM
by Zahid
* Is President Bush a Homo?? KingOftheThing 327 2 07/15/04 10:56 AM
by Learyfan
* Peace Prize Is Awarded To Iranian wingnutx 867 2 10/11/03 09:03 PM
by wingnutx
* US special forces 'inside Iran' (and 9 other middle east & asian coun tries) preparing the attacks
( 1 2 all )
CJay 3,168 36 01/18/05 04:20 PM
by Annapurna1
* Kerry would still supply Iran with nuclear fuel Great_Satan 1,607 9 10/10/04 12:12 PM
by Medley
* General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs wingnutx 1,079 18 06/14/03 05:02 PM
by hongomon

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
8,251 topic views. 0 members, 1 guests and 7 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.053 seconds spending 0.013 seconds on 14 queries.